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- so we got December 1st security patch instead of December 5th which had more bug fixes. in less correct me if I'm wrong that is only for the pixels I think the battery hopefully bug fix was in the December 1st security patch. if I'm experiencing battery life problems still should I do chassis partition wipe and then if I'm still experiencing a bit of battery life problems should I have been do a factory reset. just trying to figure out but I probably should give a couple days since I just did the update at about 1 in the morning. hope my battery life improve the next couple days getting tired of having to charge my phone and middle of the day. I'm curious on if anyone else had battery problems after upgrading to 8.0. is after doing me security update which was supposed to have some of those fixes in it. if anyone has seen improvements.01-11-2018 01:54 PMLike 0
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Anybody else seeing that?01-18-2018 09:29 PMLike 0 - I just commented in the other update thread, this is a better place to post this: my battery life actually went down significantly after the December update. I was usually at 50-60% remaining at the end of the day with my usual usage, and now I'm less than 30 by 8PM when barely using the phone. And I'm 100% certain the drop happened after the update.
Anybody else seeing that?01-19-2018 07:31 AMLike 0 -
- That is true sometimes it is necessary to factory data reset your phone. But you shouldn't have to. I'm at 75% and barely use my phone I've only been unplugged about an hour and 15 minutes but having such bad battery life since the 8.0 update. I haven't seen any change in December security patch. So once I find time I may have to factory data reset. I mean it doesn't take that long and only takes about 2 hours now and if it does help and that's all that matters. But you really shouldn't have to. I may have to find time in a week or two so for now good thing there's portable chargers. Because I did factory reset my phone after the 8.0 update. and that did not help.01-20-2018 01:02 PMLike 0
- That is true sometimes it is necessary to factory data reset your phone. But you shouldn't have to. I'm at 75% and barely use my phone I've only been unplugged about an hour and 15 minutes but having such bad battery life since the 8.0 update. I haven't seen any change in December security patch. So once I find time I may have to factory data reset. I mean it doesn't take that long and only takes about 2 hours now and if it does help and that's all that matters. But you really shouldn't have to. I may have to find time in a week or two so for now good thing there's portable chargers. Because I did factory reset my phone after the 8.0 update. and that did not help.
"People seem to forget, everything needs maintenance. People say, "well I paid xxx amount of dollars on a phone, it should just work". Ok well, people also pay thousands of dollars for granite countertops and guess what, they require maintenance. People pay millions for IT solutions, servers, techs and all that. Guess what, every computer and server needs maintenance. Your phone is no different. If you can't learn how to maintain your phone then maybe buy a flip phone. My m9, aside from a little battery degradation, runs as it did the day I got it. It is my universal remote and my 8 year olds mp3 player. My 10 is mine and/or my wife's backup phone and a home Media device as I use it for most of my casting to the CC or fire stick. Learn how to maintain your.devices and they'll last a very long time."
Your device requires maintenance. A lot of the times, performance issues have to do with ART(the runtime service that provides the digital environment required for.your apps to run)
The update happens and something goes wrong in the environment which causes the software to send out erroneous packets and wake locks.. Therefore consuming battery life. Sometimes your apps aren't on the same API level as the new update and the app isn't optimized. Therefore, constantly running in the background, wake locks, buggy performance, etc, etc... My point is, probably 80% percent of the time, the lack of performance is do to Google's own runtime environment or the apps you use.01-20-2018 02:41 PMLike 0 - So you're saying you should never have to maintain your devices software or hardware? I posted this in another thread.vvvvvvvvvvvvv
"People seem to forget, everything needs maintenance. People say, "well I paid xxx amount of dollars on a phone, it should just work". Ok well, people also pay thousands of dollars for granite countertops and guess what, they require maintenance. People pay millions for IT solutions, servers, techs and all that. Guess what, every computer and server needs maintenance. Your phone is no different. If you can't learn how to maintain your phone then maybe buy a flip phone. My m9, aside from a little battery degradation, runs as it did the day I got it. It is my universal remote and my 8 year olds mp3 player. My 10 is mine and/or my wife's backup phone and a home Media device as I use it for most of my casting to the CC or fire stick. Learn how to maintain your.devices and they'll last a very long time."
Your device requires maintenance. A lot of the times, performance issues have to do with ART(the runtime service that provides the digital environment required for.your apps to run)
The update happens and something goes wrong in the environment which causes the software to send out erroneous packets and wake locks.. Therefore consuming battery life. Sometimes your apps aren't on the same API level as the new update and the app isn't optimized. Therefore, constantly running in the background, wake locks, buggy performance, etc, etc... My point is, probably 80% percent of the time, the lack of performance is do to Google's own runtime environment or the apps you use.
So are you telling me that I'm going to have to do a factory data reset every time I get update or security patch cuz I have only had two maybe do that three times out of six different Android phone that I have owned. Now I admit that Google has made it easier to restore your phone then before.01-20-2018 04:05 PMLike 0 - Yes. Maintenance. Phones from the previous years aren't as complicated back then. Hell, Dalvik could probably handle things better when ART first came out, but ART was the next step. ART brought AoT. It's just that the processes these CPUs use to do all the things you want them to do have become exponentially more complicated. Hence the 64 bit architecture. Hence the smaller and smaller nM processes. If you have a software engineering degree then you should understand that this is becoming a windows-like OS. And guess what, all windows OSs require maintenance. The further and further we advance in this tech space, the more and more complicated things are going to get. That's how this works. Yes, in theory, they should just work. Real life and historical data tells me that it's only going to come with more and/or different hiccups along the way.01-20-2018 07:17 PMLike 0
- I am also seeing the same poor battery standby times after the December patch on my U11. After the Oreo update, battery life was was still as good as it was on Nougat - about 2 days of moderate use.
I first thought it was a few rogue apps including the Microsoft Launcher using 27% battery which I started using again after the December patch and Accuweather using excessive bluetooth scanning according to the Boost+ app. Uninstalling the MS Launcher yesterday helped but I removed AccuWeather a short time ago and I haven't noticed any improvements (maybe bluetooth scanning doesn't matter).
I have owned many HTC phones and you could call me a fanboy but I haven't had to FDR restore any of the them prior to selling them after upgrading to the newer models. I just hope it makes an improvement.01-20-2018 07:28 PMLike 0 - Yes. Maintenance. Phones from the previous years aren't as complicated back then. Hell, Dalvik could probably handle things better when ART first came out, but ART was the next step. ART brought AoT. It's just that the processes these CPUs use to do all the things you want them to do have become exponentially more complicated. Hence the 64 bit architecture. Hence the smaller and smaller nM processes. If you have a software engineering degree then you should understand that this is becoming a windows-like OS. And guess what, all windows OSs require maintenance. The further and further we advance in this tech space, the more and more complicated things are going to get. That's how this works. Yes, in theory, they should just work. Real life and historical data tells me that it's only going to come with more and/or different hiccups along the way.
However for my case when I got 8.0 I did do a factory reset that I did not help my battery problems I went through every troubleshooting in the book that you can go through such as clearing the cache partition of the phone. And even going as far as factory setting my phone. Then I waited for the December security patch which was supposed to fix battery issues. Like people who had pixel 2 and other Google phones were having and Google release 8.1 with December 5th security update. but we did not get that we got half the fixes. So you telling me that if I treat others there's always going to fix issues is wrong. I'm going to do it one more time because I don't have anything that would be Lose. But saying you have to do a factory data reset every time you get a security update is a ridiculous notion.01-20-2018 07:39 PMLike 0 - I never said you have to do a FDR "every time" you get a security update. What I'm saying is, sometimes it's necessary. You're looking for an argument where as I was looking to educate. Take it or leave it.01-20-2018 08:21 PMLike 0
- My apologies I was not looking for an argument. I understand maintenance and we're necessarily having to do a factory data reset like I'm going to try again it will be the second time in two to three months. And see how it does, I understand that you did an FDR after December security update and your battery life is better.01-20-2018 08:30 PMLike 0
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Part of me suspects it's due to a Spectre patch, but of course I have zero evidence for it. My own problem with doing an FDR is that I have the darn thing setup exactly as I want it -- all of the extraneous HTC Sense stuff turned off, my smartwatch configured perfectly (which is more of a pain than it should be), and the Alexa stuff optimized for me.
So again, just grrr. Not the end of the world, it's just I'm really busy this week and it's a bad time to both have poor battery life and need to do an FDR and get everything setup again. Another week and it wouldn't bug me so much. Toss in the fact that I'm not 100% certain the FDR will actually resolve the problem.01-21-2018 12:25 PMLike 0 - Yes, this is pretty much what I've seen -- it's simply using more battery on standby with no obvious culprit. And like you, my battery life remained excellent after Oreo and only fell off after the latest update.
Part of me suspects it's due to a Spectre patch, but of course I have zero evidence for it. My own problem with doing an FDR is that I have the darn thing setup exactly as I want it -- all of the extraneous HTC Sense stuff turned off, my smartwatch configured perfectly (which is more of a pain than it should be), and the Alexa stuff optimized for me.
So again, just grrr. Not the end of the world, it's just I'm really busy this week and it's a bad time to both have poor battery life and need to do an FDR and get everything setup again. Another week and it wouldn't bug me so much. Toss in the fact that I'm not 100% certain the FDR will actually resolve the problem.01-21-2018 06:36 PMLike 0 - Yes. Maintenance. Phones from the previous years aren't as complicated back then. Hell, Dalvik could probably handle things better when ART first came out, but ART was the next step. ART brought AoT. It's just that the processes these CPUs use to do all the things you want them to do have become exponentially more complicated. Hence the 64 bit architecture. Hence the smaller and smaller nM processes. If you have a software engineering degree then you should understand that this is becoming a windows-like OS. And guess what, all windows OSs require maintenance. The further and further we advance in this tech space, the more and more complicated things are going to get. That's how this works. Yes, in theory, they should just work. Real life and historical data tells me that it's only going to come with more and/or different hiccups along the way.01-21-2018 06:53 PMLike 0
- Personally, I don't have anything that requires restoration. I do have to re-login to everything, but I don't play games or anything like that. When I do a FDR(about over l, I never tap the option "restore from backup". I'd assume that feature should work. It's displayed at start up.01-22-2018 06:25 AMLike 0
- will I did the fdr and so far and put all my apps back and so far I am still having bad battery life I guess I am stuck. in less you know any thing else. now I have to sign into everything even though it didn't help the battery life kind of sucks hope they fix it soon with the next security update01-22-2018 01:00 PMLike 0
- will I did the fdr and so far and put all my apps back and so far I am still having bad battery life I guess I am stuck. in less you know any thing else. now I have to sign into everything even though it didn't help the battery life kind of sucks hope they fix it soon with the next security update01-24-2018 09:08 AMLike 0
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