10-23-2011 09:49 PM
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  1. jtc276's Avatar
    Quad-core phones are literally months away. I expect that one or so will more than likely be unveiled in January or February and the trend will continue from spring until the end of the year. This is basically what happened with dual-core last year. The first Tegra 3 quad core tablet has already been announced by Asus, so I'm sure that it will be added to phones in a matter of time.

    So is it even worth getting the Galaxy Nexus when something TWICE as good will be out in three, maybe four months? Not to mention the fact that people that aren't purchasing the phone unlocked will probably have to wait until the beginning of the year for it to reach their carrier anyway. And the fact that new quad core phones will almost definitely ship with ICS, HD screens, great cameras, and have everything that the Nexus lacks is making me consider waiting.

    Had the specs on the Nexus blew me away, I would have probably went for it. But it merely matched other Android phones and upped the software (by a lot, I must add; ICS is simply amazing, but I don't buy phones for software). And don't get me wrong. I am NOT bashing. There will just more than likely be something much better VERY soon.
    10-21-2011 10:56 PM
  2. sushiglobster's Avatar
    I say, if you need to upgrade now, then do it now. In my case I have an OG Droid. I AM GOING TO UPGRADE. It is time for me and I'm way past due.

    If you think your current device can hold you over, then hang on to it till then.

    If you wait, you will be waiting forever and ever. Eventually, you need to come to an agreement with yourself on what you need to do to carry you on to the next technological level.
    10-21-2011 10:59 PM
  3. ultravisitor's Avatar
    For me, it's not about the hardware. It's about the software. I'm tired of having to root and wait for a decent ROM just to get a Blur-free Android experience.
    10-21-2011 11:00 PM
  4. Scottatron's Avatar
    Or you could wait another 12 months and get a six core with a 1080p screen.

    Such is the nature of fast moving technology, if you constantly wait for the next big thing....you'll be waiting forever.
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    10-21-2011 11:01 PM
  5. jtc276's Avatar
    Or you could wait another 12 months and get a six core with a 1080p screen.

    Such is the nature of fast moving technology, if you constantly wait for the next big thing....you'll be waiting forever.
    Very true. I completely agree with you, but what about the people waiting for the phone on contract that aren't on Verizon? They will more than likely be waiting until the beginning of the year. So waiting would benefit them highly.

    I had waited for a Galaxy S II for months before finally getting fed up with US carriers not getting it months after it had been released in other countries. So I bought the best phone available on AT&T at the time: the Motorola Atrix. I do love my Atrix, but I really want something a bit more fast and unlaggy. The lag on the Atrix isn't awful, but it's noticeable, even with the Gingerbread update. I had narrowed down my options between the Galaxy S II and Galaxy Nexus, but yesterday I decided that I'd go with neither. I have a phone that can easily hold me over until quad core is integrated, so I'll just stick with it.
    10-21-2011 11:06 PM
  6. Scottatron's Avatar
    Agree, if you have reason to wait (contract etc) then I'd hang out for a while as well.
    10-21-2011 11:11 PM
  7. Menno's Avatar
    1) There will ALWAYS be something new coming out. And it will ALWAYS be better. If you wait for the next great thing, you'll never get anything. When a Quad-Core comes to market, they'll announce a faster chip with more unicorns.

    2) Those Quad core phones won't be Nexus devices. Google paces the Nexus devices generally a year apart. That means if Verizon gets one, it will be locked down just like all their other phones.

    3) ICS (the software) isn't optimized for that many cores (to my knowledge), which means most of the benefits will only come with NDK developed games (much like Tegra2 games are right now for Gingerbread phones). Following traditional carrier pattern, those quad core phones might not be released until June, and when they are, they'll be running Gingerbread, or maybe some heavily skinned version if ICS. (remember how long it took to get Gingerbread launched phones here in the US)

    Something better is ALWAYS around the corner. I'd rather take the device that Google will be designing their software for now and enjoy it for the year until the next one drops.
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    10-21-2011 11:12 PM
  8. ejaymd11's Avatar
    What's the point of quad core? It's getting to the point now it's too much.
    10-21-2011 11:16 PM
  9. sneakking's Avatar
    I say, if you need to upgrade now, then do it now. In my case I have an OG Droid. I AM GOING TO UPGRADE. It is time for me and I'm way past due.

    If you think your current device can hold you over, then hang on to it till then.

    If you wait, you will be waiting forever and ever. Eventually, you need to come to an agreement with yourself on what you need to do to carry you on to the next technological level.

    I'm in the same boat. I have ridden the OG Droid as long as it can take me. The Galaxy Nexus is the first phone I've seen that I think can last me for as long as OG.

    I'm hearing next summer for the quad core to really kick in. Fortunately I have two upgrades basically back to back so I can "chance it" on the Nexus.

    Kal-El looks amazing with the 5th power saving core, but even though it may be awesome and next summer MAY be when it would launch in a device I personally can't wait any longer. Also, who knows if there will be delays, etc. that may push back a truly awesome quad core phone back a little further

    as sushiglobster said, it depends on your situation most of all
    10-21-2011 11:18 PM
  10. CynicX's Avatar
    ICS can't utilize quad core yet. So you'll wait a few months for a quad core then you'll need to wait a few more for software to utilize it. By that time there will be a hex core or something crazy. See what I'm getting at? We are on the verge of a yearly released device, so waiting a few more weeks isn't a big deal. Quad core will be a dime a dozen once the first one comes out.
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    10-21-2011 11:25 PM
  11. Poopai's Avatar
    (remember how long it took to get Gingerbread launched phones here in the US)
    That's a good point. Gingerbread was a nominal upgrade, and it took forever for phones to get it. Now ICS is a huge upgrade, so I wonder how long that will take. It depends if the companies just didn't think Gingerbread was a big enough upgrade to worry about urgently altering their skins for, or if it was just a lot of work for them with even that upgrade.

    If I waited for the first quad core phone and it had capacitive buttons I would smash my head into my keyboard. New phones not having the current software is a lot bigger deal now because you can't turn your capacitive buttons into software buttons with an update.
    10-21-2011 11:28 PM
  12. Poopai's Avatar
    ICS can't utilize quad core yet.
    How do you know this?
    10-21-2011 11:29 PM
  13. Scopic's Avatar
    Agreeing with what most said:

    If you wait for new technology, you'll be waiting forever.

    I was planning to build a new PC a couple months ago and I would constantly say to myself "Well, if I buy these parts now then something new might come out in a month and these will be cheaper, or something may come out after those and I can buy the better parts at the same price."

    And then I just sat down and said "What in the hell am I doing?" I gathered what I wanted right then and there and clicked "checkout" on Newegg.com. Now I'm posting from my newly built PC and it is wonderful, I don't regret a thing.
    10-21-2011 11:42 PM
  14. ManBearPig618's Avatar
    We're FINALLY getting a phone that can utilize dual core. I'm good with that for now. Sure quad cores are coming, but won't it be awhile until software can utilize all the cores?
    10-21-2011 11:48 PM
  15. anon(512898)'s Avatar
    So is it even worth getting the Galaxy Nexus when something TWICE as good will be out in three, maybe four months?
    You're first mistake was to assume that cores scale anywhere near linearly. A second core is great because it allows the foreground app to run on a different core from the os and background processes. Without developers coding apps for multiple cores (something that devs have been historically slow on in the desktop space) you will not see much of a boost from quad core.

    Secondly, look at last year again, when the nexus s came out people said that dual cores where "right around the corner". Sure we saw the g2x and atrix, but due to poor software they were hardly better than single cores phones at the time, it wasn't until summer with releases like the gs2 and sensation that dual core phones worth have appeared, even then the nexus s still held its own. If the trend is anything like that I would gladly "settle" for the galaxy nexus.

    ICS can't utilize quad core yet.
    It should support a lot more than 4 cores, it should be inheriting the mulit core support baked into the linux kernel
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    10-21-2011 11:54 PM
  16. turb0wned's Avatar
    yes. Nexus is better than any other device.
    10-22-2011 12:11 AM
  17. borgey401's Avatar
    1) There will ALWAYS be something new coming out. And it will ALWAYS be better. If you wait for the next great thing, you'll never get anything. When a Quad-Core comes to market, they'll announce a faster chip with more unicorns.

    2) Those Quad core phones won't be Nexus devices. Google paces the Nexus devices generally a year apart. That means if Verizon gets one, it will be locked down just like all their other phones.

    3) ICS (the software) isn't optimized for that many cores (to my knowledge), which means most of the benefits will only come with NDK developed games (much like Tegra2 games are right now for Gingerbread phones). Following traditional carrier pattern, those quad core phones might not be released until June, and when they are, they'll be running Gingerbread, or maybe some heavily skinned version if ICS. (remember how long it took to get Gingerbread launched phones here in the US)

    Something better is ALWAYS around the corner. I'd rather take the device that Google will be designing their software for now and enjoy it for the year until the next one drops.
    You make no sense at all, the whole point of a Nexus device is for it to be unlocked. Your memory might be short but Verizon has had the first devices on both 2.0 and 3.0 (Original DROID and XOOM). Both of which were unlocked just like the Nexus will be. The DROID was basically a Nexus before they existed and we all know the Xoom is a developer tablet (same thing as a Nexus once again). So your theory is flawed right off the bat. We all know that every Nexus will be fully unlocked or it won't carry the Nexus name.

    One thing you are correct about is ICS not being able to take advantage of anything more than dual core CPUs. So you will go ahead and get a phone that MIGHT have a quad core processor but you won't have software to even take advantage of it. It's the same thing as going out and buying a dual core phone that's on 2.3 ..... It's pointless but of course people don't realize that and just see dual core and get brain washed by it. Same thing will happen with quad core technology.
    10-22-2011 12:14 AM
  18. JediJesus95's Avatar
    I'm still amazed how many people still love their Nexus One. And when the Nexus S was announced everyone said how disappointed they were with the specs yet most people who own one really like the phone. There is nothing quite like a pure vanilla android phone. It's always smooth.
    10-22-2011 12:16 AM
  19. Scottatron's Avatar
    I'm still amazed how many people still love their Nexus One. And when the Nexus S was announced everyone said how disappointed they were with the specs yet most people who own one really like the phone. There is nothing quite like a pure vanilla android phone. It's always smooth.
    Using my N1 right now, still enjoy it
    10-22-2011 12:17 AM
  20. cdf3's Avatar
    My phone is single core and my tablet is dual core. Many of my favorite apps I use daily do not run any faster on my dual core tablet, than they do on my single core phone.
    I'm sure there are games that will run better on my tablet, but so far I have yet to use any of the graphic intense games.

    Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk
    10-22-2011 12:32 AM
  21. dsignori's Avatar
    Quad-core phones are literally months away. I expect that one or so will more than likely be unveiled in January or February and the trend will continue from spring until the end of the year. This is basically what happened with dual-core last year. The first Tegra 3 quad core tablet has already been announced by Asus, so I'm sure that it will be added to phones in a matter of time.

    So is it even worth getting the Galaxy Nexus when something TWICE as good will be out in three, maybe four months? Not to mention the fact that people that aren't purchasing the phone unlocked will probably have to wait until the beginning of the year for it to reach their carrier anyway. And the fact that new quad core phones will almost definitely ship with ICS, HD screens, great cameras, and have everything that the Nexus lacks is making me consider waiting.

    Had the specs on the Nexus blew me away, I would have probably went for it. But it merely matched other Android phones and upped the software (by a lot, I must add; ICS is simply amazing, but I don't buy phones for software). And don't get me wrong. I am NOT bashing. There will just more than likely be something much better VERY soon.
    What specifically would anyone want to do on a quad core phone, that they wont be able to do with the Nexus, or other modern phones?

    The current phones can do everything I need them to with no waiting, no lag. The Razr, Nexus and Razound are gonna be wicked fast. Right now, I have absolutely no need for a quad core chip in my phone.

    That said, I am sure there will be edge cases where folks will say they need it to do <a,b,c,>, and maybe it could be worth waiting. I don't see it. Phones are at a hardware point now that - for me - the high end phones can do everything I need as fast as I need. I would not wait ..
    10-22-2011 12:40 AM
  22. Poopai's Avatar
    I'm still amazed how many people still love their Nexus One. And when the Nexus S was announced everyone said how disappointed they were with the specs yet most people who own one really like the phone. There is nothing quite like a pure vanilla android phone. It's always smooth.
    The Nexus S was a joke: year old specs with a glossy plastic build. The Nexus One however had good new specs and it looked awesome. Now the Galaxy Nexus does have good specs (It's just thrown off by them stupidly underclocking the processor, but that can be fixed), but it doesn't look that good.
    10-22-2011 12:41 AM
  23. Stein357's Avatar
    The Nexus S was a joke: year old specs with a glossy plastic build. The Nexus One however had good new specs and it looked awesome. Now the Galaxy Nexus does have good specs (It's just thrown off by them stupidly underclocking the processor, but that can be fixed), but it doesn't look that good.
    I'm fine with them under clocking the processor considering LTE is a battery hog.

    As far as waiting goes? Tomorrow isn't promised.
    10-22-2011 12:46 AM
  24. Poopai's Avatar
    One should also note that waiting won't just get you quad-core, but probably a GPU that's actually competitive.
    10-22-2011 12:51 AM
  25. TuxDotKing's Avatar
    One should also note that waiting won't just get you quad-core, but probably a GPU that's actually competitive.
    Hence giving you the extra efficiency for brute-forcing RSA encryptions, or mining Bitcoins, or other tasks which obviously require you to have the most cutting edge phone hardware.

    Christ, I remember having this argument when the Nexus S came out. The Nexus S still runs everything I throw at it smoothly and efficiently. I think the Galaxy Nexus's hardware will be perfectly fine.


    It should support a lot more than 4 cores, it should be inheriting the multi core support baked into the linux kernel
    Yes, it will. ICS is fully optimized for multi-core processors. A lot of you here need to read up on the actual benefits of multi-core processors and how Linux/Android/Dalvik handle them respectively. By ICS each part of that holy trinity has been optimized with multi-threading support; but more cores != more power. It simply means more efficiency.
    10-22-2011 01:07 AM
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