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  1. ffejjj's Avatar
    Well that makes 2 headliners now that are crushed by the Z2 this year, let's see what Moto has up their sleeve next I guess.
    This must be your "In my opinion" post
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    03-04-2014 08:14 PM
  2. xchange's Avatar
    This must be your "In my opinion" post
    Owner of a replacement Htc One... Till the Z2 comes along
    03-04-2014 08:28 PM
  3. ffejjj's Avatar
    I actually think the Z2 is really nice. Water proof and they adapted the 2 speaker format. Top notch specs and a big battery.

    I like the One a bit more but I'm waiting for the LG G3

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    03-04-2014 08:38 PM
  4. angry english's Avatar
    Ok let's put this in layman terms... This is the same specs as the Galaxy S4 lte+...

    Oh and the GPU is clocked higher...

    " The CPU frequency jumps from a maximum of 2.3GHz to 2.5GHz, an 8-percent increase and a jump in the GPU from 550MHz to 578MHz a mere 5-percent increase in performance. With the GPU jump from the MSM8974 (800) to the newer MSM8974AB there is a 22-percent increase in speed and when compared to the MSM8974AC there is a 28-percent jump. The newer MSM8974AB and MSM8974AC chips have their own image signal processor (ISP) chip for faster handling of videos and images between the older MSM8974 and the two newer chips, there is a 45-percent increase in speed from 320MHz to 465MHz. This has caused a throughput bumped from 640MPixels/s (320MHz) to 1GPixels/s (465MHZ)."

    Now then, like I've been saying since the start, "on paper it's older spec"

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    03-04-2014 08:46 PM
  5. angry english's Avatar
    I actually think the Z2 is really nice. Water proof and they adapted the 2 speaker format. Top notch specs and a big battery.

    I like the One a bit more but I'm waiting for the LG G3

    Sent from my HTCONE using AC Forums mobile app
    My boss has just gone with the z1s, looks a nice phone, wish we could have waited but it's a company setup and we had to choose our new phones today, looking forward to seeing it

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    03-04-2014 09:12 PM
  6. RicM211's Avatar
    We're not serious right? did you read the dual camera description? thats a poorly drawn up preview of the new HTC One.

    I wish the Z2 was in the US by next week when my update comes, AHHHHH I dont wanna get the Z1s but I dont know if i can wait?!
    03-05-2014 12:42 AM
  7. RicM211's Avatar
    My boss has just gone with the z1s, looks a nice phone, wish we could have waited but it's a company setup and we had to choose our new phones today, looking forward to seeing it

    Posted via Android Central App
    What do you think of the Z1s vs the HTC One?
    03-05-2014 12:44 AM
  8. BigDinCA's Avatar
    The only people that know the M8 specs are the people not saying anything.

    Everything else is a guess.
    I think those would be the people who may already have one in hand. You know, like the people who will post 5 articles within minutes of the announcement event concluding, because they've had a review unit for weeks and have their articles written and ready to publish. Like people from certain reputable websites and tech blogs. You know those folks, right? Like the ones who knew 4.4 was going to be KitKat and not Key Lime Pie. You know those people, Jerry. You know you do. And I know that you know that I know who you think I am referring to.

    If there was only a way for one of those esteemed individuals to give us a teenie tiny bit of information. Just a little morsel. Alas, I don't think there is a place where that could happen. I can't think of a place on the internet, let alone this site, where people can post things about various topics and engage in conversation. Like a forum or something. That would be sweet. You guys should think about adding that to your site.
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    03-05-2014 12:37 PM
  9. PFKMan23's Avatar
    I think those would be the people who may already have one in hand. You know, like the people who will post 5 articles within minutes of the announcement event concluding, because they've had a review unit for weeks and have their articles written and ready to publish. Like people from certain reputable websites and tech blogs. You know those folks, right? Like the ones who knew 4.4 was going to be KitKat and not Key Lime Pie. You know those people, Jerry. You know you do. And I know that you know that I know who you think I am referring to.

    If there was only a way for one of those esteemed individuals to give us a teenie tiny bit of information. Just a little morsel. Alas, I don't think there is a place where that could happen. I can't think of a place on the internet, let alone this site, where people can post things about various topics and engage in conversation. Like a forum or something. That would be sweet. You guys should think about adding that to your site.
    While I'm sure peopple love that, the people in such a position are most likely bound by a non disclosure agreement.
    03-05-2014 12:43 PM
  10. Habiib's Avatar
    I think those would be the people who may already have one in hand. You know, like the people who will post 5 articles within minutes of the announcement event concluding, because they've had a review unit for weeks and have their articles written and ready to publish. Like people from certain reputable websites and tech blogs. You know those folks, right? Like the ones who knew 4.4 was going to be KitKat and not Key Lime Pie. You know those people, Jerry. You know you do. And I know that you know that I know who you think I am referring to.

    If there was only a way for one of those esteemed individuals to give us a teenie tiny bit of information. Just a little morsel. Alas, I don't think there is a place where that could happen. I can't think of a place on the internet, let alone this site, where people can post things about various topics and engage in conversation. Like a forum or something. That would be sweet. You guys should think about adding that to your site.
    Asking for a morsel of information is like me placing a Worthers original on your tongue, asking you to suck on it until it dissolves, and forbidding you from biting into it at any time. The temptation to ask for more would be too great to ignore.

    Posted via Android Central App
    03-05-2014 12:48 PM
  11. MERCDROID's Avatar
    The bickering in this thread is absolutely hilarious. I didn't see anything wrong with angry english's posts. If you look at the RUMOURED specs, then yes, on paper, the M8 is technically using an older processor. The 800 is older than the 801. Period. There's nothing debatable about that. But, in real world usage, you won't notice a difference in performance.

    Still, for people to get up in arms about someone else's opinion is just dumb. What makes your opinion more valid than someone else's?

    The phone isn't even out yet, lol. If anything, we should all be reserving judgement until it's released. And, even then, the M8 will be a better fit for some people. Some people will like it, some people won't. The butthurt needs to stop, though. People need to stop attacking everyone that doesn't necessarily agree with them or their phone of choice. I swear, for all of the mocking that Android users direct at Crackberry and its fan base, that same can probably be said for a good portion of the users here.

    / end rant
    03-05-2014 05:06 PM
  12. KSDroid01's Avatar
    I actually think the Z2 is really nice. Water proof and they adapted the 2 speaker format. Top notch specs and a big battery.

    I like the One a bit more but I'm waiting for the LG G3

    Sent from my HTCONE using AC Forums mobile app
    Oh, but that BEZEL on the Z2...absolutely horrendous! ๐Ÿ˜œ

    Posted via the "Best Smartphone of 2013" One
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    03-05-2014 05:47 PM
  13. ErnstMach's Avatar
    Oh, but that BEZEL on the Z2...absolutely horrendous! ๐Ÿ˜œ

    Posted via the "Best Smartphone of 2013" One
    I actually laughed out loud at that ๐Ÿ˜…

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    03-05-2014 06:19 PM
  14. iN8ter's Avatar
    Not necessarily. The S801 is essentially a over clocked S800 with support for a new type of flash memory (that as far as I know isn't even available yet). That's it. It won't offer any real noticeable gains in speed or anything.

    Posted from my Nexus 5
    That's incorrect and quite misleading.

    The 801 has gains in a number of areas. It's better than the 800 is practically every way, and especially for imaging (the ISP is much better than the 800's).

    Not going for the 801 was a bad choice, IMO, seeing as how it's available and devices that have been on the market for close to 6 months or longer have earlier 800s that are almost on par for performance with the chip HTC is using.

    I doubt volume was an issue since they surely can't be expecting to move as many M8s as Samsung is expecting to sell GS5's.

    Also, 5MP camera. Did they learn at all from the disadvantages of the low MP count in the first HTC One. Why not just put a f2.2 improved 8MP camera in the device so that those of us that need to crop don't end up with useless detail-less content when we do that (never mind the clear advantages for far-off shots and high resolution panoramas the higher MP cameras give). This camera hoopla of theirs is frustrating me.

    In comparison with the Snapdragon 800, the new 801 comes with 14% faster Krait 400 processor cores, 28% faster Adreno 330 graphics, and the whole reason for the 801 being - a 45% improvement in camera sensor processing speed. Qualcomm made it pin-for-pin and software compatible with Snapdragon 800, so changing to the 801 is just a matter of swapping out the old, and plugging the new.
    While the CPU and GPU gains may be marginal, the ISP enhancements will be noticeable.

    Even though the S600-S800 may not even be noticeable for the average consumer from a real-world performance standpoint CPU and GPU-wise, there is a clear improvement in camera performance between the S4 and Note 3, IMO.
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    03-06-2014 09:24 AM
  15. iN8ter's Avatar
    everything seems to be One Down
    and that was the exact moment I stopped taking you seriously as a consumer, and started thinking of you as a guy who thinks an overclocked 800 makes a phone king above all.
    But the 801 does have areas where it clearly outclasses the 800.

    The 801 isn't a huge upgrade in CPU/GPU, but it does offer clear benefits over the 800 in other areas. When you get to the level we're at in processing power, the details start to matter more.

    Also, perception is reality to a lot of people, and from a marketing sense allowing Samsung to say (rightly) that their phone is "more powerful" than yours puts you at a disadvantage from that perspective.

    If the GS5 camera is even approaching as good as people say it is (if it's even a marginal improvement over the Note 3 + better Low Light capabilities), then I don't see why anyone who values that component in a phone would consider going for HTC and their 5MP cameras.
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    03-06-2014 09:31 AM
  16. iN8ter's Avatar
    You said everything, which is way I had to call your bs out. It is most definitely NOT down every part the hardware. If it really is an 800 then it is down only on the version of the CPU, which is only slightly worse than an 801 (which is totally irrelevant if your software is laggy). The gpu is predicted to be the same as the S5, on-board memory predicted to be more, the screen will likely be better just like the One was to the S4 (as far as PPI and outside visibility is concerned), the camera is a totally new module to come out on phones (not sure if it is better yet, but you can't say it is worse either).

    You just need to be careful of the way you say things. Using heavy words like "everything" will of course warrant responses like mine.
    PPIs in the 440 range I'm not sure it even worth mentioning that as a spec at this point. You can have the worst PenTile display and it will still be basically unnoticeable by anyone with normal vision at those PPI levels. Outdoor Visibility, yes the One was better. Samsung's Panel on the S5 is an improvement from the S4. The Note 3's panel was an improvement from the S4, even.

    Samsung's Camera is also massively improved, and the GS4/Note 3 camera was superior to the One in almost every ways except bringing in light. Even in low light, you could usually get more detail out of a GS4/Note 3 or iPhone 5S picture than the One if you use Night Mode or used a decent editing app to adjust the lighting. The M8's cameras are still 5MP, which means it will retain some key disadvantages it has compared to higher MP cameras (like being borderline useless for shooting far-off targets and cropping - that much can be said).

    Like I said before, the 801 is not "slightly better" than the 800 in some areas. It's clearly, demonstrably better in some areas.
    Actually other than clock speed and the support for a new type of memory, there is no differences.

    Posted from my Nexus 5
    Why are people making definitive statements about things they clearly know nothing about.

    The CPU cores and GPU cores are more efficient (better performance at same clock speed of an S800).
    The ISP got a 45% boost in performance.
    Yes, it supports bigger SD Cards and Faster Storage Types.

    Probably got some improvements in power management as well.

    To the people talking about the Sony Z2. Sony has always been pretty bad for battery life in my experience. The Video Playing times Sony Stated for the Z2 are average at best, and well below what the G2, Note 3, and phones like the iPhone 5S are capable of. That phone has the same battery Size as the Note, yet that is all they can rate it at (6 hours of HD Video Playback), seriously? I don't like to depend on performance/UX killing power saving modes to get decent Screen On Time.

    Also, I find Sony's camera performance to be rather... sporatic, though I do think they are quite bold and innovative with some of their camera software improvements (first OEM to introduce "Intelligent Auto" in a smartphone Camera Software, IIRC, though it killed batteries :-P ). They make great sensors, yet they never seem to put them to use as well as the other OEMs they sell them to. That has always struck me as ironic. I don't like Sony's UI Overlay or design language, either. I tend to use my phones "out of the box/stock" and don't MOD/Root/whatever them, so that is a big factor for me.
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    03-06-2014 09:51 AM
  17. angry english's Avatar
    What do you think of the Z1s vs the HTC One?
    We just got the Z1s this morning and I have to say it's a super nice phone, it's probably the best looking smartphone available in my opinion going on my tastes, screen is nice also and the Sony skin isn't very heavy at all, cannot pass judgment on battery life yet but it's certainly a looker

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    03-06-2014 12:04 PM
  18. chadthebuilder's Avatar
    PPIs in the 440 range I'm not sure it even worth mentioning that as a spec at this point. You can have the worst PenTile display and it will still be basically unnoticeable by anyone with normal vision at those PPI levels. Outdoor Visibility, yes the One was better. Samsung's Panel on the S5 is an improvement from the S4. The Note 3's panel was an improvement from the S4, even.

    Samsung's Camera is also massively improved, and the GS4/Note 3 camera was superior to the One in almost every ways except bringing in light. Even in low light, you could usually get more detail out of a GS4/Note 3 or iPhone 5S picture than the One if you use Night Mode or used a decent editing app to adjust the lighting. The M8's cameras are still 5MP, which means it will retain some key disadvantages it has compared to higher MP cameras (like being borderline useless for shooting far-off targets and cropping - that much can be said).

    Like I said before, the 801 is not "slightly better" than the 800 in some areas. It's clearly, demonstrably better in some areas.

    Why are people making definitive statements about things they clearly know nothing about.

    The CPU cores and GPU cores are more efficient (better performance at same clock speed of an S800).
    The ISP got a 45% boost in performance.
    Yes, it supports bigger SD Cards and Faster Storage Types.

    Probably got some improvements in power management as well.

    To the people talking about the Sony Z2. Sony has always been pretty bad for battery life in my experience. The Video Playing times Sony Stated for the Z2 are average at best, and well below what the G2, Note 3, and phones like the iPhone 5S are capable of. That phone has the same battery Size as the Note, yet that is all they can rate it at (6 hours of HD Video Playback), seriously? I don't like to depend on performance/UX killing power saving modes to get decent Screen On Time.

    Also, I find Sony's camera performance to be rather... sporatic, though I do think they are quite bold and innovative with some of their camera software improvements (first OEM to introduce "Intelligent Auto" in a smartphone Camera Software, IIRC, though it killed batteries :-P ). They make great sensors, yet they never seem to put them to use as well as the other OEMs they sell them to. That has always struck me as ironic. I don't like Sony's UI Overlay or design language, either. I tend to use my phones "out of the box/stock" and don't MOD/Root/whatever them, so that is a big factor for me.
    I'm sorry that I posted that they have hardly any differences, as that is what I understood from reading the release. The whole thing I was trying to point out, is that we don't know if it will have a S800 or 801. A website with a @evleaks render as the product image isn't especially assuring to me. I still believe that it will have a S801; however, If it has a 800, it will still be one heck of a phone, and there shouldn't be any everyday performance lack because of that.

    Posted from my Nexus 5
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    03-06-2014 12:21 PM
  19. iN8ter's Avatar
    I'm sorry that I posted that they have hardly any differences, as that is what I understood from reading the release. The whole thing I was trying to point out, is that we don't know if it will have a S800 or 801. A website with a @evleaks render as the product image isn't especially assuring to me. I still believe that it will have a S801; however, If it has a 800, it will still be one heck of a phone, and there shouldn't be any everyday performance lack because of that.

    Posted from my Nexus 5
    The 800 is fine. I will not ditch my Note simply because the S5 has an upgraded SoC and I'm more than content with the camera speed and quality on this phone. I just don't think people should justify the alleged under special of that component relative to Samsung's new handset by claiming the differences are minimal, cause that not true.

    Whether the 800 is good enough depends on your motivation for buying the phone, IMO.

    HTC does use custom ISPs in their devices (ImageChip) so they may not *need* an upgraded SoC that boosts the phone imaging more than everything else.

    I still think they should have gone back to an f2.2 upgraded 8MP camera though. Their phones are beautiful and well built but a hardware component like that is not something a lot of people can work around. HTC justifies it by saying most people look at photos on social networks and the phone screen, which may be true. But it turns a blind eye to those that use the camera on their phones in other ways.

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    03-06-2014 12:25 PM
  20. iN8ter's Avatar
    We just got the Z1s this morning and I have to say it's a super nice phone, it's probably the best looking smartphone available in my opinion going on my tastes, screen is nice also and the Sony skin isn't very heavy at all, cannot pass judgment on battery life yet but it's certainly a looker

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    Don't think that phone is on Verizon. Sony needs to get their flagship on more carriers. The phone may be amazing but I didn't have access to it because my carrier doesn't carry it. Same issue as Nokia.

    Don't think I can go back to a smaller screen now though. Friends S4 went from looking big to almost feeling like an iPhone cause I'm used to the bigger screen. And the Stylus is baller when doing video analysis in Coach's Eye.

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk
    03-06-2014 12:29 PM
  21. angry english's Avatar
    I'm sorry that I posted that they have hardly any differences, as that is what I understood from reading the release. The whole thing I was trying to point out, is that we don't know if it will have a S800 or 801. A website with a @evleaks render as the product image isn't especially assuring to me. I still believe that it will have a S801; however, If it has a 800, it will still be one heck of a phone, and there shouldn't be any everyday performance lack because of that.

    Posted from my Nexus 5
    But thats not what you was saying to me, you was trying to make a point of the 800 being no different to the 801, like you was trying to prove some point, and i couldnt get my head around it, you did the same post twice pretty much telling me how the 801 was the same... to quote "Actually other than clock speed and the support for a new type of memory, there is no differences."

    This is why i dont understand all the butthurt in this thread, nobody said the 800 was no good, my phone has the 800 in now, but people seem to be adamant to shoot me down for posting what a retailer from the uk listed for the specs, and the fact that its not One up on the other device, which i still stand by. You may like sense, that doesnt mean everyone else has to or thinks its great
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    03-06-2014 02:08 PM
  22. angry english's Avatar
    Don't think that phone is on Verizon. Sony needs to get their flagship on more carriers. The phone may be amazing but I didn't have access to it because my carrier doesn't carry it. Same issue as Nokia.

    Don't think I can go back to a smaller screen now though. Friends S4 went from looking big to almost feeling like an iPhone cause I'm used to the bigger screen. And the Stylus is baller when doing video analysis in Coach's Eye.

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk
    Yeah the Z1s is a TMobile exclusive, Sony do need to get on all carries i agree. They have a bigger presence in Europe than they do in the States. Like you though i like the big screen now i own a Note 3, its just the perfect middle ground, i no longer need a 7-8 inch tablet, i now have my Note 3 and a 10.1 Tab Pro, and quite happy at that, though i do like the body on the M8
    03-06-2014 02:10 PM
  23. Zacharyw70's Avatar
    Snapdragon 800 is still a very capable CPU, the 801 doesn't offer much over it since the new memory isn't available anyway I think one thing people should understand is they can't literally have everything. HTC may have decided to use the S800 to save some money, and focus on the build quality they're known for bringing. Sure the Galaxy S5 has a better CPU, but when most consumers, and developers didn't even make use of the full power of the S800 than there is simply no need to use a more powerful and more expensive chip.
    Personally even if these specs are true (They still aren't confirmed) I think they sound great. I especially like how HTC added an SD Card slot, and yet is still offering 32GB Storage, which is compared to Samsung's 16GB that is already halved by their bloatware.
    03-06-2014 08:05 PM
  24. ErnstMach's Avatar
    Were the leaked benchmarks in the S801 calibre? I can't remember, but it could give us a somewhat general idea of what's under the hood...

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    03-06-2014 09:31 PM
  25. ffejjj's Avatar
    800, 801. I dare say they'll both be good. Look how well HTC did with the 600.



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    03-06-2014 09:45 PM
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