- My problem with HTC is the same problem I have with LG. That is their strategy. At least in the case of LG their phones will be sold in carrier stores but no mention of such for HTC at the moment which could indeed change. But look at their launch events. Both LG and HTC bypassed any hoopla or live stream for their latest flagships completely eliminating the public from the experience of seeing the phones and features first-hand from the respective manufacturer. That to me is a BD move that does not imstill a lot of confidence that they believe in their product. Especially if you're not at the top of the hill. I feel like HTC and LG should be doing more to change that and it seems that maybe they've thrown in the towel. The HTC U12+ does look to be a serious contender however for 2018 but they did nothing to move us or really get us excited about the phone. This is all tied into a weak marketing strategy that has to change if they want to compete with the top dogs. I highly doubt that the general public will even know this phone exists if HTC doesn't get it in the places where people frequent. The physical stores. Is it just me or does anyone else agree that HTC has a lot of work to do to get this beast out to at least some of the masses?05-24-2018 04:40 PMLike 0
- RyModerator CaptainMy problem with HTC is the same problem I have with LG. That is their strategy. At least in the case of LG their phones will be sold in carrier stores but no mention of such for HTC at the moment which could indeed change. But look at their launch events. Both LG and HTC bypassed any hoopla or live stream for their latest flagships completely eliminating the public from the experience of seeing the phones and features first-hand from the respective manufacturer. That to me is a BD move that does not imstill a lot of confidence that they believe in their product. Especially if you're not at the top of the hill. I feel like HTC and LG should be doing more to change that and it seems that maybe they've thrown in the towel. The HTC U12+ does look to be a serious contender however for 2018 but they did nothing to move us or really get us excited about the phone. This is all tied into a weak marketing strategy that has to change if they want to compete with the top dogs. I highly doubt that the general public will even know this phone exists if HTC doesn't get it in the places where people frequent. The physical stores. Is it just me or does anyone else agree that HTC has a lot of work to do to get this beast out to at least some of the masses?
A public event won't make mainstream news like Apple and Samsung do.
These events cost money.
The US is a two-horse race. Apple and Samsung dominate. You have to compete with their marketing budgets.
Add in these factors:
- People still buy from carriers. No carrier deal? Assume DOA. Motorola, with their pricing, availability, and all-carrier support seems to be able to go against the grain here.
- People are holding onto their phones longer.
- Sales of older flagships, either used or refurbished, are growing.
And HTC hasn't been relevant in the smartphone world in years.Habiib likes this.05-24-2018 05:09 PMLike 1 - Very true points but even OnePlus hosted some kind of live stream event. I guess I just want to see HTC succeed and things like this aren't helping them. And I think Google will successfully and thankfully change the smartphone wars from being a two horsed race. The Pixel 3 will be my next phone. I really miss HTC Bei g more appreciated. But they've got to do something different.05-24-2018 05:16 PMLike 0
- RyModerator CaptainVery true points but even OnePlus hosted some kind of live stream event. I guess I just want to see HTC succeed and things like this aren't helping them. And I think Google will successfully and thankfully change the smartphone wars from being a two horsed race. The Pixel 3 will be my next phone. I really miss HTC Bei g more appreciated. But they've got to do something different.
https://www.counterpointresearch.com...rtphone-share/
Q1 2018
Apple 38%
Samsung 26%
LG 15%
ZTE 11%
Others 10% (<-Google's probably not even a majority here)05-24-2018 05:46 PMLike 0 - Regardless of how good the Pixel 3 or any other Google smartphone is, it's going to take a lot to make it a three horse race.
https://www.counterpointresearch.com...rtphone-share/
Q1 2018
Apple 38%
Samsung 26%
LG 15%
ZTE 11%
Others 10% (<-Google's probably not even a majority here)05-24-2018 05:55 PMLike 0 -
- RyModerator CaptainTrue but Google does have the brand recognition and the promise of an overall stellar performance because of the updates and security patches. The camera alone has helped Google make up some ground. And even if they haven't caught up in sales and marketshare, people are aware that they're one of the top brands in the smartphone world right now. And Google is marketing the heck out of the Pixel line which is positive going forward.
Buy any Android phone with Google Play Services and Google wins.05-24-2018 06:30 PMLike 0 - Exactly. The Pixel needs to be on all 4 major carriers to even cut into that share. Most consumers walk into a store and buy a phone from a commercial or talking to the reps. All of us on these forums are a tiny, tiny % of consumers, and it will take a lot to cut into the Apple and Samsung dominance.05-24-2018 09:33 PMLike 0
- Not to be the jerk in this discussion, however, it's not like any second place OEMs are going to just show up and tell carriers to shelve their devices. Even if any second place OEM had the money to out bid and pay more for the retail space, why should the carriers upset the status quo. The carriers responsibilities are to shareholders as they own the carriers. The owners don't care what brands are sold, just care that more devices are sold.
Another note... Didn't Alphabet/Google/Android purchase a big OEM division to help design and manage their device business last year? Aren't both of these devices sort of related if you think about it?holz75 likes this.05-25-2018 08:50 AMLike 1 - My problem with HTC is the same problem I have with LG. That is their strategy. At least in the case of LG their phones will be sold in carrier stores but no mention of such for HTC at the moment which could indeed change. But look at their launch events. Both LG and HTC bypassed any hoopla or live stream for their latest flagships completely eliminating the public from the experience of seeing the phones and features first-hand from the respective manufacturer. That to me is a BD move that does not imstill a lot of confidence that they believe in their product. Especially if you're not at the top of the hill. I feel like HTC and LG should be doing more to change that and it seems that maybe they've thrown in the towel. The HTC U12+ does look to be a serious contender however for 2018 but they did nothing to move us or really get us excited about the phone. This is all tied into a weak marketing strategy that has to change if they want to compete with the top dogs. I highly doubt that the general public will even know this phone exists if HTC doesn't get it in the places where people frequent. The physical stores. Is it just me or does anyone else agree that HTC has a lot of work to do to get this beast out to at least some of the masses?
I couldn't agree more! Coincidently, my father was asking me yesterday "why is HTC not as famous as Google/Samsung, this phone is extremely powerful" (about the U11 that I just purchased for him)... and in his mind google and Samsung are better because they are more famous! I didn't get him Samsung because I know they collect faults overtime, which is something my HTC never did!
Unfortunately many people are like that, and many ppl will drift away and not bother trying! It is not just about creating amazing phones, but it is about reaching to customers, and finding the most cost-effectives ways for doing this! Yes HTC doesn't have the same budget as Google/Samsung, but there is so much more they can do to improve their marketing... I shouldn't need to google "HTC" to find out about the U12, (which is basically what I did!)
I can't get past why they didn't do live streaming, how expensive is it compared to not selling out because people don't know about it?05-25-2018 01:35 PMLike 0 - I couldn't agree more! Coincidently, my father was asking me yesterday "why is HTC not as famous as Google/Samsung, this phone is extremely powerful" (about the U11 that I just purchased for him)... and in his mind google and Samsung are better because they are more famous! I didn't get him Samsung because I know they collect faults overtime, which is something my HTC never did!
Unfortunately many people are like that, and many ppl will drift away and not bother trying! It is not just about creating amazing phones, but it is about reaching to customers, and finding the most cost-effectives ways for doing this! Yes HTC doesn't have the same budget as Google/Samsung, but there is so much more they can do to improve their marketing... I shouldn't need to google "HTC" to find out about the U12, (which is basically what I did!)
I can't get past why they didn't do live streaming, how expensive is it compared to not selling out because people don't know about it?05-25-2018 01:48 PMLike 0 - Carriers in the US seem to being through a bit of a strange patch just now with quite a few handsets or manufacturers just not being offered. Nokia, HTC etc etc05-25-2018 01:59 PMLike 0
- In the US OEMs have to pay for shelf space as confirmed by HTC VP of Product Nigel Newbyhouse. He said it would drive up the phone price.
"The costs involved in securing a spot on store shelves are considerable. The likely result would be a more expensive phone.
Instead, the U12+ comes fully tested by each of the three carriers. You can get carrier-specific units in 64 GB form, or fully unlocked versions – compatible with all three networks – in 64 GB or 128 GB form."
via SlashGear. https://www.slashgear.com/htc-u12-pl...know-23531717/05-26-2018 10:31 AMLike 0 - In the US OEMs have to pay for shelf space as confirmed by HTC VP of Product Nigel Newbyhouse. He said it would drive up the phone price.
"The costs involved in securing a spot on store shelves are considerable. The likely result would be a more expensive phone.
Instead, the U12+ comes fully tested by each of the three carriers. You can get carrier-specific units in 64 GB form, or fully unlocked versions – compatible with all three networks – in 64 GB or 128 GB form."
via SlashGear. https://www.slashgear.com/htc-u12-pl...know-23531717/05-26-2018 12:05 PMLike 0 - In the US OEMs have to pay for shelf space as confirmed by HTC VP of Product Nigel Newbyhouse. He said it would drive up the phone price.
"The costs involved in securing a spot on store shelves are considerable. The likely result would be a more expensive phone.
Instead, the U12+ comes fully tested by each of the three carriers. You can get carrier-specific units in 64 GB form, or fully unlocked versions – compatible with all three networks – in 64 GB or 128 GB form."
via SlashGear. https://www.slashgear.com/htc-u12-pl...know-23531717/05-26-2018 12:08 PMLike 0 -
I'm hoping TMo won't block those. They seem to on some phones, but not on others. Hopefully since the U12+ was tested by carriers they won't block any available features. AT&T and Verizon are known to do that though.05-26-2018 12:16 PMLike 0 -
- Yup, that's a huge factor as to why I returned the XZ2. HTC has a great track record with ensuring the unlocked phones are properly certified. I don't know why they'd pull back now.05-26-2018 07:06 PMLike 0
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I'm just hoping that I didn't need to select my "carrier-specific unit" instead of unlocked.05-26-2018 07:11 PMLike 0 - I'm assuming the same way they block tethering. When the carrier's systems see the phone is trying to connect in an unapproved way, it blocks it. Carriers can check the IMEi of phones accessing its systems. If it's a non-approved device it blocks access to certain services.05-26-2018 08:55 PMLike 0
- At least on T-Mobile most unlocked phones do get WiFi calling and VoLTE. T-Mobile is not like AT&T where these features aren't available on unlocked phones. Sure there are few unlocked phones that don't have WiFi calling and VoLTE on T-Mobile like for example latest Sony XZ2 flagship but that's more of Sony fault and don't think TMobile is doing anything to block it. Heck even OnePlus 6 has VoLTE and WiFi calling on T-Mobile.
Overall I have been really happy buying using non carrier unlocked phones on T-Mobile. Been a while since I used a carrier crapped up branded phone and couldn't be more happier.
As for as sales, yeah it's going to hurt not being on carrier stores since people only buy carrier branded phones. Unless you are Samsung, carriers don't work with anyone else very well in the US. With Apple they don't have a choice, Apple treats the carriers like **** but the carriers have no power when it comes to Apple and have to carry them. For other Android OEMs they don't have the budget and market presence to push carriers (chicken and egg problem). At least in US it's a done deal between Samsung and Apple for majority sales. The niche knowledgeable market which is relatively small will probably shop around and willing to buy outside of carriers.
At least the U12+ is on Amazon, who have great customer service. I have placed my pre order from them, let's see how it goes once I've receive it in June.
PS: Yes there is LG, Motorola etc who have carrier relations in US. But they don't seem that great compared to Samsung, Apple.05-27-2018 04:07 AMLike 0 - See, I think more OEMs should start backing carriers in a corner as Apple does. I love that Apple has them in a position to be what they are, dumb pipes. All it would really take is for Samsung to stand up to them, then the smaller manufacturers would have a leg to stand on.bhatech likes this.05-27-2018 09:57 AMLike 1
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