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  1. Errol Macy 1's Avatar
    I would disagree with the "at best" part, for two reasons. 1) The industry is almost unanimously moving towards sealed batteries and there are reasons for doing so. So on that point, there's obviously a debate that can be had - and that's at the very least, even if we were to assume that the majority of people disagree with those reasons (and they don't). 2) I believe that if you spent 5 minutes or so trying to reason what my reasons for preferring sealed batteries might be, you could probably come up with some arguments, even if you don't personally buy into them as much as your own counterpoints. That would also indicate that there are differing opinions that could reasonably be compared and contrasted.

    But that said, I don't think "it makes a device inherently better" is my argument.
    03-29-2017 05:45 PM
  2. Errol Macy 1's Avatar
    It seems the Note 7 alone could be counted as millions of phones that would not have had problems if the Battery had been removable. and if it did by chance still have the problem it would have been easily remedied
    03-29-2017 05:49 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    It seems the Note 7 alone could be counted as millions of phones that would not have had problems if the Battery had been removable. and if it did by chance still have the problem it would have been easily remedied
    Strongly disagree. I think it would have cost Samsung billions more if it was removable and if they'd tried to only recall batteries. Because they didn't know what the issue was and they didn't know that their second wave of batteries also had a fatal flaw. We'd be talking about batteries exploding in pockets, cradles, etc. We'd likely have many severe injuries or deaths plus Samsung Mobile on the way to bankruptcy if they were that stupid.
    03-29-2017 05:58 PM
  4. Errol Macy 1's Avatar
    Strongly disagree. I think it would have cost Samsung billions more if it was removable and if they'd tried to only recall batteries. Because they didn't know what the issue was and they didn't know that their second wave of batteries also had a fatal flaw. We'd be talking about batteries exploding in pockets, cradles, etc. We'd likely have many severe injuries or deaths plus Samsung Mobile on the way to bankruptcy if they were that stupid.
    I thought there problem was caused by packing to much battery in too tight a sealed space.
    Physicaly impossible with a removable.
    The reason phones with removables tend to have smaller batteries than equally sized sealed phones.
    Historical side note. There have been ip ratings on phones with removable backs.
    03-29-2017 06:25 PM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    I thought there problem was caused by packing to much battery in too tight a sealed space.
    Physicaly impossible with a removable.
    The reason phones with removables tend to have smaller batteries than equally sized sealed phones.
    Historical side note. There have been ip ratings on phones with removable backs.
    That's what the speculation was, but turned out to actually be flaws in the batteries themselves. But the larger point was that the recall decision was made with no knowledge of what the exact issue was, meaning they had no idea whether or not replacing the battery could solve the problem. Even if it was removable, without that certainty, they couldn't justify only recalling the battery rather than the device.
    03-29-2017 07:13 PM
  6. Mike Dee's Avatar
    That's what the speculation was, but turned out to actually be flaws in the batteries themselves. But the larger point was that the recall decision was made with no knowledge of what the exact issue was, meaning they had no idea whether or not replacing the battery could solve the problem. Even if it was removable, without that certainty, they couldn't justify only recalling the battery rather than the device.
    I'm thinking true for first recall, possibly not true after second recall. We would have to see a timeline with facts to know for sure when they knew what they knew.
    03-29-2017 09:26 PM
  7. xavier X's Avatar
    I would think it is safe to say a removable battery is not the driving for LG. I am sure it is a perk and for some it is a must have but I doubt majority buy simply for that one reason alone.
    It's the reason I switched from Samsung to the LG G5. Really, that was the only difference that made me switch. I love having a removable battery, never having to worry about charging.

    Make me a phone with a sealed battery that lasts a good day and a half with heavy use and I'll buy it. In a year the battery will only be good for a day but that will still be good. In the meantime I'm hoping that LG keeps the removable battery in the V30.
    04-11-2017 02:11 PM
  8. xavier X's Avatar
    I thought there problem was caused by packing to much battery in too tight a sealed space.
    Physicaly impossible with a removable.
    The reason phones with removables tend to have smaller batteries than equally sized sealed phones.
    Historical side note. There have been ip ratings on phones with removable backs.
    Yep, I loved my Samsung Galaxy S5, IP67 rating with removable back and swappable battery. God forbid it had a plastic back, oh the horrors! I hate the iPhone, or more accurately the reviewers and media for creating the whole idiotic "premium look and feel" that all the lemmings had to follow... It's a phone, ABS plastic is a far superior material to make the shell than metal or even stupider, glass.
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    04-11-2017 02:24 PM
  9. rushmore's Avatar
    Seems replaceable batteries are done. The V20 did not sell enough to justify keeping it, even though the Note 7 gave it some sales.

    I love my Note 4 and replaceable battery, but the industry does not like people keeping devices beyond two years on average. Sealed batteries force a shorter retirement cycle and that is what the industry wants.

    If the V20 sold millions, perhaps different outcome.
    04-11-2017 02:52 PM
  10. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Seems replaceable batteries are done. The V20 did not sell enough to justify keeping it, even though the Note 7 gave it some sales.

    I love my Note 4 and replaceable battery, but the industry does not like people keeping devices beyond two years on average. Sealed batteries force a shorter retirement cycle and that is what the industry wants.

    If the V20 sold millions, perhaps different outcome.
    It's not gone yet
    04-11-2017 03:28 PM
  11. ABOSWORTH007's Avatar
    I'm guessing that LG will ditch the removable battery on the V30. It's definitely something I can live without but I get why some like it. I just don't find that I am in a place where I am not able to charge the phone if I need to. I have chargers in my house, at work and in my car and those are the places that I am most of the time. If I know I'm going somewhere where I won't have access to power, I have a power pack or I just charge up beforehand.

    It bothers me more that a few years ago, most top android phones had IR blasters and now, very few do. Admittedly, it's not a feature that I use a heck of a lot but I do find it really convenient when I do use it. I'm guessing the V30 will not have this feature either.
    04-12-2017 08:00 AM
  12. flyingkytez's Avatar
    I'm guessing that LG will ditch the removable battery on the V30. It's definitely something I can live without but I get why some like it. I just don't find that I am in a place where I am not able to charge the phone if I need to. I have chargers in my house, at work and in my car and those are the places that I am most of the time. If I know I'm going somewhere where I won't have access to power, I have a power pack or I just charge up beforehand.

    It bothers me more that a few years ago, most top android phones had IR blasters and now, very few do. Admittedly, it's not a feature that I use a heck of a lot but I do find it really convenient when I do use it. I'm guessing the V30 will not have this feature either.
    I guess I'll be okay​ with them sealing the especially since phones now days are efficient, however, I love the convenience of swapping batteries and prefer them over wireless charging (which can reduce your batteries lifespan). With the Galaxy S8 you can the new smaller advanced SD 835 chip, AND the ability to reduce the screen resolution to conserve battery. Bigger battery is not needed either.
    04-14-2017 01:08 AM
  13. ABOSWORTH007's Avatar
    I guess I'll be okay​ with them sealing the especially since phones now days are efficient, however, I love the convenience of swapping batteries and prefer them over wireless charging (which can reduce your batteries lifespan). With the Galaxy S8 you can the new smaller advanced SD 835 chip, AND the ability to reduce the screen resolution to conserve battery. Bigger battery is not needed either.
    I like being able to pull the battery as a method of resetting the phone. Whenever it starts acting strange, I'll do a battery pull. I usually do it like once a week just for the hell of it. Definitely looking forward to see what the V30 will bring. I like the LG environment much more than Samsung.
    04-14-2017 05:38 AM
  14. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I'll tolerate a sealed battery if I can get to it by popping a few screws and easily open everything up. Note, I say tolerate, not like it. That way if/when the battery itself goes kaput, I can replace it myself. Seems like the places around here only like to work on Apple and Samsung, and I don't see why I should pay the manufacturer upwards of $100 or whatever to replace a $10 part.
    04-14-2017 06:39 AM
  15. bahee's Avatar
    I have owned Samsung galaxy s phones, seemingly, forever. Currently using an S4 since the S5 does not have a removable battery, so did not get the upgrade. Stuck with an older model even though it's a refurbished phone. Two features I require in a phone are a removable battery and a removable SD card. I own many S4 (some S3 since they are smaller but will fit the S4) batteries, some are extended for more using time. Any suggestions for an LG phone with a removable battery? I use Sprint. Thanks for your suggestions. Barbara. 04.15.2017
    04-15-2017 07:29 AM
  16. mrdave570's Avatar
    Yes Barbara, the LG V20 has both removable battery and a removable mini SD card slot. This phone can handle a 2 Terabyte mini SD card. Get a second battery and charger on Amazon so you can walk around without a portable phone charger.
    04-17-2017 03:28 PM
  17. huskeryogi's Avatar

    I've also asked you and others to provide the pros and cons of a removable battery - a request that you and everyone else except Mooncatt has so far ignored. So as we have it, there are dozens of reasons an OEM would not want a removable battery and there is only one reason, brought up so far, that a consumer would want it to be removable, and that reason is actually argued against by at least two separate reasons you would want to seal it.
    Nine months of the year I sit at my desk and the removable battery issue is just a preference. Although I do like the option of being able to shutdown and remove the battery when the phone gets warm - it cools faster.

    October - December I help out in the field for the company I work for. The vehicles provided do not have power adapters so battery is the only option. Work is active so carrying around a battery pack is cumbersome at best (at worst I lose them). I'm frequently working in cold temperatures so the battery depletes faster than normal. Last year I was sent to help in a city/state I've never been before working 12-14 hour days. I don't know how I would have accomplished that without the maps on my cell phone and without my spare battery it would have been dead halfway through the day.

    So I only have 1 reason, but explain how I make a sealed phone work in that scenario. I also think you're drastically underestimating the number of people with active outdoor jobs who prefer removable batteries rather than having to carry around an external battery pack. Explain the benefit of making phones thinner when I have to carry an additional piece of hardware around with me all the time.
    04-20-2017 02:44 PM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    Nine months of the year I sit at my desk and the removable battery issue is just a preference. Although I do like the option of being able to shutdown and remove the battery when the phone gets warm - it cools faster.

    October - December I help out in the field for the company I work for. The vehicles provided do not have power adapters so battery is the only option. Work is active so carrying around a battery pack is cumbersome at best (at worst I lose them). I'm frequently working in cold temperatures so the battery depletes faster than normal. Last year I was sent to help in a city/state I've never been before working 12-14 hour days. I don't know how I would have accomplished that without the maps on my cell phone and without my spare battery it would have been dead halfway through the day.

    So I only have 1 reason, but explain how I make a sealed phone work in that scenario. I also think you're drastically underestimating the number of people with active outdoor jobs who prefer removable batteries rather than having to carry around an external battery pack. Explain the benefit of making phones thinner when I have to carry an additional piece of hardware around with me all the time.
    This would work perfectly for what you described:

    https://www.amazon.com/RAVPower-Port...cUvbUpU5772393

    You don't carry it around everywhere and have it plugged in all the time; leave it in the vehicle, charge while you're driving. This will charge all the mainstream flagship devices 5 to 6 times from zero to full, or for those who don't let it die, you're looking at 10-15 charge cycles. Remember, a 30 minute charge is currently worth 7-8 hours of "mixed usage", whatever that means. So if the maps are in any way being used in conjunction with driving, that's a pretty easy thing to solve for. If not, charging while driving to the site and charging during a 10 minute break a couple of times would be enough to meet the 12-14 hours you're talking about, and then some.
    04-20-2017 03:03 PM
  19. huskeryogi's Avatar
    This would work perfectly for what you described:

    https://www.amazon.com/RAVPower-Port...cUvbUpU5772415

    You don't carry it around everywhere and have it plugged in all the time; leave it in the vehicle, charge while you're driving. This will charge all the mainstream flagship devices 5 to 6 times from zero to full, or for those who don't let it die, you're looking at 10-15 charge cycles. Remember, a 30 minute charge is currently worth 7-8 hours of "mixed usage", whatever that means. So if the maps are in any way being used in conjunction with driving, that's a pretty easy thing to solve for. If not, charging while driving to the site and charging during a 10 minute break a couple of times would be enough to meet the 12-14 hours you're talking about, and then some.
    I'm trying not to say where I work, but it's delivery work. In the car for less than a min then on to the next house/business. And every "fast" charger I've ever had was misleading. I'd put it on the charger at 30% and 20 min later it's 90% full, but it goes back down to 30% almost immediately.

    Why are you so invested in people NOT having a removable battery option? Since seeing the renders of the V30, I know I'm going to buy a V20 when my contract expires and a ton of spare batteries so I can delay being forced on to a non-removable phone as long as possible. From reading this thread it seems like most people who prefer that option recognize there are trade-offs. I'm never planning to go swimming with my phone and I don't care if the back is plastic (I put it in a case anyway). Why does it bother you that I want something different in a phone than you do?
    04-20-2017 03:12 PM
  20. Aquila's Avatar
    I'm trying not to say where I work, but it's delivery work. In the car for less than a min then on to the next house/business. And every "fast" charger I've ever had was misleading. I'd put it on the charger at 30% and 20 min later it's 90% full, but it goes back down to 30% almost immediately.

    Why are you so invested in people NOT having a removable battery option? Since seeing the renders of the V30, I know I'm going to buy a V20 when my contract expires and a ton of spare batteries so I can delay being forced on to a non-removable phone as long as possible. From reading this thread it seems like most people who prefer that option recognize there are trade-offs. I'm never planning to go swimming with my phone and I don't care if the back is plastic (I put it in a case anyway). Why does it bother you that I want something different in a phone than you do?
    It doesn't bother me at all; you quoted me and so I was offering a potential solution to the issue you described. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
    04-20-2017 03:19 PM
  21. huskeryogi's Avatar
    It doesn't bother me at all; you quoted me and so I was offering a potential solution to the issue you described. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
    My best estimate would be that 25% of the posts on this thread are you arguing with people who want removable battery functionality. There are some very long detailed posts and a significant time investment for someone who isn't bothered.

    I saw industry estimates a couple years ago that put the desire for a removable battery at 20% of the market. That's a significant enough population to warrant consideration yet all the manufacturers are moving away from it. It's hard not to think planned obsolescence isn't the goal.

    I switched from Samsung to LG so I could keep a removable battery. If LG loses that option, I have no incentive to stay with them.
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    04-21-2017 07:50 AM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    My best estimate would be that 25% of the posts on this thread are you arguing with people who want removable battery functionality. There are some very long detailed posts and a significant time investment for someone who isn't bothered.

    I saw industry estimates a couple years ago that put the desire for a removable battery at 20% of the market. That's a significant enough population to warrant consideration yet all the manufacturers are moving away from it. It's hard not to think planned obsolescence isn't the goal.

    I switched from Samsung to LG so I could keep a removable battery. If LG loses that option, I have no incentive to stay with them.
    I spend a lot of time arguing that people should buy whatever it is that they like themselves and to hell with everyone else's opinion.

    In this thread, I'm presenting a case for why I believe that nonremovable is better and most of the text is responding to those who are unwilling to accept any reasoning that contradicts their own use case. If you read carefully, you can see​that it's mostly pushing for honest reasoning, not pushing for conformity.

    I am not suggesting that they should or shouldn't want anything, I'm making a case for why the industry is moving away from a feature and why I agree with that direction.
    04-21-2017 08:01 AM
  23. Salt Trader's Avatar
    I don't know that is fact but I imagine many do. There are a lot of people that buy phones for strange reasons. Look at the majority of Iphone and Samsung customers. My ex wife, my daughter, ex girlfriends all have IPhones.... Two of my brothers buy Samsung....all of the dance moms and kids at my daughter's dance academy mostly have IPhones. None of them can tell you anything about phones except the brand name. Their are two coworkers at my job that have the G4.... They know nothing about phones. The Lan support employees have a mix of Android personal phones because being techies they hate Iphones. Their work phones are Iphone. Only us phone snobs that hang out in forums care about this feature or that feature. Trying explaining Quad DAC s to the average person or high end headphones. They pretend to understand but they could care less.
    To summarize, yes dumb people follow the crowds without any idea of where they are going. I would like to believe smart people buy features that they need. I for one need two things from a phone: 1: Expandable memory. 2: Replaceable battery.

    Why you ask, easy, I carry movies, books, emulators over 200 gigs. I go places internet is unavailable and no, cloud storage is not an option where I travel. (think open range, mountain area).

    On to number 2, I go place were a power source is not an option for multiple days. I replaceable battery allows me to change the power source and be on the move without having to deal with a battery bank.

    In addition, I just felt frustrated to no end trying to replace a battery from a Moto x pure (battery would die after a few hours). After having to deal with glue, badly placed screws and an enclosure that was never meant to be opened I decided to go with the LG V20 for the two reasons mentioned above.

    Yes, I do need the V30 to have a replaceable battery and expandable storage. Do I care if its IPX68, would be nice, but the my two wants above trump it every single time!

    For a device that cost 800+ US dollars I expect a lot more! I think the cell phone market is seriously gouging us poor consumers!
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    04-21-2017 11:20 AM
  24. Mike Dee's Avatar
    To summarize, yes dumb people follow the crowds without any idea of where they are going. I would like to believe smart people buy features that they need. I for one need two things from a phone: 1: Expandable memory. 2: Replaceable battery.

    Why you ask, easy, I carry movies, books, emulators over 200 gigs. I go places internet is unavailable and no, cloud storage is not an option where I travel. (think open range, mountain area).

    On to number 2, I go place were a power source is not an option for multiple days. I replaceable battery allows me to change the power source and be on the move without having to deal with a battery bank.

    In addition, I just felt frustrated to no end trying to replace a battery from a Moto x pure (battery would die after a few hours). After having to deal with glue, badly placed screws and an enclosure that was never meant to be opened I decided to go with the LG V20 for the two reasons mentioned above.

    Yes, I do need the V30 to have a replaceable battery and expandable storage. Do I care if its IPX68, would be nice, but the my two wants above trump it every single time!

    For a device that cost 800+ US dollars I expect a lot more! I think the cell phone market is seriously gouging us poor consumers!
    Ultimately I prefer removable for the convenience of going from zero to one hundred in seconds. You can also buy a bigger battery instead of swapping. I probably will upgrade in less than 2 years but I still like the idea of putting in a new battery in case I decide to keep it without have to tear the phone apart.
    04-21-2017 02:28 PM
  25. Aquila's Avatar
    To summarize, yes dumb people follow the crowds without any idea of where they are going. I would like to believe smart people buy features that they need. I for one need two things from a phone: 1: Expandable memory. 2: Replaceable battery.

    Why you ask, easy, I carry movies, books, emulators over 200 gigs. I go places internet is unavailable and no, cloud storage is not an option where I travel. (think open range, mountain area).

    On to number 2, I go place were a power source is not an option for multiple days. I replaceable battery allows me to change the power source and be on the move without having to deal with a battery bank.

    In addition, I just felt frustrated to no end trying to replace a battery from a Moto x pure (battery would die after a few hours). After having to deal with glue, badly placed screws and an enclosure that was never meant to be opened I decided to go with the LG V20 for the two reasons mentioned above.

    Yes, I do need the V30 to have a replaceable battery and expandable storage. Do I care if its IPX68, would be nice, but the my two wants above trump it every single time!

    For a device that cost 800+ US dollars I expect a lot more! I think the cell phone market is seriously gouging us poor consumers!
    Yep for your use case definitely sounds like you need it unless you're willing to use the other options.
    04-21-2017 04:11 PM
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