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  1. SupraLB's Avatar
    I see what you're saying, but where does it say no one else uses glass.
    Also being made of glass alone doesn't always make it better than plastic or polycarbonate.
    I read it one of the articles that I cant seem to find now. But essentially the lenses on tiny lenses like this are plastic due to the production difficulties.

    I don't think plastic lens have ever outperformed glass as far as clarity and less distortion on edges goes. Pretty sure nobody makes a DLSR lens of plastic. In sunglasses, there is a big difference in clarity and distortion from poly to glass as well.
    08-12-2017 07:38 PM
  2. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I read it one of the articles that I cant seem to find now. But essentially the lenses on tiny lenses like this are plastic due to the production difficulties.

    I don't think plastic lens have ever outperformed glass as far as clarity and less distortion on edges goes. Pretty sure nobody makes a DLSR lens of plastic. In sunglasses, there is a big difference in clarity and distortion from poly to glass as well.
    They do make some internal lenses in DSLRs out of plastic. I'm not saying plastic is as good as glass but its better than bad glass.
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    08-12-2017 07:52 PM
  3. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Sorry I meant the wide angle would be 2.4 last I heard.
    That's disappointing if they did that again.
    08-12-2017 08:44 PM
  4. GSDer's Avatar
    The main camera on the V20 is f1.8, so not really much of a leap there
    I guess if you don't consider a 25% increase in light (from 1.8 to 1.6) to be much of a leap...
    08-13-2017 01:18 AM
  5. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I didn't find any direct comparisons, but I did run across this article.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ado...-or-f14/%3famp

    It compares f1.8 to f1.4 DSLR lenses and mentions several downsides of the wider aperture. While maybe not 100% translatable to smartphones, it does make me wonder if any of those concerns start to show up in the V30. It'll also have a narrower depth of field, which can be good or bad depending on your use.

    I'm still not getting one, though, for other reasons and loss of features.
    08-13-2017 07:47 AM
  6. texn884's Avatar
    yes i like mine
    08-13-2017 08:10 AM
  7. SupraLB's Avatar
    Here are some more tidbits from LG's social blog. I'm also looking forward to the 13mp wide angle lens vs the 8mp V20 lens.

    Translated from Korean using my browser, so some of this might come out right. LG V30, F1.6 렌즈로 더 밝고 선명하게 찍는다 | Social LG전자


    LG Electronics will adopt next-generation dual-camera, which is brighter and clearer, by applying aperture value of F1.6, which is the highest level of smart phone, and glass lens to 'LG V30', the next strategic premium smartphone.

    The standard lens of the LG V30 rear dual camera has achieved a bright aperture of F1.6, the highest level of smartphone cameras ever. This is about 25% brighter than the F1.8 standard lens of the previous V20.

    The lower the F value [1] of the camera lens is, the larger the aperture is opened and the more light can be received. Therefore, the LG V30's F1.6 camera can capture brighter and more vibrant photos and images than ever before.

    In addition, the LG V30 is equipped with a glass clear lens (Crystal Clear Lens) for the first lens that directly accepts light among the six lenses that make up the rear standard lens in order to achieve optimal color and texture with the bright aperture value of F1.6 Crystal Clear Lens'.

    The glass lens has a higher visible light transmittance than conventional plastic lenses, making it possible to capture the detail of the subject more clearly, and more accurate color and realistic texture can be expressed, which is mainly used in high-end camera lenses such as DSLR.

    The LG V30 also upgraded the rear wide-angle camera, which is widely used when shooting wide-angle scenery or group photographs. The LG V30's low-distortion wide-angle camera adopts its own lens design technology and significantly improves edge distortion to 1/3 of the previous V20, making it possible to shoot more realistically.

    It is also advantageous in that you can take a group photo without a self-stick, with a wide-angle camera on the front like in previous works.

    Meanwhile, the LG V30 is a small module with a standard image size of 16 million pixels and a wide angle of 13 million pixels, reducing the contrast ratio by 30%. It has all of the features that allow you to shoot fast and steadily without jitter such as OIS, Optical Image Stabilization (EIS), Electronic Image Stabilization (EIS) and Laser Auto Focus.

    "LG V30 is equipped with the next generation dual camera that combines the best performance and usability," said Cho Jun-ho, president of LG's MC business division. "We will provide a new experience to easily shoot professional-quality images and images on smartphones." said.

    Quiet a bold statement there at the end!
    08-13-2017 09:07 AM
  8. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I didn't find any direct comparisons, but I did run across this article.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ado...-or-f14/%3famp

    It compares f1.8 to f1.4 DSLR lenses and mentions several downsides of the wider aperture. While maybe not 100% translatable to smartphones, it does make me wonder if any of those concerns start to show up in the V30. It'll also have a narrower depth of field, which can be good or bad depending on your use.

    I'm still not getting one, though, for other reasons and loss of features.
    The depth of field in the numbers we're talking about are minimal and have no noticeable effect
    08-13-2017 09:59 AM
  9. gustav30's Avatar
    Could depend on what sensor they end up going with as I think that will play a big factor. I think LG had done a great job with the small 1.1 micron pixel size they have been using but they could really squeeze a lot more light if they jumped on what Google, HTC and Samsung have done by ditching the 1.1 micron size and going for a bigger pixel like 1.4.
    I'd translate that into a smaller exposure window in lowlight shots which could lead to less blurry photos.
    But not saying what LG has been doing is bad as I get great lowlight shots with my V20.
    08-13-2017 10:45 AM
  10. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Could depend on what sensor they end up going with as I think that will play a big factor. I think LG had done a great job with the small 1.1 micron pixel size they have been using but they could really squeeze a lot more light if they jumped on what Google, HTC and Samsung have done by ditching the 1.1 micron size and going for a bigger pixel like 1.4.
    I'd translate that into a smaller exposure window in lowlight shots which could lead to less blurry photos.
    But not saying what LG has been doing is bad as I get great lowlight shots with my V20.
    No complaints here
    08-13-2017 10:46 AM
  11. SupraLB's Avatar
    I just downloaded the Google Camera software with HDR+. Someone just cracked it two days ago that you can install in any phone with our chipset. HDR+ much improved over standard HDR in just a few test shots I did here around the house. Of course thats just auto settings vs auto settings, but still had me impressed vs the LG software.

    The photos are less "over exposed" if that make sense, particularly if there is a lamp or light source in the background.

    https://www.xda-developers.com/googl...ra-hdr-ported/
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    08-13-2017 02:21 PM
  12. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I just downloaded the Google Camera software with HDR+. Someone just cracked it two days ago that you can install in any phone with our chipset. HDR+ much improved over standard HDR in just a few test shots I did here around the house. Of course thats just auto settings vs auto settings, but still had me impressed vs the LG software.

    The photos are less "over exposed" if that make sense, particularly if there is a lamp or light source in the background.

    https://www.xda-developers.com/googl...ra-hdr-ported/
    I'll have to check that out. Thanks! 😊
    08-13-2017 02:39 PM
  13. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I just downloaded the Google Camera software with HDR+. Someone just cracked it two days ago that you can install in any phone with our chipset. HDR+ much improved over standard HDR in just a few test shots I did here around the house. Of course thats just auto settings vs auto settings, but still had me impressed vs the LG software.

    The photos are less "over exposed" if that make sense, particularly if there is a lamp or light source in the background.

    https://www.xda-developers.com/googl...ra-hdr-ported/
    You lose the wide angle camera
    08-13-2017 05:52 PM
  14. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    You lose the wide angle camera
    You'd have to flip back and forth between camera apps...using this for more auto video and pictures and the regular app for wide angle, and manual mode for videos and pictures.

    I guess...we'll see.
    08-13-2017 06:06 PM
  15. Mike Dee's Avatar
    You'd have to flip back and forth between camera apps...using this for more auto video and pictures and the regular app for wide angle, and manual mode for videos and pictures.

    I guess...we'll see.
    I'll have to see...my results were ok with stock.
    08-13-2017 06:19 PM
  16. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'll have to see...my results were ok with stock.
    Agreed. I plan to test it out myself as well.
    08-13-2017 06:21 PM
  17. SupraLB's Avatar
    Its a big difference in quality with Google camera so far. At least twice the detail and much better colors. I'll see if I can put some shots together.

    You are right it doesn't use the wide angle, but the 8mp wide angle in low light is terrible anyways. It gets too noisy with the higher ISO.
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    08-13-2017 06:32 PM
  18. SupraLB's Avatar
    One tidbit i learned from another article ,was that leave the HDR+ in "on" mode, and not "auto". With "on", it is continuously taking photos of what you are looking at and adds that to the eventual shot taken. So its just more level of detail and photos to merge all into one. Auto is nicknamed HDR+ light because of that.

    I guess this deserve its own thread if you mods want to move it. Kind of getting of topic. Sorry!
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