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  1. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    - Samsung isn't outclassed in audio, battery life or software. You are wrong.

    - Samsung performance is fine. As usual, lag is exaggerated by Samsung haters. Samsung's UI is the best looking stock launcher on any Android phone. Their duplicate applications and bloat, as you call them, are usually superior to the stock Android apps.

    - No, Samsungs have had the best cameras at the time they released for years. Nokia had one device that was the best about 5 years ago. Apple cameras have been behind Samsung for years.

    - Samsungs are the best packages for the past several years. No phones have the combination of excellent build quality + design + battery life + features + camera + audio quality + display + reliability that Samsung has. Everyone else falls short.

    - A 1080p video is literally 1/4 the size (resolution) of a 4K video. Ever watch old cell phone videos at lower resolutions? They don't even fit your smartphone screen without a lot of stretching the image. That same thing will happen to 1080p videos and 4K videos, but 4K videos will look better for longer because they're far larger than 1080p videos. If you're still confused on the concept, look at an image in the old computer monitor standard display resolution of 800x600. It doesn't come anywhere close to filling a background today. It simply makes no sense to record in 1080p when 4K UHD is available. That is like recording at 480p when you could record at 720p. I posted the bit rates because you brought them up. Pretty simple.

    - 8K isn't years away. Prices will drop relatively fast like with 4K.
    Dell UltraSharp 32 8K Monitor: UP3218K | Dell United States

    - Isn't it interesting that you think every review site/major Youtuber is paid off by Samsung? That's tin foil hat status.
    No offense but 8k is years away. You have to have the content in 8k to be able to watch it, and how much of it is being done in 4k let alone 8k right now? Is it coming sure, eventually but it will be years before we actually see it where it is cheap enough to be implemented where we can afford to buy it.

    Now in practical terms, what good will a 8k screen be on a 5.7" size screen? Absolutely none.. Same for any other size screen until the content is available. They are at the limits right now upscaling 720p to 4k for quality shown, there is only so much that can be done. Sure it can be done with letterboxing half of the screen but who is going to want that?

    8k is a long way off for mainstream consumption.

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  2. woainexus's Avatar
    No offense but 8k is years away. You have to have the content in 8k to be able to watch it, and how much of it is being done in 4k let alone 8k right now? Is it coming sure, eventually but it will be years before we actually see it where it is cheap enough to be implemented where we can afford to buy it.
    UHD 4K TVs became much more affordable last year in 2016. An average 4K TV has been about the same price of a FHD TV when it became common at around $1000 for a 55". Of course, you can find it much cheaper and more expensive depending on quality. But the point is 4K TVs now are more than affordable for most people.

    My family have already upgraded both of our TVs to 4K and me and my wife's iMacs are both the 5K model from 2015 and both of our phones are 2K, the same with our tablets. So all of our "screens" are way above FHD. The same with many of our friends.

    As for content, we consume plenty of 4K content from Netflix and some on YouTube.

    But even if you haven't fully upgraded to 4K yet, most likely you will in the next year or two. So it only makes sense to be future proof and start recording in 4K. To claim 4K is some "distant future tech" is just being in denial.
    07-04-2017 07:38 AM
  3. Habiib's Avatar
    UHD 4K TVs became much more affordable last year in 2016. An average 4K TV has been about the same price of a FHD TV when it became common at around $1000 for a 55". Of course, you can find it much cheaper and more expensive depending on quality. But the point is 4K TVs now are more than affordable for most people.

    My family have already upgraded both of our TVs to 4K and me and my wife's iMacs are both the 5K model from 2015 and both of our phones are 2K, the same with our tablets. So all of our "screens" are way above FHD. The same with many of our friends.

    As for content, we consume plenty of 4K content from Netflix and some on YouTube.

    But even if you haven't fully upgraded to 4K yet, most likely you will in the next year or two. So it only makes sense to be future proof and start recording in 4K. To claim 4K is some "distant future tech" is just being in denial.
    That's the key. 4K Didn't become more affordable until the content caught up. More importantly, 4K streaming was the saving grace, especially for the average consumer who cares more about resolution thanks video quality. 8K will suffer the same setback when it comes to pricing, until content catches up.
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    07-04-2017 08:46 AM
  4. woainexus's Avatar
    That's the key. 4K Didn't become more affordable until the content caught up. More importantly, 4K streaming was the saving grace, especially for the average consumer who cares more about resolution thanks video quality. 8K will suffer the same setback when it comes to pricing, until content catches up.
    4K became affordable last year. While in 2017, there may be more 4K content via Netflix, Amazon and UHD Blu-ray, but I would hardly call that having "caught up". 4K TV became more affordable mostly because the manufacturing process became more affordable. Because 4K TV became more affordable, more retail stores (including online) started carrying them and bumped FHD TV. So naturally when consumers buy new TVs, they will see more 4K TVs instead of FHD ones and will more likely to choose those.

    But the whole point of this argument was one should record in 4K in 2017 to be more future proof and therefore FHD recording is irrelevant.
    07-04-2017 08:56 AM
  5. Habiib's Avatar
    -fluff fluff fluff fluff fluff..something something
    .....Samsung's UI is the best looking stock launcher on any Android phone.
    Read that back to yourself, but slowly... very slowly.

    - Samsungs are the best packages for the past several years. No phones have the combination of excellent build quality + subjective design + battery life + features (are you taking about absolute feature count) + camera + audio quality + display + reliability that Samsung has. Everyone else falls short.
    No matter how much evidence I give to show how wrong you are, especially when it comes to measurable attributes, you'll stick to your mantra regardless. Nothing wrong with that, party on.

    - ..... Ever watch old cell phone videos at lower resolutions? They don't even fit your smartphone screen without a lot of stretching the image. That same thing will happen to 1080p videos and 4K videos, but 4K videos will look better for longer because they're far larger than 1080p videos. If you're still confused on the concept, look at an image in the old computer monitor standard display resolution of 800x600. It doesn't come anywhere close to filling a background today. .... I posted the bit rates because you brought them up. Pretty simple.
    Aspect ratios dude... aspect ratios and how they apply when upscaling and rendering on a display at its native resolution. I brought bitrates up because I know what I'm talking about and I know they play a big role in video quality. You're still fixated on absolute resolution. This goes back to my native Blu-ray vs streamed 4K analogy.


    It simply makes no sense to record in 1080p when 4K UHD is available.
    Actually it does. It saves on battery life, storage space, and requires less image processing, comparatively speaking.

    - 8K isn't years away...Prices will not drop fast like they did for 4K.
    Dude..... the content, affordable pricing, sufficient availability in the consumer market for 8K is years away. The 4K price drop didn't occur until more content became readily available (pushed by streaming 4K videos). So I'm at a loss as to why you gave a link to that expensive monitor?

    - Isn't it interesting that you think EVERY REVIEW SITE/MAJOR YOUTUBER is paid off by Samsung? That's tin foil hat status.
    Ah ok, so you were just joking this entire time. Since no one has made that claim (and I'm hoping you quote the 1st post) you're just yanking everyone's chain.
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    07-04-2017 09:05 AM
  6. Habiib's Avatar
    4K became affordable last year. While in 2017, there may be more 4K content via Netflix, Amazon and UHD Blu-ray, but I would hardly call that having "caught up"....But the whole point of this argument was one should record in 4K in 2017 to be more future proof and THEREFORE FHD RECORDING IS IRRELEVANT.
    Ummmm that is being caught up. Prior to, there were very few ways to get 4K content outside of media hubs of some sort. Streaming and physical 4K media + players are now more prevalent today. The only part that hasn't caught up is the content library size. Also, if FHD recording is irrelevant, then the option should not exist anymore going forward in 2017, correct? or am I reading what you wrote incorrectly?
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    07-04-2017 09:21 AM
  7. woainexus's Avatar
    Actually it does. It saves on battery life, storage space, and requires less image processing, comparatively speaking.
    By your logic we might as well be recording in SD because that would save even more battery life, storage space and require even less processing.

    Ummmm that is being caught up. Prior to, there were very few ways to get 4K content outside of media hubs of some sort. Streaming and physical 4K media + players are now more prevalent today. The only part that hasn't caught up is the content library size.
    You and I have very different defintion of what being "caught up" means. 4K content while definitely more available today than before (duh), it's still not as common as FHD content. Until UHD content is at least as common as UHD content (if not more so) then it's not "caught up" IMO. I'm not talking about volume either because if that's the case, I believe SD content may still be a lot more common if you consider all the VHS, laser disc and other media that has ever been produced. I'm talking about the fact that you can access UHD content as easily as you can with FHD content today. In other words, UHD is "caught up" when it becomes THE standard as FHD is currently.

    Also, if FHD recording is irrelevant, then the option should not exist anymore going forward in 2017, correct? or am I reading what you wrote incorrectly?
    Just because you have the OPTION to it doesn't mean it's relevant.

    In all our of phones we can also take photos at much lower resolution. On my 6P, the lowest setting is 0.9 megapixels but how relevant is that? How many people would actually argue taking photos at 0.9 megapixels is "better" than taking it at 12.2 megapixels?

    The conclusion is you can either join the future (and soon the present) or stay in the past.
    07-04-2017 09:42 AM
  8. Mathrania's Avatar
    Just my opinion : S8 display compared to HTC U11 and Google Pixel XL... Well... I find Samsung display over saturated and kind of fake while the other two are more natural...
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    07-04-2017 10:47 AM
  9. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    No offense but 8k is years away. You have to have the content in 8k to be able to watch it, and how much of it is being done in 4k let alone 8k right now? Is it coming sure, eventually but it will be years before we actually see it where it is cheap enough to be implemented where we can afford to buy it.

    Now in practical terms, what good will a 8k screen be on a 5.7" size screen? Absolutely none.. Same for any other size screen until the content is available. They are at the limits right now upscaling 720p to 4k for quality shown, there is only so much that can be done. Sure it can be done with letterboxing half of the screen but who is going to want that?

    8k is a long way off for mainstream consumption.

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    When I record videos, I record them to watch them on TVs and computer monitors, not smartphones. 8K computer monitors are already out and in a few years they will be attainable for a lot of people due to price drops. Regardless, recording a 1080p video to watch on a 4K TV makes no sense.
    07-04-2017 11:17 AM
  10. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    Read that back to yourself, but slowly... very slowly.


    No matter how much evidence I give to show how wrong you are, especially when it comes to measurable attributes, you'll stick to your mantra regardless. Nothing wrong with that, party on.


    Aspect ratios dude... aspect ratios and how they apply when upscaling and rendering on a display at its native resolution. I brought bitrates up because I know what I'm talking about and I know they play a big role in video quality. You're still fixated on absolute resolution. This goes back to my native Blu-ray vs streamed 4K analogy.



    Actually it does. It saves on battery life, storage space, and requires less image processing, comparatively speaking.


    Dude..... the content, affordable pricing, sufficient availability in the consumer market for 8K is years away. The 4K price drop didn't occur until more content became readily available (pushed by streaming 4K videos). So I'm at a loss as to why you gave a link to that expensive monitor?


    Ah ok, so you were just joking this entire time. Since no one has made that claim (and I'm hoping you quote the 1st post) you're just yanking everyone's chain.
    - Samsungs launcher is the best looking launcher from an OEM. That does matter.

    - You haven't given me any evidence that disproves what I've said about Samsungs being the best overall package. You have attacked Samsung without comparing them to any other phone -- that is because if you compare them to other phones, you would come to the same conclusion I have. LG phones are unreliable with cold display temperatures and a bad UI. Pixel phones lack features, have outdated designs, and are just so-so in many areas. HTC phones lack features and the only somewhat competitive phone they have is the U11. Sony has outdated designs and lacks features. Motorola stopped really trying. So on and so forth. Samsung phones are reliable. Samsung audio is fine.

    - Your Blu-ray vs streamed 4K analogy fails. A Galaxy S8/S8+ recording in 4K has 4 times the resolution of a U11 recording in 1080p AND almost 2.5 times the bitrate. You keep insisting that 1080p records at a higher bitrate than 4K and it doesn't. A 4K video can play natively on a 4K display. A 1080p video cannot.

    - Of course a 1080p recording will take less battery, less space, and require less image processing than 4K. You're recording a lower quality video. Record in 720p for even more savings.

    - 4K prices didn't come down due to content. They came down for a number of other reasons. 4K content just increased because more people were adopting 4K TVs.

    - You have essentially said that every reviewer gets paid off by Samsung. Every time I bring up a review, you have some bs reason why they're biased. You said this on page one of this thread...
    "However, I'm starting to see this trend where the U11 doesn't seem to do*as well*vs its competition in camera comparisons on tech sites and with tech reviewers with more notoriety. I won't $peculate a$ to why that's the ca$e"
    07-04-2017 11:44 AM
  11. Habiib's Avatar
    Some more stuff....
    By your logic we might as well be recording in SD because that would save even more battery life, storage space and require even less processing.
    Not my logic dude. It is a fact that performing said activities in a way that requires less processing will yield benefits. As I've noted further down, modern DSLRs have the exact some configuration options at the users' disposal. So unless manufacturers have found my "logic" to be appealing and decided to toss the options in there for times of famine, what I've described is legitimate.


    You and I have very different defintion of what being "caught up" means. 4K content while definitely more available today than before (duh), it's still not as common as FHD content. Until UHD content is at least as common as UHD content (if not more so) then it's not "caught up" IMO. I'm not talking about volume either because if that's the case, I believe SD content may still be a lot more common if you consider all the VHS, laser disc and other media that has ever been produced. I'm talking about the fact that you can access UHD content as easily as you can with FHD content today. In other words, UHD is "caught up" when it becomes THE standard as FHD is currently.
    Yes we differ majorly. The availability of 4K/UHD media consumption devices and displays, vs the availability of 4K content is where I'm going with my comment about catching up and how the affordability of 4K/UHD has gone in favor of the consumer as more available content has allowed for a higher adoption rate.


    Just because you have the OPTION to it doesn't mean it's relevant.
    Wait wait...to put this in perspective of the conclusion made by the person for FHD video recording viability, this translates to: Just because you have the irrelevant option to it doesn't mean it's relevant. Yeah that makes sense.

    In all our of phones we can also take photos at much lower resolution. On my 6P, the lowest setting is 0.9 megapixels but how relevant is that? How many people would actually argue taking photos at 0.9 megapixels is "better" than taking it at 12.2 megapixels?
    If you're trying to make a correlation between this example of yours and my example of recording @fhd vs UHD and its benefits, at least try and get the ratios and activity correct. Your comparing video recording with photo capturing (logic fail #1 ). The gap from 0.9 MP to 12.2 MP is far greater in scale than going from FHD to UHD (logic fail #2 ). DSLRs have the same option to shoot at a lower MP count, which provides (on the photo capturing side) some of the identical benefits I gave.

    The conclusion is you can either join the future (and soon the present) or stay in the past.
    Huh? You don't join the future, because it's something that doesn't exist yet. What you meant to say is to either follow the trend or go off in another direction
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  12. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    Just for fun, I checked what the video recording bitrates are with my Galaxy Note 5 by looking at my previously recorded videos.

    1080p @ 30fps = ~14-17 Mbps
    1080p @ 60fps = ~28-30 Mbps
    4K @ 30fps = ~48 Mbps

    The 4K videos look FAR better than the 1080p videos (obviously) on my 3000x2000 resolution Microsoft Surfacebook screen. There is no reason to record in 1080p unless you want uglier videos that are less futureproofed.
    07-04-2017 12:10 PM
  13. woainexus's Avatar
    Blah blah blah
    Hey man, I had enough fun so I'm going to stop wasting my time with you.

    At the end of the day, you go ahead and record videos on an obsolete format. In 5 years, you will either regret your decision and realize you're wrong when your FHD videos look like crap or you may be stubborn enough to keep refusing to adopt the newest technology / format. Whatever the case, I know I will be much more future proof than you are.
    07-04-2017 12:12 PM
  14. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    Hey man, I had enough fun so I'm going to stop wasting my time with you.

    At the end of the day, you go ahead and record videos on an obsolete format. In 5 years, you will either regret your decision and realize you're wrong when your FHD videos look like crap or you may be stubborn enough to keep refusing to adopt the newest technology / format. Whatever the case, I know I will be much more future proof than you are.
    1080p smartphone videos already look like crap compared to 4K smartphone videos. I think he can't tell the difference because he only views them on his smartphone screen.
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    07-04-2017 12:16 PM
  15. Habiib's Avatar
    .........
    Samsungs launcher is the best looking launcher from an OEM. That does matter.
    Subjective. If you want to make it an objective statement, what criteria shall be used for making the determination?

    - You haven't given me any evidence that disproves what I've said about Samsungs being the best overall package.
    False. I did and you ignore or deflect and come back with a baseless reply.

    You have attacked Samsung without comparing them to any other phone -- that is because if you compare them to other phones, you would come to the same conclusion I have. LG phones are unreliable with cold display temperatures and a bad UI. Pixel phones lack features, have outdated designs, and are just so-so in many areas. HTC phones lack features and the only somewhat competitive phone they have is the U11 (...ummmm isn't this post about the U11??lol). Sony has outdated designs and lacks features. Motorola stopped really trying. So on and so forth. Samsung phones are reliable. Samsung audio is fine.
    Notice how you pointed out the exact same things (Samsung leads display tech) I did (minus the subjective areas)? So having an abundance of features is all it takes? If Samsung is the best in 1 objective area, but is good in the rest, explain how that makes it the total package? For a quick shortlist, the U11 has an excellent display, excellent battery life, excellent software performance, the best rear camera, the best audio **internal and external audio. All of those are measurable.

    You keep insisting that 1080p records at a higher bitrate than 4K and it doesn't. A 4K video can play natively on a 4K display. [,B]A 1080p video cannot[/b].
    No I insisted firstly that bitrates and framerates play the part more than just resolution alone. I said Blu-ray in its native format has a higher bitrate than streamed 4K. Also I'm looking at 1080p video on my 4K TV right now sooooo.... How is that possible since you said it can't happen?

    - You have essentially said that every reviewer gets paid off by Samsung. Every time I bring up a review, you have some bs reason why they're biased. You said this on page one of this thread...
    "However, I'm starting to see this trend where the U11 doesn't seem to do*as well*vs its competition in camera comparisons on tech sites and with tech reviewers with more notoriety. I won't $peculate a$ to why that's the ca$e"
    Dude...I told you not to quote that and you did it anyway (as I knew you would). Show me "every reviewer" in that statement. My reasons as to why a reviewer has no more credibility within the scope of my original post, are easily supported by evidence (read trends) and not just a theory. Also notice how I said "its competition", so that doesn't make this exclusive to just it being a Samsung party. I choose my words carefully.
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    07-04-2017 12:33 PM
  16. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    Subjective. If you want to make it an objective statement, what criteria shall be used for making the determination?


    False. I did and you ignore or deflect and come back with a baseless reply.



    Notice how you pointed out the exact same things (Samsung leads display tech) I did (minus the subjective areas)? So having an abundance of features is all it takes? If Samsung is the best in 1 objective area, but is good in the rest, explain how that makes it the total package? For a quick shortlist, the U11 has an excellent display, excellent battery life, excellent software performance, the best rear camera, the best audio **internal and external audio. All of those are measurable.


    No I insisted firstly that bitrates and framerates play the part more than just resolution alone. I said Blu-ray in its native format has a higher bitrate than streamed 4K. Also I'm looking at 1080p video on my 4K TV right now sooooo.... How is that possible since you said it can't happen?


    Dude...I told you not to quote that and you did it anyway (as I knew you would). Show me "every reviewer" in that statement. My reasons as to why a reviewer has no more credibility within the scope of my original post, are easily supported by evidence (read trends) and not just a theory. Also notice how I said "its competition", so that doesn't make this exclusive to just it being a Samsung party. I choose my words carefully.
    - Show me a classier, better looking OEM UI than Samsung's UI. I have yet to see one.

    - You haven't given me any evidence aside from baseless claims

    - The U11 has a good screen, good battery life, excellent software performance (but falls behind a few other phones), excellent, but not the best rear camera, and good internal and external audio (but not the best). The U11 also has an outdated design with large bezels and a squeeze feature that allowed it to fail JerryRigEverything's bend test, is basically worthless on Verizon and Sprint, lacks features, has a boring UI, small screen, no headphone jack, and is only IP67 rated. The HTC U11 isn't $100 cheaper than the Galaxy S8 out of the goodness of HTC's heart. It's cheaper because it is cheaper to build and has less features. The Galaxy S8/S8+ has the best screen on the market, the most and best features, the best looking UI, a camera on par with any other smartphone camera including the HTC U11, good performance, good internal audio (external audio is hampered somewhat by the IP rating, but most people are like me and don't care about external audio as long as its loud enough), has a headphone jack, Samsung apps are better than the Google equivalent, so on and so forth. The Galaxy S8/S8+ is inarguably the most technologically advanced phone you can buy. Samsungs are essentially bad at nothing and offer far more than any other phone. Other phones are either bad or inferior in some way or lack features. Samsungs are better because other phones aren't as well-rounded and feature-rich as Samsungs.

    - I'm glad you now recognize that 1080p recordings are inferior in every single way to 4K recordings and are less futureproofed. The 1080p video you are watching is being upscaled to 4K. Think of it as digitally tweaking the video to make it 4K. It isn't playing natively at 4K.

    - You made a blanket statement that included "camera comparisons on tech sites" and "tech reviewers with more notoriety". That leaves us with obscure tech reviewers. You say that the reviewer credibility can be shot down easily with evidence, but you only provide claims and no evidence. You don't choose your words carefully enough. Android Central believes that Samsung makes the best phones. Are they on Samsung's payroll? They're a tech review site with notoriety.
    07-04-2017 01:19 PM
  17. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    UHD 4K TVs became much more affordable last year in 2016. An average 4K TV has been about the same price of a FHD TV when it became common at around $1000 for a 55". Of course, you can find it much cheaper and more expensive depending on quality. But the point is 4K TVs now are more than affordable for most people.

    My family have already upgraded both of our TVs to 4K and me and my wife's iMacs are both the 5K model from 2015 and both of our phones are 2K, the same with our tablets. So all of our "screens" are way above FHD. The same with many of our friends.

    As for content, we consume plenty of 4K content from Netflix and some on YouTube.

    But even if you haven't fully upgraded to 4K yet, most likely you will in the next year or two. So it only makes sense to be future proof and start recording in 4K. To claim 4K is some "distant future tech" is just being in denial.
    That's real nice that you get your content from Netflix, so do I, along with various other means.. But what is available on line is a drop in the proverbial bucket compared to 720p and 1080p.

    Both of these formats are the main formats used for just about everything, and will be for several years to come,but in the mobile world, 4k is still in it's infancy and even though you can take plenty of 4k video, 1080p video will be around for a long time. Just because 8k screens will be coming out, everything will be down sampled to scale for them. Noone is going to try to build a hardware upscaler for a phone.. The cost would be prohibited, and a software solution will be unreliable with too many artifacts.

    All of my big screens are LG 4k oleds along with OPPO's 203's here so I know about content..

    Don't get me wrong, recording in 4k isn't wrong, if that's what you want but understand that a good 1080p recording looks great on a great 4k set and great on a 2k mobile phone. Future proofing has nothing to do with it. It is all about storage space, battery life, and a great camera and a phone that doesn't overheat and limits your video taking time.

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  18. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    That's real nice that you get your content from Netflix, so do I, along with various other means.. But what is available on line is a drop in the proverbial bucket compared to 720p and 1080p.

    Both of these formats are the main formats used for just about everything, and will be for several years to come,but in the mobile world, 4k is still in it's infancy and even though you can take plenty of 4k video, 1080p video will be around for a long time. Just because 8k screens will be coming out, everything will be down sampled to scale for them. Noone is going to try to build a hardware upscaler for a phone.. The cost would be prohibited, and a software solution will be unreliable with too many artifacts.

    All of my big screens are LG 4k oleds along with OPPO's 203's here so I know about content..

    Don't get me wrong, recording in 4k isn't wrong, if that's what you want but understand that a good 1080p recording looks great on a great 4k set and great on a 2k mobile phone. Future proofing has nothing to do with it. It is all about storage space, battery life, and a great camera and a phone that doesn't overheat and limits your video taking time.

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    1080p smartphone videos look like doodoo on a high resolution screen compared to a 4K video. The difference is very clear. By the way, all the flagships this year will have a higher than 1080p display native resolution.
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    07-04-2017 02:20 PM
  19. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    1080p smartphone videos look like doodoo on a high resolution screen compared to a 4K video. The difference is very clear. By the way, all the flagships this year will have a higher than 1080p display native resolution.
    Oh baloney.... They do not, unless you have a crappy 4k set to begin with. Oh wait... Do you have a Samsung... That would explain it then... Lol... Lol... Just kidding.. Granted it's not as good, but certainly it doesn't look like crap.

    I watch plenty of 1080p content on my 65C6p LG as well as 720p cable.. Neither is horrible, but I agree true 4k is better. The better your equipment can upscale the better it looks.. And it all starts all with the quality of the content.. because not all 4k content is true 4k..

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    07-04-2017 05:31 PM
  20. Habiib's Avatar
    One thing I'm glad that HTC FINALLY got right, was their EIS implementation on the U11. I remember how horrible the EIS was on the M9 (if it even existed at all). They did a much better job, especially when coupling it with OIS. I do wonder if they have plans to bring back OIS on the front facing shooter in the near future.
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    07-04-2017 07:55 PM
  21. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Here's the proof of some of the baseless claims recently made ... I'll take them in order.

    #1 Since I actually own one and they don't, I believe that I am in a better position to critique the phone more accurately than they can. Also we will deal with a out and out falsehood that was made.

    The u11 has the best LCD screen out right now. It's colors are more accurate than any other phone that I have owned or did a direct in hand comparison to. It is more pleasing to the eye, straight out of the box than any Samsung amoled screen. It isn't glaring or gaudy and does not need to be tweaked to look accurate. While amoled may be the preferred screen of you and others, I have found that a LCD screen like the u11 to be better on a mobile device than amoled screens due to eye fatigue and also for screen burn in.
    The battery life on this phone isn't good.. It's great. I have been averaging over 6 hours of SOT with everything syncing, and not in any battery saving mode. No Samsung with the same size battery can match this. There is no Samsung phone that is better than the u11 for software performance. This phone is fluid and stands well above anything TouchWiz offers... and will do so 6 months down the line when TouchWiz is studdering.

    Now let's talk about audio... the audio of the u11 tromps anything that Samsung offers including rooting the Samsung and loading Viper. It's onpar with my v10 and v20. Yes there are some differences, and yes it doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack but I think that the majority of people will never notice and you will need to put them on a scope to actually see any real differences. I love the sound from both. Having the uSonics map my ears and then adjusting the sound to them produces a near perfect blend of highs mids and lows. Clarity is excellent and the low end is punchy. The sound stage is expansive and enveloping. With the new software update for the dongle with the amp and Dacs it does not struggle with my high impedance reference Sony cans. Listening to any Samsung is equivalent to listening to 2 tin cans and a string... There is no comparison internally or externally. Oh.. the bs excuse of adding water resistance to the Samsung is the reason it's speakers sound terrible is just that.. BS.. This phone is also water-resistant and sounds excellent. There is a huge difference between being loud, scratchy and grating and being great because this phone goes loud and sounds great.. No Samsung does.

    #2 Let's talk about it's outdated design for a few. The only people that are stating this are those who are in Samsung's pocket, their fanboys, or those tech writers who think having the thinnest edgeless phone is the most important thing to strive for. The design is a blend of practicality and real world experience. Why.. simply because it makes no sense to to build a phone without something to hold on to when out of a case. Luckily the designers didn't cave into the fad of form over function completely like those from Samsung. The top and bottom is there to support the phone and to give us boomsound. Not everyone loves Samsung designs.. Yes many people do and that's perfectly fine, but just because they don't like how the u11 looks is personal bias...oh...That Jerry rig test... At first I thought... Wow that ain't good and worried about it...heck I even posted this on the thread here... Then I came to the conclusion after really thinking about it .. In all of my years I have never stressed a phone in the manner he did. Ive dropped them off buildings, down elevator shafts, off of ladders and lifts as well as out of treestands, off mountains and into sewers, lakes, ponds, and I have never bent a phone like he did just to get it to fail..Sure I've broken them in all sorts of ways.. and in many pieces But those were out of the normal usage I usually use my phone in.. Of course I'm not doing this to phones to garner ratings either like he does ... Hmm... Think about it..

    Here is a outright falsehood I have seen made on this thread .. That it is basically useless on Sprint.. I'm on Sprint and I own this phone.. Do they? This phone connects faster than either my s8's or iPhone or even my LG's.. It's call quality is better, it's wifi calling is phenomenal, and I have better reception too so could they explain to me how it is basically useless on Sprint..maybe on Verizon but not Sprint..Do these folks even own this phone let alone use it on Sprint? I don't believe that they do.

    #3 Boring ui.. Seriously? I suppose to them it is since it is not TouchWiz, but to us it is not boring. It's not glaringly gaudy and to be honest doesn't have to be. The screen size is fine and it's aspect ratio is normal which is perfect for the size. IP 67 vs IP 68... Seriously... I'm mean someone is downing the phone because of this? I have a news flash.. The vast majority of people don't take their cell phones underwater.. IP 67 is fine for the majority of people on the planet.

    No Samsung phones aren't the best and never will be the best at everything. Samsung phones have just as many issues as other phones and that is the reality of this. People need to stop letting their personal preference blind them to the reality of this and stop spreading bs about a phone they have no first hand knowledge of. I have both of the current Flagships.. They obviously don't and only want to cut HTC down.

    The u11 is a better phone than any Samsung phone currently available on everything it can do that's been discussed.

    The Samsung has the best amoled screen on the market.. Not the best LCD screen. Just being amoled does not mean BEST especially on this size of display.

    The Samsung has the most and best features on the market.. Nope.. They may have the most, but certainly not the BEST and these features are considered by most to be bloat and get disabled. Think Package Disabler here...

    Samsung's are bad at nothing.. Really.. I got news for anyone that believes this nonsense , they are very bad at a lot of things and we've (I) already pointed them out to you.

    Other phones are bad or inferior because they lack features that the Samsung's have.. Reality check... Like what.. It's curved screens that you can't protect , it's batteries that blows up.. It's UI that is gaudy with it's inaccurate colors.. All of the bloat that has to be removed or disabled or it starts to studder.. Has people forgotten that the app Package Disabler was developed specifically for Samsung phones to rid them of all the bloat and not just the carrier bloat.. How about It's atrocious sounding speakers and Dacs..these are superior to the u11? Sorry dudes step away from the Kool-aid.

    As a actual owner of the HTC u11 and the Samsung's s8's.. I counter this bs with the truth..


    Mac
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    07-05-2017 10:24 AM
  22. dannyar11's Avatar
    Here's the proof of some of the baseless claims recently made ... I'll take them in order.

    #1 Since I actually own one and they don't, I believe that I am in a better position to critique the phone more accurately than they can. Also we will deal with a out and out falsehood that was made.

    The u11 has the best LCD screen out right now. It's colors are more accurate than any other phone that I have owned or did a direct in hand comparison to. It is more pleasing to the eye, straight out of the box than any Samsung amoled screen. It isn't glaring or gaudy and does not need to be tweaked to look accurate. While amoled may be the preferred screen of you and others, I have found that a LCD screen like the u11 to be better on a mobile device than amoled screens due to eye fatigue and also for screen burn in.
    The battery life on this phone isn't good.. It's great. I have been averaging over 6 hours of SOT with everything syncing, and not in any battery saving mode. No Samsung with the same size battery can match this. There is no Samsung phone that is better than the u11 for software performance. This phone is fluid and stands well above anything TouchWiz offers... and will do so 6 months down the line when TouchWiz is studdering.

    Now let's talk about audio... the audio of the u11 tromps anything that Samsung offers including rooting the Samsung and loading Viper. It's onpar with my v10 and v20. Yes there are some differences, and yes it doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack but I think that the majority of people will never notice and you will need to put them on a scope to actually see any real differences. I love the sound from both. Having the uSonics map my ears and then adjusting the sound to them produces a near perfect blend of highs mids and lows. Clarity is excellent and the low end is punchy. The sound stage is expansive and enveloping. With the new software update for the dongle with the amp and Dacs it does not struggle with my high impedance reference Sony cans. Listening to any Samsung is equivalent to listening to 2 tin cans and a string... There is no comparison internally or externally. Oh.. the bs excuse of adding water resistance to the Samsung is the reason it's speakers sound terrible is just that.. BS.. This phone is also water-resistant and sounds excellent. There is a huge difference between being loud, scratchy and grating and being great because this phone goes loud and sounds great.. No Samsung does.

    #2 Let's talk about it's outdated design for a few. The only people that are stating this are those who are in Samsung's pocket, their fanboys, or those tech writers who think having the thinnest edgeless phone is the most important thing to strive for. The design is a blend of practicality and real world experience. Why.. simply because it makes no sense to to build a phone without something to hold on to when out of a case. Luckily the designers didn't cave into the fad of form over function completely like those from Samsung. The top and bottom is there to support the phone and to give us boomsound. Not everyone loves Samsung designs.. Yes many people do and that's perfectly fine, but just because they don't like how the u11 looks is personal bias...oh...That Jerry rig test... At first I thought... Wow that ain't good and worried about it...heck I even posted this on the thread here... Then I came to the conclusion after really thinking about it .. In all of my years I have never stressed a phone in the manner he did. Ive dropped them off buildings, down elevator shafts, off of ladders and lifts as well as out of treestands, off mountains and into sewers, lakes, ponds, and I have never bent a phone like he did just to get it to fail..Sure I've broken them in all sorts of ways.. and in many pieces But those were out of the normal usage I usually use my phone in.. Of course I'm not doing this to phones to garner ratings either like he does ... Hmm... Think about it..

    Here is a outright falsehood I have seen made on this thread .. That it is basically useless on Sprint.. I'm on Sprint and I own this phone.. Do they? This phone connects faster than either my s8's or iPhone or even my LG's.. It's call quality is better, it's wifi calling is phenomenal, and I have better reception too so could they explain to me how it is basically useless on Sprint..maybe on Verizon but not Sprint..Do these folks even own this phone let alone use it on Sprint? I don't believe that they do.

    #3 Boring ui.. Seriously? I suppose to them it is since it is not TouchWiz, but to us it is not boring. It's not glaringly gaudy and to be honest doesn't have to be. The screen size is fine and it's aspect ratio is normal which is perfect for the size. IP 67 vs IP 68... Seriously... I'm mean someone is downing the phone because of this? I have a news flash.. The vast majority of people don't take their cell phones underwater.. IP 67 is fine for the majority of people on the planet.

    No Samsung phones aren't the best and never will be the best at everything. Samsung phones have just as many issues as other phones and that is the reality of this. People need to stop letting their personal preference blind them to the reality of this and stop spreading bs about a phone they have no first hand knowledge of. I have both of the current Flagships.. They obviously don't and only want to cut HTC down.

    The u11 is a better phone than any Samsung phone currently available on everything it can do that's been discussed.

    The Samsung has the best amoled screen on the market.. Not the best LCD screen. Just being amoled does not mean BEST especially on this size of display.

    The Samsung has the most and best features on the market.. Nope.. They may have the most, but certainly not the BEST and these features are considered by most to be bloat and get disabled. Think Package Disabler here...

    Samsung's are bad at nothing.. Really.. I got news for anyone that believes this nonsense , they are very bad at a lot of things and we've (I) already pointed them out to you.

    Other phones are bad or inferior because they lack features that the Samsung's have.. Reality check... Like what.. It's curved screens that you can't protect , it's batteries that blows up.. It's UI that is gaudy with it's inaccurate colors.. All of the bloat that has to be removed or disabled or it starts to studder.. Has people forgotten that the app Package Disabler was developed specifically for Samsung phones to rid them of all the bloat and not just the carrier bloat.. How about It's atrocious sounding speakers and Dacs..these are superior to the u11? Sorry dudes step away from the Kool-aid.

    As a actual owner of the HTC u11 and the Samsung's s8's.. I counter this bs with the truth..


    Mac
    THIS. 100% THIS.

    As a current u11 owner and former owner of both an s8+ and s8 I can vouch and agree with everything this gentleman says. Ill echo some of his points:

    -The battery isn't good, its incredible. For HTC to pack a 3000mah and be able to power a 5.5 QHD screen that easily gets 6 hours of SOT is remarkable. Shows what UI optimization can do vs a battery sucking touchwiz. My s8 with 3000mah barely made it to 4:30 and im getting over 6 consistently on the u11.

    -Look of a UI is all overblown. How many of us actually use the stock launcher? We have android phones for a reason and that's because we like the freedom to customize. The look of a UI should not even be factored into an argument. Slap nova like most of us do and you have a stock look and feel. Unless you have a UI like touchwiz which even behind the scenes is draining battery then you have a problem.

    -Lastly, the phone is just blazing fast. Faster than the pixel, faster than the s8, faster than anything ive used. Its not just me, recent benchmarks show its the fastest phone ever made to this point. You feel it as you use it. never hiccups, never stutters. Ill also throw in that the camera is amazing and the best you can find on any phone on the market. DxO mark proves it even though some may think that doesn't prove anything, its the only real benchmark we have at the moment for cell phone cameras. Go buy it now.
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    07-05-2017 10:48 AM
  23. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    THIS. 100% THIS.

    As a current u11 owner and former owner of both an s8+ and s8 I can vouch and agree with everything this gentleman says. Ill echo some of his points:

    -The battery isn't good, its incredible. For HTC to pack a 3000mah and be able to power a 5.5 QHD screen that easily gets 6 hours of SOT is remarkable. Shows what UI optimization can do vs a battery sucking touchwiz. My s8 with 3000mah barely made it to 4:30 and im getting over 6 consistently on the u11.

    -Look of a UI is all overblown. How many of us actually use the stock launcher? We have android phones for a reason and that's because we like the freedom to customize. The look of a UI should not even be factored into an argument. Slap nova like most of us do and you have a stock look and feel. Unless you have a UI like touchwiz which even behind the scenes is draining battery then you have a problem.

    -Lastly, the phone is just blazing fast. Faster than the pixel, faster than the s8, faster than anything ive used. Its not just me, recent benchmarks show its the fastest phone ever made to this point. You feel it as you use it. never hiccups, never stutters. Ill also throw in that the camera is amazing and the best you can find on any phone on the market. DxO mark proves it even though some may think that doesn't prove anything, its the only real benchmark we have at the moment for cell phone cameras. Go buy it now.
    Thanks


    Many won't buy it unfortunately..

    There's a number of reasons why, and we all know them too well. This phone will not be as heavily endorsed as Samsung's . here or anywhere else . It's plainly obvious why to anyone who chooses to look too. Play by Samsung's rule book or suffer the consequences... The agenda has been set and everyone lines up to bow down to their alter..

    My main concern is combating some total bs that has been posted on this thread.

    It bothers me that I have too, because what I see is outright falsehoods being regurgitated as factual information about this phone. Sure it may not be perfect for everyone, but no phone is perfect.. What it is, is a excellent phone and does many things better than most other flagship phones including any Samsung phone on the market...and this is obvious to anyone who has it.

    Mac
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    07-05-2017 11:22 AM
  24. dannyar11's Avatar
    In the main components that people look for in a phone, it beats any Samsung device out, no questions asked. Camera, battery and performance.U11, U11 and U11.
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    07-05-2017 12:17 PM
  25. EnemiesInTheEnd's Avatar
    Here's the proof of some of the baseless claims recently made ... I'll take them in order.

    #1 Since I actually own one and they don't, I believe that I am in a better position to critique the phone more accurately than they can. Also we will deal with a out and out falsehood that was made.

    The u11 has the best LCD screen out right now. It's colors are more accurate than any other phone that I have owned or did a direct in hand comparison to. It is more pleasing to the eye, straight out of the box than any Samsung amoled screen. It isn't glaring or gaudy and does not need to be tweaked to look accurate. While amoled may be the preferred screen of you and others, I have found that a LCD screen like the u11 to be better on a mobile device than amoled screens due to eye fatigue and also for screen burn in.
    The battery life on this phone isn't good.. It's great. I have been averaging over 6 hours of SOT with everything syncing, and not in any battery saving mode. No Samsung with the same size battery can match this. There is no Samsung phone that is better than the u11 for software performance. This phone is fluid and stands well above anything TouchWiz offers... and will do so 6 months down the line when TouchWiz is studdering.

    Now let's talk about audio... the audio of the u11 tromps anything that Samsung offers including rooting the Samsung and loading Viper. It's onpar with my v10 and v20. Yes there are some differences, and yes it doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack but I think that the majority of people will never notice and you will need to put them on a scope to actually see any real differences. I love the sound from both. Having the uSonics map my ears and then adjusting the sound to them produces a near perfect blend of highs mids and lows. Clarity is excellent and the low end is punchy. The sound stage is expansive and enveloping. With the new software update for the dongle with the amp and Dacs it does not struggle with my high impedance reference Sony cans. Listening to any Samsung is equivalent to listening to 2 tin cans and a string... There is no comparison internally or externally. Oh.. the bs excuse of adding water resistance to the Samsung is the reason it's speakers sound terrible is just that.. BS.. This phone is also water-resistant and sounds excellent. There is a huge difference between being loud, scratchy and grating and being great because this phone goes loud and sounds great.. No Samsung does.

    #2 Let's talk about it's outdated design for a few. The only people that are stating this are those who are in Samsung's pocket, their fanboys, or those tech writers who think having the thinnest edgeless phone is the most important thing to strive for. The design is a blend of practicality and real world experience. Why.. simply because it makes no sense to to build a phone without something to hold on to when out of a case. Luckily the designers didn't cave into the fad of form over function completely like those from Samsung. The top and bottom is there to support the phone and to give us boomsound. Not everyone loves Samsung designs.. Yes many people do and that's perfectly fine, but just because they don't like how the u11 looks is personal bias...oh...That Jerry rig test... At first I thought... Wow that ain't good and worried about it...heck I even posted this on the thread here... Then I came to the conclusion after really thinking about it .. In all of my years I have never stressed a phone in the manner he did. Ive dropped them off buildings, down elevator shafts, off of ladders and lifts as well as out of treestands, off mountains and into sewers, lakes, ponds, and I have never bent a phone like he did just to get it to fail..Sure I've broken them in all sorts of ways.. and in many pieces But those were out of the normal usage I usually use my phone in.. Of course I'm not doing this to phones to garner ratings either like he does ... Hmm... Think about it..

    Here is a outright falsehood I have seen made on this thread .. That it is basically useless on Sprint.. I'm on Sprint and I own this phone.. Do they? This phone connects faster than either my s8's or iPhone or even my LG's.. It's call quality is better, it's wifi calling is phenomenal, and I have better reception too so could they explain to me how it is basically useless on Sprint..maybe on Verizon but not Sprint..Do these folks even own this phone let alone use it on Sprint? I don't believe that they do.

    #3 Boring ui.. Seriously? I suppose to them it is since it is not TouchWiz, but to us it is not boring. It's not glaringly gaudy and to be honest doesn't have to be. The screen size is fine and it's aspect ratio is normal which is perfect for the size. IP 67 vs IP 68... Seriously... I'm mean someone is downing the phone because of this? I have a news flash.. The vast majority of people don't take their cell phones underwater.. IP 67 is fine for the majority of people on the planet.

    No Samsung phones aren't the best and never will be the best at everything. Samsung phones have just as many issues as other phones and that is the reality of this. People need to stop letting their personal preference blind them to the reality of this and stop spreading bs about a phone they have no first hand knowledge of. I have both of the current Flagships.. They obviously don't and only want to cut HTC down.

    The u11 is a better phone than any Samsung phone currently available on everything it can do that's been discussed.

    The Samsung has the best amoled screen on the market.. Not the best LCD screen. Just being amoled does not mean BEST especially on this size of display.

    The Samsung has the most and best features on the market.. Nope.. They may have the most, but certainly not the BEST and these features are considered by most to be bloat and get disabled. Think Package Disabler here...

    Samsung's are bad at nothing.. Really.. I got news for anyone that believes this nonsense , they are very bad at a lot of things and we've (I) already pointed them out to you.

    Other phones are bad or inferior because they lack features that the Samsung's have.. Reality check... Like what.. It's curved screens that you can't protect , it's batteries that blows up.. It's UI that is gaudy with it's inaccurate colors.. All of the bloat that has to be removed or disabled or it starts to studder.. Has people forgotten that the app Package Disabler was developed specifically for Samsung phones to rid them of all the bloat and not just the carrier bloat.. How about It's atrocious sounding speakers and Dacs..these are superior to the u11? Sorry dudes step away from the Kool-aid.

    As a actual owner of the HTC u11 and the Samsung's s8's.. I counter this bs with the truth..


    Mac
    AMOLEDs are definitely better looking than LCDs. Using an LCD trades AMOLED burn-in for annoying LCD light bleed. Samsung phones have the best displays of any phones. That's just a fact. Everyone agrees on that. If you like LCD, that's fine, but the U11's LCD isn't a better display by any means. AMOLEDs have perfect blacks, do Always On Displays right, and visual quality isn't diminished by viewing angles (especially when wearing polarized sunglasses).

    - Screen on times between the Galaxy S8 and HTC U11 are basically the same. Samsung phones drain battery faster in idle, but that doesn't matter to everyone.

    Everyone notices when a phone doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack. Not having one is a big omission. Headphone quality with the U11 is worse than the Galaxy S8. According to PocketNow, the U11 headphone audio has more noise, less dynamic range, and same amp power. The Galaxy S8 sounds better with headphones. Yeah, the HTC U11 has better external audio, but most people, including myself, don't care about dual speakers as long as the single speaker has reasonable volume. The IP rating does affect the speaker quality as well. The Galaxy S8 is better sealed up than the HTC U11 to earn the better water-resistance rating.



    It is more practical to have smaller bezels, not larger bezels. Having smaller or no bezels makes the phone size smaller, which means that big phones will fit better in your pocket. It is bizarre to me that you hold your phone by the bezels. I don't think I have ever held a phone by the bezels. Bezels are completely unnecessary. You don't need bezels to hold onto your phone comfortably with no issues. The design is outdated.


    Yes, the HTC UI is boring. It looks boring and lacks features. Yes, IP67 is fine. IP68 is better.


    Most of the Samsung features are NOT bloat and are not considered bloat. Is the ability to change your resolution and performance to increase battery life bloat? What about Knox security? Iris scanner? Samsung Pay? DeX? Wireless charging?

    Yeah, Samsung's curved display hurts its durability. So does the shape of the HTC U11's screen. Both are fine with a case.

    The Samsung battery thing was blown out of proportion. It was basically just one phone and Samsung changed the batteries so they can't explode anymore. I saw a video where someone actually cut into the battery on accident using a power tool and the battery didn't burn up.

    Samsung's UI isn't gaudy. It's classy and beautiful.

    Samsungs are the best overall phones. Android Central literally posted an article 2 days ago called "Best Android Phones of 2017" where they list the Galaxy S8 as "Best Overall" and they aren't the only one that thinks so. Oh and the Galaxy S8 recently won "Best Smartphone" at Mobile World Congress Shanghai and before that the Galaxy S7 Edge won for "Best Smartphone of 2016"
    https://www.androidcentral.com/best-...&utm_source=ac

    Samsung Galaxy S8 and S8+ Named 'Best Smartphone' at MWC Shanghai 2017
    07-05-2017 05:05 PM
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