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  1. Aquila's Avatar
    Thanks Walkop, I'll do my best to explain. It is a really good phone and OS so these are minor annoyances.

    USB access: I'd like to be able to just plug the phone in and work on the files there using the MS Explorer, Mac Finder or Ubuntu file manager. It's a hassle to have to use a proprietary app from Samsung (Kies) to communicate.

    Privacy: This seems to be a feature of all Android but becomes more of a concern as you put more data on your device. Every app wants permission to see your contacts, who you phone, write to your memory, use your GPS location and I can't see why, its not necessary on MacOS or Win or Linux. But if you want the app you have to sign your privacy away. There are also many apps which offer little more than the JB operating system and many that include adverts which is all insecure. Basically, google could see up your a******* if they ever felt like it.

    Browsing: I'd like to be able to use my same browser as I do on other devices. There's no reason why Firefox couldn't be allowed to give good efficiency, unless Chrome has access or compatibility to other features of Android.

    SD card is probably a hardware problem I suspect. I've had it with the same brand on another ph using GB too. Unless others have had similar message "SD card is damaged. Want to reformat ?"

    Anyway these are relatively minor problems.
    Only two things about some of these issues...

    You can set your phone to mount as a disk drive and use drag and drop. As far as I can tell, Kies is only useful if you are wanting to do an update via that update on a TouchWiz device.
    SD cards are no longer supported by Android. Devices that do include them are creating special code to do so, and it's creating tons of problems on Samsung devices where it is destroying the cards. There are many threads about that topic on these and other forums.

    I'm not completely sure why, but it seems to feel like it's a bit disingenuous to say Jelly Bean is bad based solely on a TouchWiz device that does a few things significantly differently than Android is meant to do them. Even in that case though, the features and improvements in efficiency are clear between every iteration of Android... I guess I'm not clear on how the 2010 version can be said to be a richer user experience than the 2012/2013 version. That seems more like attachment. It's obvious that Ice Cream Sandwich was worlds ahead of Gingerbread and Jelly Bean was a vast improvement upon ICS. As a Nexus user, maybe I'm just not experiencing issues that other Android Based devices have trying to update... but that just seems like more of a reason to buy Nexus devices than to try to cling to old version of TouchWiz or other Android based software with less features and performance optimization.
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    05-06-2013 08:32 PM
  2. Walkop's Avatar
    I'm not completely sure why, but it seems to feel like it's a bit disingenuous to say Jelly Bean is bad based solely on a TouchWiz device that does a few things significantly differently than Android is meant to do them. Even in that case though, the features and improvements in efficiency are clear between every iteration of Android... I guess I'm not clear on how the 2010 version can be said to be a richer user experience than the 2012/2013 version. That seems more like attachment. It's obvious that Ice Cream Sandwich was worlds ahead of Gingerbread and Jelly Bean was a vast improvement upon ICS. As a Nexus user, maybe I'm just not experiencing issues that other Android Based devices have trying to update... but that just seems like more of a reason to buy Nexus devices than to try to cling to old version of TouchWiz or other Android based software with less features and performance optimization.
    I too am a Nexus user, that's why I haven't really experienced the issues that Karearea has mentioned. With Nexus devices, USB access is basically instantaneous and simple as anything. Just drag-drop with almost no initial setup. As for browsing - I can use Dolphin, Firefox, Chrome, Chrome Beta, and they all perform solidly. I prefer Firefox Beta's smoothness to Dolphin, actually; the page load times are better on Dolphin and the UI is simpler, but Firefox just seems like a more polished browser overall.

    As for permissions...when you install an app on Windows, there IS User Account Control. However, that doesn't mean that an application does not have access to the file structure, your location, etc. Regardless, you need more hook-ins on a mobile device so that apps can be inter-compatible. Sharing between applications is a big part of Android, as you don't have such direct access to the file system and you can't manipulate files as well as you can on the computer (of course). I don't understand, myself, why so many apps need so many permissions - but alas, that's the way it is. Complain to developers, thats the only thing you can do, really. The latest versions of Android and updates to the Play Store have actually made these permissions MORE apparent to users, so be glad for these updates!

    My advice: Go Nexus. The 4 is an incredible device - fastest Android phone I've ever seen, and super-slick. You don't get great storage, sadly...but the price-to-performance and build quality is absolutely unbeatable. I would say only the One rivals it's build. Instant OS updates, a slick OS, and good app compatibility. You can't really go wrong, too much anyway.
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    05-07-2013 09:25 PM
  3. AndroidShark22's Avatar
    So far the latest version has 4.2 Jellybean has been the best for me. Each version has vastly improved from the last.

    4.0 was lightyears ahead of 2.3 and to be honest its the first version of stock Android i found plesent enough to use.

    From then on 4.1 offered a much smoother user experince, and Google Now intergration.

    4.2 again improived on this and offered the 3d panoramic camera (on Nexus devices anyway).

    All in all the latest and greatest is the best at the moment i personally think!
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    05-08-2013 09:53 AM
  4. Karearea's Avatar
    Only two things about some of these issues...

    You can set your phone to mount as a disk drive and use drag and drop. As far as I can tell, Kies is only useful if you are wanting to do an update via that update on a TouchWiz device.
    SD cards are no longer supported by Android. Devices that do include them are creating special code to do so, and it's creating tons of problems on Samsung devices where it is destroying the cards. There are many threads about that topic on these and other forums.

    I'm not completely sure why, but it seems to feel like it's a bit disingenuous to say Jelly Bean is bad based solely on a TouchWiz device that does a few things significantly differently than Android is meant to do them. Even in that case though, the features and improvements in efficiency are clear between every iteration of Android... I guess I'm not clear on how the 2010 version can be said to be a richer user experience than the 2012/2013 version. That seems more like attachment. It's obvious that Ice Cream Sandwich was worlds ahead of Gingerbread and Jelly Bean was a vast improvement upon ICS. As a Nexus user, maybe I'm just not experiencing issues that other Android Based devices have trying to update... but that just seems like more of a reason to buy Nexus devices than to try to cling to old version of TouchWiz or other Android based software with less features and performance optimization.

    Thanks Nothing Is. and Walkop

    Interestingly, back at work I've found that Win XP does read/write the Note 2 almost like a USB flash drive. Drag and drop - 100% good ! The only thing is I can't "eject" it like I'm supposed to. I'm guessing there is more security on Win7, MacOS and Ubuntu.

    Thanks also for the heads up on the problems a lot of people have had with the S3 and intermittent then permant loss of their SD cards. Your one liner summarises umpteen pages of unhappy postings:
    http://androidforums.com/samsung-gal...d-cards-8.html
    http://forums.androidcentral.com/sam...laxy-s3-5.html

    I didn't find a lot about the Note 2:
    http://forums.androidcentral.com/ver...roblems-3.html

    Evidently, dozens of people more knowledgeable than me have wrestled with this but for a start I'm going to make a point of: back up, no critical data on the SD card, feed it nice recharging electricity, avoid hard boots, close USB access properly. Fingers crosssed. Anyway, this is not a JB problem; it is just a cause of less than 100% satisfaction with my system as a whole.

    I had heard of Touchwiz but didn't realise it was compulsorily enabled on both my Gal mini 2 and Gal Note 2 (confirmed courtesy of wikipedia). Perhaps Touchwiz contributes to the awkward connectivity to desktop OS's ? I would prefer to use the standard Android but am not going to try and change round my system which works pretty well as it is.

    So, after another month of using the Note 2 and JB 4.1.2 / douchwiz my satisfaction rating is 90%.
    The 110% for GB / touchwiz on the mini 2 still stands but of course the scope of what I use it for is a fraction.
    05-16-2013 02:54 AM
  5. Ivy Vine's Avatar
    I have a T-Mobile GS2 (T989) with GB 2.3.6. I have been considering upgrading to JB 4.1.2 through Kies. I really want to, but I really like how reliable GB currently is. Never had a problem with it. I get conflicting reviews of JB on this device. I know I would definitely to a factory reset after installing which would most likely clear up many of the issues people have been getting after the update. But I would love to hear from people that are really into this stuff, should I stick with GB or will JB vastly improve my device? I love all the new features and I cannot compare to ICS since I never updated to that. It seems Kies will only show me the upgrade to JB and not ICS, I cannot install it another way due to having a mac and not being able to run Odin. I would also not be able to downgrade due to this, so the decision on whether to upgrade or not is much different than if I could easily downgrade if I found I did not like it.
    05-18-2013 08:35 PM
  6. Resendetra's Avatar
    I just got an update for Android 4.1.2 this morning on my Samsung Galaxy Rush, which was horrible when running on ICS, because it would lag and freeze daily (hourly even), so bad that sometimes when I would try to turn on the screen, it wouldn't do it. But I have noticed that ever since it was updated to Jelly Bean, the phone is running more smoothly and a lot faster, I have not encountered lag or even one freeze as of yet, which is kind of a miracle to me. But it always depends on the phone, one version could be great on a device, but put it on another device, it might hardly run.
    05-20-2013 06:38 PM
  7. Paul627g's Avatar
    I loved Gingerbread on my old Nexus S 4G. Of course lets be honest and say that was the device (Nexus S series) that shaped and evolved around Gingerbread. I still run pure AOSP Gingerbread 2.3.7 on my NS4G to this day even after running ICS and JB on it.

    Skip forward to my Sprint Galaxy Nexus and I like Android 4.2.2 Jelly Bean on it. It runs smooth and brings much to the table with the expanded notifications and other goodies.

    It comes down to personal preference and ultimately what your current device is developed to run on from the start. Sure it may handle the newer upgrades and OS releases but I still believe what it was designed around and released with in most cases suits it best.
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    05-20-2013 06:43 PM
  8. Resendetra's Avatar
    I have a T-Mobile GS2 (T989) with GB 2.3.6. I have been considering upgrading to JB 4.1.2 through Kies. I really want to, but I really like how reliable GB currently is. Never had a problem with it. I get conflicting reviews of JB on this device. I know I would definitely to a factory reset after installing which would most likely clear up many of the issues people have been getting after the update. But I would love to hear from people that are really into this stuff, should I stick with GB or will JB vastly improve my device? I love all the new features and I cannot compare to ICS since I never updated to that. It seems Kies will only show me the upgrade to JB and not ICS, I cannot install it another way due to having a mac and not being able to run Odin. I would also not be able to downgrade due to this, so the decision on whether to upgrade or not is much different than if I could easily downgrade if I found I did not like it.
    So let me get this straight, you're using a custom ROM, so therefore, you have to manually update to JB. I have heard mixed reviews also, a lot of people have said that it freezes their phones or they experience really bad lag. If you like GB, keep it, but if you really want to try JB, go for it. It's your choice, maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones that doesn't get the lag issue.
    05-20-2013 08:19 PM
  9. Ivy Vine's Avatar
    So let me get this straight, you're using a custom ROM, so therefore, you have to manually update to JB. I have heard mixed reviews also, a lot of people have said that it freezes their phones or they experience really bad lag. If you like GB, keep it, but if you really want to try JB, go for it. It's your choice, maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones that doesn't get the lag issue.

    No, I am currently using the version that came installed on my phone (and then updated with minor versions OTA by T-Mobile). I would be updating to JB with the official release by T-Mobile as well, but they have not been pushing new versions (ICS, JB) of android OS OTA, you have to connect your device to Kies and let it see there is an update and have Kies download and install it for you. It would be so much easier if they did update OTA and you could ask them to push an update (well downgrade) to an older firmware version if you wanted to go back. Custom ROMS would have to be installed using something like Odin, which apparently doesn't have a Mac version and can only be used with Windows (or possibly other non-Mac OS). I would only be dealing with the official updates/upgrades from T-Mobile.
    05-23-2013 01:22 AM
  10. Jasefase's Avatar
    I have an iPhone and iPad - the iPhone plays sky sports tv app for 4.99 per month as I don't have sky tv. However this app is not available on iPad. Frankly the picture is a little small as its on the iPhone
    I've been looking at a Samsung Galaxy S2 7 inch but I believe that the android version of sky sports tv doesn't work with jelly bean
    Does anyone have this app on a 7inch or larger galaxy etc and does it work with ice cream
    05-24-2013 02:40 PM
  11. HNNNNNGHHH's Avatar
    No, I am currently using the version that came installed on my phone (and then updated with minor versions OTA by T-Mobile). I would be updating to JB with the official release by T-Mobile as well, but they have not been pushing new versions (ICS, JB) of android OS OTA, you have to connect your device to Kies and let it see there is an update and have Kies download and install it for you. It would be so much easier if they did update OTA and you could ask them to push an update (well downgrade) to an older firmware version if you wanted to go back. Custom ROMS would have to be installed using something like Odin, which apparently doesn't have a Mac version and can only be used with Windows (or possibly other non-Mac OS). I would only be dealing with the official updates/upgrades from T-Mobile.
    If you can run virtual machine software on your Mac powered computer, you can try to "install" Windows to use ODIN from there and flash a custom recovery such as CWM or TWRP so you won't really need a PC to flash ROMs. Plus, most custom firmware are packaged into .zips nowadays, not really .IMG or tar.gz files anymore.

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    05-28-2013 04:58 AM
  12. gorwani12's Avatar
    Jelly Bean
    05-28-2013 06:47 AM
  13. portejw's Avatar
    I think I'm in the minority; I love GB. It was my first exposure to Android and I got comfortable with it. I kept hearing great things about ICS and the first round of roll-outs from Sprint were horrible. I reverted back to 2.3.6, rooted and CWM'd and have been happy. Tried ICS a few different times, but never liked it. Flashed Jellybean this morning and playing with it now. It's sort of quick, but battery life seems to be worse (yes, I wiped cache, factory reset). It just seems far less intuitive to me - though how much of that is actually the case vs how much is in my head because I'm still used to GB is the question.
    05-28-2013 08:10 PM
  14. Chris Collins4's Avatar
    I thought I had to step in here with my thoughts.

    I have seen reviews and comments all over the web how great ICs is (and JB after ICS).

    However I am sitting here scratching my head.

    My experience is as follows.

    Every update of android from google seems to serve to increase integration with cloud and remove privacy, so eg.

    On GB can disable sync globally from the settings for all apps etc. and can also disable all background network activity on apps.
    On ICS can still disable sync but can no longer disable background network activity.
    On JB neither can be done until after the account is added to the phone and its already started syncing the global option is removed.

    On GB can toggle animations, on JB this option is removed.

    GB has a better launcher can add shortcuts directly, on JB I can only toggle background/wallpaper etc.

    GB has a far superior dialer, ICS and JB I cannot only display phone numbers, I cannot remove pictures from display, I have less options to set per contact.

    GB and ICS I can clear all notifications in one go, JB the clear all button is gone I habe to swipe each one away.

    GB has a much better network unlock screen than both JB and ICS.

    GB whilst in calls has a good button layout, in ICS and JB its regressed significantly.

    GB and ICS can use wifi to detect location, on JB its now GPS only.

    I also have observed JB is noticebly laggier than ICS to use, I did benchmarks which gave noticebly lower read speeds on the sdcard, I then decided to do a new quadrant benhcmark, my galaxy S2 on JB barely scores higher than my galaxy ace on GB O_o. On ICS the socres are mighty high but JB has some pretty bad performance regressions.

    Phone runs very hot in JB Cool in ICS/GB.

    The only advantage I see with ICS and especially JB is if you happen to need one of the few new features that they add, and they are very niche features. Also maybe if you need to use a ICS/JB only app eg. chrome is ICS+ only. I do see lots of people saying they better but they never really say why, simply saying "new features" is too vague because all I see is cut features not new ones.
    06-01-2013 08:55 AM
  15. HNNNNNGHHH's Avatar
    When it comes to stock firmware, new is better. (Nexus users benefit from this fact)

    However, when it comes to custom firmware (ROMs), it doesn't always apply. For example, CM10.1 nightlies, M-Snapshots and Release Candidates may be more cutting-edge than older builds but are filled with bugs, whereas stable builds are (almost) completely usable as a daily driver. (CM10 stable on my SGSII works perfectly, but CM10.1 is significantly slower, even though it uses newer code.)

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    06-01-2013 09:34 PM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    I imagine JB on an S2 probably does suck. Try it out on an S4 and compare that to GB on an S2.
    06-01-2013 09:37 PM
  17. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    I just got an update for Android 4.1.2 this morning on my Samsung Galaxy Rush, which was horrible when running on ICS, because it would lag and freeze daily (hourly even), so bad that sometimes when I would try to turn on the screen, it wouldn't do it. But I have noticed that ever since it was updated to Jelly Bean, the phone is running more smoothly and a lot faster, I have not encountered lag or even one freeze as of yet, which is kind of a miracle to me. But it always depends on the phone, one version could be great on a device, but put it on another device, it might hardly run.
    Many times clearing the phone's cache helps with hiccups from updates. But also to answer this thread, I think JB is the best so far, but the OS to introduce the best features is ICS.

    Sent from a M.O.A.R. Galaxy S3
    06-01-2013 10:27 PM
  18. dart4605's Avatar
    Although, there is no difference between any OS of Android, but I still have a doubt which OS is better from their functionalities and features?
    I upgraded from ICS to JB on my HTC One X. I think the problems far outweigh the benefits. The Wifi bug is the biggest annoyance.
    06-04-2013 02:41 PM
  19. mremoji's Avatar
    Rooting >>> all. lol.
    06-04-2013 04:29 PM
  20. dart4605's Avatar
    Yeah, mine's a lot faster and smoother. And battery life is much, much better.
    My HTC One X is NOT any faster with JB over ICS. The battery life is noticeably shorter with JB too. JB created new problems - the biggest of which is the WiFi bug.
    06-05-2013 12:16 PM
  21. HNNNNNGHHH's Avatar
    I imagine JB on an S2 probably does suck. Try it out on an S4 and compare that to GB on an S2.
    Depends on the build of Jelly Bean. JB 4.1 works GREAT, especially on AOSP-based ROMs like CM10. (Stock TouchWiz on 4.1.2 is significantly faster than 4.0.4 ICS TouchWiz)

    Then again, I've seen better performance when it comes to JB 4.2 on the SGSII. It may either be due to hardware limitations, ROM coding, or the official JB 4.2 source code that Google released.

    Either way, users with older legacy devices should all be so lucky that their phone still has some life in it thanks to the numerous devs out there working to get the latest android version working on them.
    06-05-2013 09:50 PM
  22. chriswhittaker's Avatar
    I think it really matters what device (as already stated), and which JB your on. If your on 4.2.x on like a nexus 7 or something, then i would agree with you 100%, JB sucks. My nexus 7 was upgraded from 4.1.x to 4.2.x, and it really sucked. I hated it till it was finally updated to 4.3.x, then most of the problems were gone. I have the Droid DNA (HTC on VZW) running 4.1.1 (with Sense 4+ over it obviously) and its great.
    09-11-2013 06:29 PM
  23. gollum18's Avatar
    You also have to account for the fact that each OHA member as well as non OHA member companies tweak their version of android differently.

    As we've seen with the galaxy line, lots of features doesn't mean stability and performance. As opposed to something like the moto x and new droid lineup, those phones have very little tweaks (aside from carrier) and they are practically bugless.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
    09-11-2013 07:21 PM
  24. Habib Razak's Avatar
    Hi
    Good morning i have changed mi IMEI number
    and i dont have sim card`s signle
    please help me and tell me how to repair it
    11-01-2013 08:55 PM
  25. Shinkenred's Avatar
    Okay...here goes my spin on it from the OS that I personally experienced.
    Froyo: Clean...stable...not exactly the fastest, but runs like pure crap on devices like the Sanyo/Kyocera Zio.
    Gingerbread: Stock GB sucks whale balls when it comes to battery life! Every device I used it on has absolutely abysmal battery life. ROMs, however, are another matter. CM7 & Joylicious Optimus on the LG Optimus S both sip battery instead of guzzling it, and Stripped/Strapped for the ZTE Score is pretty nice, too.
    Ice Cream Sandwich: Ahhh, The SAMMICH. Back to fairly bad battery life if I'm doing anything other than listening to music. Ironically, as ROMs improved, so did battery life. The functionality is simpler by comparison for me, too.
    Jellybean: A bit sluggish, even with SlimBean installed. I could care less about 4.2, as the only thing from there I like was the lock screen clock widget.

    Posted via Android Central App
    11-22-2013 07:10 PM
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