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  1. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I agree but can't imagine how long that would take.
    That's what they should have done....they could have waited just a bit longer at this point and saved the cost of skinning 8.
    talon1189 likes this.
    08-17-2018 11:00 AM
  2. talon1189's Avatar
    Oreo has been out about a year now? It should be near bug free by the time we get it ๐Ÿ˜
    08-17-2018 11:17 AM
  3. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Oreo has been out about a year now? It should be near bug free by the time we get it
    Let me introduce you to the term "persistent beta." Nothing is ever bug free anymore. Lol
    08-17-2018 11:33 AM
  4. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Oreo has been out about a year now? It should be near bug free by the time we get it ๐Ÿ˜
    What's left aren't bugs.... they're features.
    08-17-2018 11:35 AM
  5. stackberry369's Avatar
    Let me introduce you to the term "persistent beta." Nothing is ever bug free anymore. Lol
    Even humans aren't bug free
    08-17-2018 07:16 PM
  6. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Even humans aren't bug free
    Nor should we. Many bugs are beneficial.
    08-17-2018 07:43 PM
  7. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Nor should we. Many bugs are beneficial.
    This conversation is starting to bug me.

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    08-17-2018 07:56 PM
  8. Bildriver's Avatar
    After a cpl. of weeks of oreo. Pretty much got it figured out. Most impressed w/battery life. It's been excellent. Thanks
    huntnyc likes this.
    08-20-2018 08:02 AM
  9. tickerguy's Avatar
    Biggest improvement in Oreo is the automatic demotion of processes when the phone goes into deep sleep. An app that wants to get around this has to intentionally do so and in a way you can detect and shut down (e.g. making itself exempt from battery management, which it must ASK FOR and can't force.) Same deal with notifications; the app must register for them and you can shut them off even if the app writer doesn't want you to (which lets you stop the app from spamming you with them.)

    There are a LOT of crappy app-writers -- even among "big name" apps.

    I have an Android app that runs my Home Control software (HomeDaemon-MCP); it's not in the store, but it required a bit of work to run on Oreo without being molested by these new features.
    huntnyc likes this.
    08-20-2018 09:02 AM
  10. gipper69's Avatar
    Bad idea for the short run for anyone using the device with their corporate apps. Pie is not certified, and premature upgrade will render those apps non-functional.
    flyingkytez likes this.
    08-21-2018 05:51 PM
  11. flyingkytez's Avatar
    Biggest improvement in Oreo is the automatic demotion of processes when the phone goes into deep sleep. An app that wants to get around this has to intentionally do so and in a way you can detect and shut down (e.g. making itself exempt from battery management, which it must ASK FOR and can't force.) Same deal with notifications; the app must register for them and you can shut them off even if the app writer doesn't want you to (which lets you stop the app from spamming you with them.)

    There are a LOT of crappy app-writers -- even among "big name" apps.

    I have an Android app that runs my Home Control software (HomeDaemon-MCP); it's not in the store, but it required a bit of work to run on Oreo without being molested by these new features.
    I thought that was already a feature in Nougat? Doze Mode? I guess this will completely force apps to freeze and hibernate, such as Facebook and FB messenger which somehow bypasses the hibernation and force push updates regardless of battery saving measures...
    08-24-2018 08:18 AM
  12. tickerguy's Avatar
    I thought that was already a feature in Nougat? Doze Mode? I guess this will completely force apps to freeze and hibernate, such as Facebook and FB messenger which somehow bypasses the hibernation and force push updates regardless of battery saving measures...
    Exactly -- an app that wishes to override the system's classification used to be able to "just do it"; it can't do that in Oreo and beyond. It can try to stick a foreground service (for example) but unless you authorize it specifically to do so even though it would otherwise post a notification it still can't make the service "stick." In addition even repeating alarms (which used to reliably allow an intent to be sent and thus an app to be "woken" or "activated") will be deferred despite the app's attempt to make it otherwise, UNLESS you specifically exempt the app from battery management.

    Further there are rules for Oreo-and-beyond for when you can include that privilege in the manifest (allowing the app to request it from the user in the first place) and if you submit an app that has that privilege in the manifest you have to justify why it's there. If what the app wants to do CAN be served by FCM (see below) it MUST use FCM, or Google won't approve it.

    The exception is that an app can register for what is called "Firebase" (FCM) which is a cloud-based notification system, and that goes through the system itself. However, high priority notifications (which can wake the device out of doze), if abused, now become something Google can detect since ALL such notifications go through their systems and they have fairly explicit developer rules on when it's legit to use those (e.g. for delivery of instant messages) and when it's not (e.g. other sorts of content, for the most part.)

    Same deal with notifications -- an app HAS TO register a channel to post them (if it doesn't then NOTHING goes through!) and once it does YOU have control over whether they are delivered, if vibrate works, if sound works, etc -- and the app CANNOT change it back. All it can do is send you to the system's app notification page (where you can make the changes) but it can't force them -- if you turn 'em off then they're off, period. An app can register multiple notification channels if it has multiple "types" or "classifications" of things to notify you about, but in any event you can always modify or shut it off and the app writer cannot override what you've done.
    08-24-2018 02:05 PM
  13. stackberry369's Avatar
    This conversation is starting to bug me.

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    Get a can of Raid lol
    08-26-2018 03:59 AM
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