09-23-2013 07:32 PM
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  1. garyft's Avatar
    I agree with this 100%! I know plenty of very well educated people with busy lives that don't give a sh*t about custom roms, or live wall papers. They just want to make calls and take some photos to post on FB or instagram. It doesn't make them dumb, or iSheep. It's kind of funny, lots of the comments lambasting Apple fanyboys are themselves hopeless Android nutswingers! Such irony.
    And any modern smartphone will accomplish those tasks admirably with no modification. The writer claimed to want to try Android because of all the options, but then found the choices "overwhelming" and stated that he prefers Apple to make all those choices for him. That's what makes him an iSheep. If you just say "I tried it, I feel more comfortable with iOS and prefer those apps/features" then I don't have a problem with that. If you just say "I don't want to learn a new platform" I can understand that. But to say "I want to try Android because of all the customization options" and then say "all the options are too much for me, I need Apple to make all those choices for me" tells me that the initial attempt was disingenuous at best.
    09-19-2013 02:38 PM
  2. pappy53's Avatar
    The idea that just because they have a store, they have great service is a bad joke.
    It isn't because they have a store. Fact is that they have great service. I don't know the circumstances of your visit, but I would assume that there were some kind of circumstances for them not to be able to take care of you.
    09-19-2013 02:43 PM
  3. pappy53's Avatar
    Which most people throw away 10 minutes after opening the box. Who cares?
    I don't think that anywhere close to "most" people throw away their packaging.
    09-19-2013 02:45 PM
  4. metle_geek's Avatar
    This is really the problem here. To be honest, I had some of the same complaints coming from iOS, but getting over them in light of all the advantages Android offers isn't difficult if you're willing to spend more than a few days with the device. The HTC One isn't and iPhone and Android isn't iOS. Shocking...

    It's a poorly written article and a truly bad review.
    Exactly sigh i couldn't read the whole thing because i was laughing soo hard who do i turn to? Thats where we come in at half of the things he was so disgusted with would be solved with root if your not atfrade to learn and get your hands dirty gtfo some things apple does i would love in android like a full backup in the cloud and i mean without root but we'll see what they do with google drive (only logical step)

    Sent from my HTC One X+ using AC Forums mobile app
    09-19-2013 02:49 PM
  5. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Well, Apple does by far have the nicest packaging.
    I don't spend $199 up to $699 for packaging. Thank the Lord that Google device manufacturers spend that time thinking about the actual device and product instead of what it's wrapped in.
    gdmin likes this.
    09-19-2013 02:54 PM
  6. garublador's Avatar
    But to say "I want to try Android because of all the customization options" and then say "all the options are too much for me, I need Apple to make all those choices for me" tells me that the initial attempt was disingenuous at best.
    Right. The funny part isn't that he decided he likes iOS better, it's the ridiculous reasons and terrible logic he used in what's clearly a thinly veiled attempt to show how much he likes iOS.
    09-19-2013 03:01 PM
  7. pappy53's Avatar
    I don't spend $199 up to $699 for packaging. Thank the Lord that Google device manufacturers spend that time thinking about the actual device and product instead of what it's wrapped in.
    Apple is known for their packaging. A premium product deserves premium packaging. It's just another Apple "perk".
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    09-19-2013 03:07 PM
  8. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Quite honestly, if he was "hopelessly overwhelmed" in an hour, I highly doubt he has the brain capacity to even scrape the surface of what options are out there for customizing Android. No one immediately gets over their head with launchers, icon packs, keyboards, sms apps, wallpapers, widgets, etc.. in only an hour. It takes me that long to even get all my apps downloaded from the servers and decide what layout I want on my main home screen.

    Reviews like this make me smile because of 2 things. 1- Preconceived notions. 2- Putting forth ZERO effort to actually formulate your own opinion.

    There is not a single doubt in my mind that the iPhone is an outstanding device. I also am well aware of how great they are at designing their packaging. But I would NEVER believe that the high ups at Apple know me better than I know myself. It's funny to me how so many fans of Apple always bring up that they have more options when it comes to accessories, cases, etc....but then they turn around and say the options in Android's software is too confusing and overwhelming. Someone is being hypocritical...........I envy their choices in accessories because I like choices and options. Which is why I have stayed with Android for so long.
    gdmin likes this.
    09-19-2013 03:09 PM
  9. paintdrinkingpete's Avatar
    Agreed...SMS integration is one thing still missing from Hangouts, but hey, at least you can use Hangouts on Android *AND* iOS devices, as it is cross-platform. The advantages of iMessage are really only evident if your messaging with someone else with an iDevice.
    For me it was the fact that a text message went to my iMac or iPad if i was at another location and my phone wasn't handy. And no mightytext was not the same because I could use this if my phone was dead.
    Right...but Google Hangouts does that...if I get a message, it alerts me on my Nexus 10 tablet and on my computer, and I can respond from any those devices as well as my phone...is that not the same thing?

    Once SMS can be integrated, it should be pretty much equal in functionality...though for what it's worth, I rarely use standard SMS anymore, I have Hangouts setup with pretty much all my friends and family.
    09-19-2013 03:12 PM
  10. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Apple is known for their packaging. A premium product deserves premium packaging. It's just another Apple "perk".
    If Android devices were wrapped in manuire, i'd probably tend to agree with you. Also if iPhones were wrapped in paper gold. But since neither is the case, a well designed marketed packaging would NEVER pull any weight in a subjective review that I was doing. I'm not that superficial. Sure, i'd agree that it's a 'perk'. But I don't think that perk has any bearing on my evaluation of the end product. I save all my packaging for devices in case I ever want to re-sell, but not because I need them to keep me warm and fuzzy inside like this guy. He just sounds like a tool when he says that.
    09-19-2013 03:13 PM
  11. pappy53's Avatar
    half of the things he was so disgusted with would be solved with root
    And therein lies some of the problem. Shouldn't have to root.
    09-19-2013 03:15 PM
  12. pappy53's Avatar
    If Android devices were wrapped in manuire, i'd probably tend to agree with you. Also if iPhones were wrapped in paper gold. But since neither is the case, a well designed marketed packaging would NEVER pull any weight in a subjective review that I was doing. I'm not that superficial. Sure, i'd agree that it's a 'perk'. But I don't think that perk has any bearing on my evaluation of the end product. I save all my packaging for devices in case I ever want to re-sell, but not because I need them to keep me warm and fuzzy inside like this guy. He just sounds like a tool when he says that.
    I agree, if the packaging affected his review, then he lost a lot of credibility. All that I am saying is that Apple has always had nice packaging for all of their products.
    09-19-2013 03:18 PM
  13. garyft's Avatar
    And therein lies some of the problem. Shouldn't have to root.
    But he claims that he happy to jailbreak his iphone.
    09-19-2013 03:29 PM
  14. paintdrinkingpete's Avatar
    And therein lies some of the problem. Shouldn't have to root.
    But he claims that he happy to jailbreak his iphone.
    No review should ever be based on features that require root/jailbreak. Those types of things are merely perks for those willing to do so.
    09-19-2013 03:39 PM
  15. meyerweb#CB's Avatar
    I don't think that anywhere close to "most" people throw away their packaging.
    Seriously? You think most people keep the empty boxes their phones come in? They must have a heck of a lot more closet space than I do.
    09-19-2013 03:45 PM
  16. pappy53's Avatar
    They must have a heck of a lot more closet space than I do.
    Yeah, since they take up so much room. /s
    09-19-2013 03:47 PM
  17. Beyond Fire's Avatar
    Seriously? You think most people keep the empty boxes their phones come in? They must have a heck of a lot more closet space than I do.
    People who intend to resell their devices down the road keep the boxes. So yeah most people don't throw away their boxes...

    Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 2
    09-19-2013 03:50 PM
  18. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I agree, if the packaging affected his review, then he lost a lot of credibility. All that I am saying is that Apple has always had nice packaging for all of their products.
    It seemed to me that the packaging very much affected his "review". And you're right. Apple has always done a nice job with packaging. But i've never been disgusted with the packaging of my Android devices either. I get so excited when opening a new electronic device that almost any packaging material would be pleasing to me.
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    09-19-2013 04:41 PM
  19. mkhall's Avatar
    People who intend to resell their devices down the road keep the boxes. So yeah most people don't throw away their boxes...
    Wait, you are saying that most smartphone users resell their old devices? I'd love to see the data behind that, because I've only known a couple of people who've done that.

    Or is this like "everyone roots/jailbreaks their phone"?

    What happens when I press this?
    09-19-2013 05:06 PM
  20. Gator352's Avatar
    I agree with this 100%! I know plenty of very well educated people with busy lives that don't give a sh*t about custom roms, or live wall papers. They just want to make calls and take some photos to post on FB or instagram. It doesn't make them dumb, or iSheep. It's kind of funny, lots of the comments lambasting Apple fanyboys are themselves hopeless Android nutswingers! Such irony.
    Agree with most of what you said. BUT.....lambasting a phone and a platform while not even giving it a chance while holding another phone and platform on a pedestal is childish within itself, especially with most of the comments he made. So THAT does make him...ahem...dumb. Charging cable? Serious? And the mindless other pundit comments he eschewed. His article wasn't considered mature in my opinion (most of my comments aren't mature either...but I'm not writing an article)!!

    He likes it simple. Fine. He likes Apple. Fine. But most of his comments makes him out to need medication...or a round room and told to sit in a corner.
    09-19-2013 05:21 PM
  21. Gator352's Avatar
    Apple is known for their packaging. A premium product deserves premium packaging. It's just another Apple "perk".
    And what constitutes Apple as being premium? The media? The Apple fans? Tech sites? Or told to say so?

    What I consider to be premium is anything that I hold dear. My wife. My kids. My job. My friends. My health., and the list goes on. A phone is an object that is considered a tool. Something you use to communicate or waste time with. Some may consider it "premium" /rolls eyes...I consider it a phone....
    09-19-2013 05:29 PM
  22. Farish's Avatar
    Wait, you are saying that most smartphone users resell their old devices? I'd love to see the data behind that, because I've only known a couple of people who've done that.

    Or is this like "everyone roots/jailbreaks their phone"?

    What happens when I press this?
    A lot of retailers offer a trade in program. They might not be "selling" but they are doing something with them. Also the resell market on phones is booming, with websites like Gazelle pushing the way.

    Here are some numbers from 2012.

    There were an estimated 48 million used devices recycled or sold back in 2012.
    About 21% of mobile phone customers have recycled or traded in a phone.
    Carrier-owned stores (including online) account for around 61% of the traded-in devices.

    Bamboo Mobile Estimates the U.S. Used Device Trade-in Market Reached Over $900 Million in 2012 - Yahoo Finance

    I traded my wife's 4s for 330 dollars in store credit at Target after she got her HTC One( was usually 250 but some promotion or something with bonus credit).
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    09-19-2013 05:29 PM
  23. Farish's Avatar
    And what constitutes Apple as being premium? The media? The Apple fans? Tech sites? Or told to say so?

    What I consider to be premium is anything that I hold dear. My wife. My kids. My job. My friends. My health., and the list goes on. A phone is an object that is considered a tool. Something you use to communicate or waste time with. Some may consider it "premium" /rolls eyes...I consider it a phone....
    First I miss your old avatar.

    Second, only thing I think were Apple is a premium is their customer service.

    Maybe the rest comes from pricing. I don't know I think do think that the 15 inch retina display macbook pro is a premium product.
    09-19-2013 05:30 PM
  24. anon5664829's Avatar
    Ok I am an Apple fan and I admit.
    But this is ridiculous. Trust me he does not speak for Apple users at all, I mean hell, people that know me here also know I own and love a 16GB Nexus 4. I am shocked he thought he was fair.
    LegalAmerican likes this.
    09-19-2013 06:08 PM
  25. Cubfan's Avatar
    Good Lord... the cord doesn't wrap into a circle? Oh, the humanity!

    There's no hope for this guy. What a maroon.
    09-19-2013 06:10 PM
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