11-12-2016 02:15 PM
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  1. billykac's Avatar
    I appreciate that Benson and company have posted a spreadsheet of recommended cables and chargers. It's a great resource.

    But, what I want to explore in this thread are accessories that we here at AC can confirm work with our Pixels at affordable price points. In some cases, Benson-approved cables have reviewers that say they just don't work for them. I want to know what this community can confirm for cables, wall supplies and car chargers that are affordable alternatives to the $35 Google charger and the $25 Google cables, and than can achieve full PD charging performance.

    I currently own two OEM Google chargers for the Pixel b/c I wanted full PD-compliance now. In time, there will be less expensive alternatives, like $18 chargers, $12 cables and the like. Some are hitting the market now.

    So, what are the fully-PD compliant cables and chargers that you own and can confirm achieve full PD-compliance resulting in rapid charging on a Pixel.

    I'll start:

    Car charger: Aukey $18
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...cUvbUpU5534036
    This is 100% verified, by me (sorry Benson), works to achieve PD-performance in my car using the OEM Google C to C cable.
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    10-30-2016 08:57 AM
  2. gabbott's Avatar

    I currently own two OEM Google chargers for the Pixel b/c I wanted full PD-compliance now. In time, there will be less expensive alternatives, like $18 chargers, $12 cables and the like. Some are hitting the market now.
    However if you need a charger and cable you'd still be paying $30. Just pointing out that the OEM charger they sell for $35 isn't that bad of a deal for a charger and cable we know is fully compliant with the Pixel.

    I like the Benson reviews because he looks at and tests things we cannot see or tell by just plugging in and charging (things like internal wiring and such). I do have my eye on that Aukey car charger because it looks like a good deal.
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    10-30-2016 09:25 AM
  3. billykac's Avatar
    However if you need a charger and cable you'd still be paying $30. Just pointing out that the OEM charger they sell for $35 isn't that bad of a deal for a charger and cable we know is fully compliant with the Pixel.

    I like the Benson reviews because he looks at and tests things we cannot see or tell by just plugging in and charging (things like internal wiring and such). I do have my eye on that Aukey car charger because it looks like a good deal.
    Agreed - that's why I bought a Google charger immediately.

    Eventually, the PD-compliant chargers will get affordable, as will the cables, and Benson's list will also eventually get updated.

    But, the Aukey car charger for instance is not on Benson's list yet, and any new Pixel owner will be thinking they have to pay nearly twice the price for the Belkin. I figured we need a way to share truly confirmed - by us - products that we can buy with confidence as they hit the market - not when Benson gets around to updating his spreadsheet.

    Personally, I am waiting for a PD-compliant cable that one of us says works on our Pixels for an affordable price.
    10-30-2016 09:36 AM
  4. gabbott's Avatar
    The belkin does come with a USB-C cable though so keep that in mind. I bought it and am using it. The Aukey doesn't, but the one thing that I really like about the Aukey is that it is a dual charger that can support other non USB-C devices/charge 2 at once.
    10-30-2016 09:42 AM
  5. sydneycooper1979's Avatar
    I've had no problems with the cables and car charger bought from Verizon.
    10-30-2016 10:21 AM
  6. tdizzel's Avatar
    I've had no problems with the cables and car charger bought from Verizon.
    Which specific cables did you get from Verizon? I get discounts on cables from them so that might be a good route for me
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    10-30-2016 10:48 AM
  7. billykac's Avatar
    Would also like to know.

    If it's these cables, it says nothing about being PD-compliant.
    https://forums.androidcentral.com/e?...token=-ydRSAvZ

    That doesn't mean they are not. Would need to hear that someone here can confirm that rapid charging is achieved with these cables.
    10-30-2016 01:00 PM
  8. sydneycooper1979's Avatar
    Which specific cables did you get from Verizon? I get discounts on cables from them so that might be a good route for me
    I bought the verizon USB A to C cable and the USB C car charger. Both Verizon branding
    10-30-2016 01:41 PM
  9. billykac's Avatar
    I bought the verizon USB A to C cable and the USB C car charger. Both Verizon branding
    And you can confirm that when you use the Verizon car charger and the USB A to C cable you achieve rapid charging status?
    If the answer is "Yes", can you please provide the URLs or product numbers?

    My understanding is that if there is a USB A connector anywhere in the mix, PD-compliance, and therefore rapid charging, will not happen. Reportedly, the USB A connector just doesn't have the wiring to support PD - so it should be a pretty binary yes/no, go/no-go based on wiring.

    This is the kind of stuff I'd like to understand about USB A, USB C, and PD specs.

    Thanks!
    10-30-2016 02:05 PM
  10. sydneycooper1979's Avatar
    And you can confirm that when you use the Verizon car charger and the USB A to C cable you achieve rapid charging status?
    If the answer is "Yes", can you please provide the URLs or product numbers?

    My understanding is that if there is a USB A connector anywhere in the mix, PD-compliance, and therefore rapid charging, will not happen. Reportedly, the USB A connector just doesn't have the wiring to support PD - so it should be a pretty binary yes/no, go/no-go based on wiring.

    This is the kind of stuff I'd like to understand about USB A, USB C, and PD specs.

    Thanks!
    Both do rapid charging. I don't have the product packaging anymore. Sorry!
    10-30-2016 02:09 PM
  11. sydneycooper1979's Avatar
    This is the brick I use and have had no problems.

    https://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-Charg...cUvbUpU5534676
    10-30-2016 02:10 PM
  12. billykac's Avatar
    Both do rapid charging. I don't have the product packaging anymore. Sorry!
    Thanks for that and I understand about the packaging.

    To the degree we can, it would be great to have exact product info that us Pixels owners, and new owners to come, can order and know that full PD rapid charging is ensured. So, I'll wait to list Verizon's cables as confirmed, as they have cables for sale in-store and on-line and who knows, they may be different.
    10-31-2016 06:38 AM
  13. billykac's Avatar
    This is the brick I use and have had no problems.

    https://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-Charg...cUvbUpU5536126
    Geez...
    This product has no cited PD capabilities whatsoever (as far as I can tell) and it provides full rapid charging on a Pixel? As in the Pixel says "Charging Rapidly" on the bottom of the screen when plugged in?

    If so, maybe this is too random a task to try to nail-down!
    10-31-2016 06:42 AM
  14. sydneycooper1979's Avatar
    Geez...
    This product has no cited PD capabilities whatsoever (as far as I can tell) and it provides full rapid charging on a Pixel? As in the Pixel says "Charging Rapidly" on the bottom of the screen when plugged in?

    If so, maybe this is too random a task to try to nail-down!
    Yes the pixel says rapid charging at the bottom when it's plugged in.
    10-31-2016 06:57 AM
  15. billykac's Avatar
    I've asked for some specific forum members who understand PD-spec to weigh-in on this.
    It would be great for Pixel owners to be able to navigate this PD-spec landscape in a consistent manner.
    So far, I've seen that we can:

    - Pay $30 for a C to C PD compliant cable (it says so, and Benson agrees) and it provides full rapid charging every time.
    - Pay $10 for a non-PD compliant wall charger that an owner reports provides PD compliant rapid charging.
    - Pay $22 for a C to C PD compliant cable (it says so, Benson hasn't reviewed it yet) and some owners complain that is does not provide rapid charging, some do.

    This is a mess.
    Maybe it's time to punt on providing product-specific guidance so early in the cycle?
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    10-31-2016 07:52 AM
  16. gabbott's Avatar
    You can't use rapid charging as an indicator of USB PD. If it's like the Nexus phones last year they indicate rapid charging if the phone is receiving at least a certain wattage. So there is a variance to rapid charging. Even a charger that doesn't output a full 3A by 5V can show the phone as rapid charging.

    For example it's possible to use a USB A charger which can do up to 2.4A and have the phone report it's charging rapidly. So that would be a wattage of 12W. So that would charge a little slower than a charger that provides 3A by 5V or a USB PD adapter that does 2A by 9V. But they are all considered rapid charging by the phone.
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    10-31-2016 08:31 AM
  17. 1213 1213's Avatar
    Are there really so many dodgy chargers on the market? Is this something that you guys think will eventually be phased out? Or would the hardware in phones make it a non-issue through safety precautions?
    10-31-2016 09:03 AM
  18. billykac's Avatar
    You can't use rapid charging as an indicator of USB PD. If it's like the Nexus phones last year they indicate rapid charging if the phone is receiving at least a certain wattage. So there is a variance to rapid charging. Even a charger that doesn't output a full 3A by 5V can show the phone as rapid charging.

    For example it's possible to use a USB A charger which can do up to 2.4A and have the phone report it's charging rapidly. So that would be a wattage of 12W. So that would charge a little slower than a charger that provides 3A by 5V or a USB PD adapter that does 2A by 9V. But they are all considered rapid charging by the phone.
    Thanks for the info - again!
    Actually doesn't clear things up however, for those that want to easily, and affordably purchase PD-level charging performance cables and chargers.
    Oh well...
    10-31-2016 09:11 AM
  19. billykac's Avatar
    Are there really so many dodgy chargers on the market? Is this something that you guys think will eventually be phased out? Or would the hardware in phones make it a non-issue through safety precautions?
    What I am after here isn't necessarily focused on safety and dodginess, but rather how can we easily purchase real PD-performance cables and chargers at affordable prices, now. I realize that eventually, this stuff will sort-out based on lots of customer experiences. I was hoping to nail-down something specific in the near-term.
    10-31-2016 09:13 AM
  20. twmanga1's Avatar
    I saw this charger on Benson's list a week before the Pixel XL release date. Since this would be the one I use at work, and I didn't want to pay $35 for the Google charger, I figured I'd give it a try. It was a good choice for a cheaper charger that's up to specks (cable's been working fine for me, but I can replace it if needed):

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GVDVEMM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    10-31-2016 10:02 AM
  21. SteelGator's Avatar
    I have purchased these, based on Benson's sheet. I am very happy with both. I'm not likely to buy any charging accessories not on his sheet, too many folks failing his tests.

    https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    10-31-2016 10:22 AM
  22. jlangner's Avatar
    I considered those, but combined over $50
    10-31-2016 02:39 PM
  23. Impulses's Avatar
    The $35 Google charger is the same 18W one you get with the phone AND it comes with the same 6ft cable. It you need both a secondary charger AND cable it's actually pretty affordable and probably your best bet.

    The cheapest in spec charger I've seen (one of only 2-3) is still like $18 and any decent cable would run another $8+ atop that, plus possibly shipping... You end up saving all of $5-9 vs Google's combo and you probably end up with a shorter cable.

    Their Type C to A cable is more overpriced at $25 by itself, but you shouldn't need that unless you need a second 3.0/3.1 cable besides the original for fast data transfers... For optimal charging just go Type C to Type C. Type C car chargers like the Nekteck are pretty cheap ($16 IIRC).

    Those two recommendations cover the vast majority of people's needs tbh, no need to go hunting for anything else.

    I bought a couple extra C to C cables myself for use with a Type C wall outlet/charger and with a Vinsic car charger (connected to a solar panel) but anyone doing something like that has probably (or should probably) already read every review and recommendation posted by Benson, Nathan K etc.

    It's not that simple to test this stuff, seeing "charging rapidly" on screen or going by manufacturer specs is almost meaningless... If you're gonna stray away from well reviewed/tested stuff I'd at least make damn sure it carries the USB-IF's certification seal (and few things do right now).
    10-31-2016 04:19 PM
  24. Impulses's Avatar
    You can't use rapid charging as an indicator of USB PD. If it's like the Nexus phones last year they indicate rapid charging if the phone is receiving at least a certain wattage. So there is a variance to rapid charging. Even a charger that doesn't output a full 3A by 5V can show the phone as rapid charging.

    For example it's possible to use a USB A charger which can do up to 2.4A and have the phone report it's charging rapidly. So that would be a wattage of 12W. So that would charge a little slower than a charger that provides 3A by 5V or a USB PD adapter that does 2A by 9V. But they are all considered rapid charging by the phone.
    Correct.
    10-31-2016 04:23 PM
  25. Impulses's Avatar
    Are there really so many dodgy chargers on the market? Is this something that you guys think will eventually be phased out? Or would the hardware in phones make it a non-issue through safety precautions?
    There are actually, there's a crapload of bad cables and chargers that don't follow the spec and are downright dangerous.

    The fact that Qualcomm decided to shoehorn their proprietary Quick Charging spec unto Type C ports (on the phone side but not the charger side to boot) only complicated matters more since it violates the spec and just stunted adoption of the official USB Power Delivery spec. Devices from MS, Google, and Apple mostly follow the PD spec.

    In a year or two QC will go away and this will probably be a non issue, you can probably just look for the USB-IF certificate of approval. Right now? Tread and buy very carefully IMO.
    10-31-2016 04:37 PM
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