10-25-2017 10:13 PM
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  1. LeoRex's Avatar
    So I was in a situation where I needed to trade in the G6 and the V30 seemed like the most likely choice. I had a real love/hate relationship with the G6, with the latter becoming more as time went on (anyone who frequented the G6 board probably knows my saga already).

    Now, the V30 is an incredible phone. The one I had won the lottery and the display is actually really good. Even the blue shift is minimal, at steep angles and only with white screens. Really a total non issue. Performance is great, lightyears better than the G6... that thing would cough and spit up after running for a few days and sometimes launching the camera became more of a suggestion than command. UI performance is really smooth. I mean, LG has never been associated with fluid UIs. V30 fits that bill. It feels GREAT in hand and its surprisingly light.

    And the camera. Now, the G6's camera is my biggest gripe with that thing. Everything was way too oversharpened and the halos just made things look weird. And noise was reduced so heavily that any sort of texture, from walls to faces, all completely washed clean of any depth and realism.

    V30 has NONE of that. Well, almost none. It launches with immediacy and takes pictures the instant I tap that shutter button. Well, other than the somewhat annoying 'slide to zoom' function that had me dropping to the wide angle way too easily but it is quick. Outside it does wonderful; great detail, nice colors and the processing cudgel that the G6 slammed on every pic was nowhere to be seen. Even little bare branches way off in the distance look like little bare branches way off in the distance and not glowing wires.

    Now, my biggest concern was in lower light shots since LG, for some reason, has stubbornly stuck with small sensors. Wide aperture or not, small sensor is small. But I found that it still did a great job. I took a shot under my desk at work and I could read the printing on the side of the power cable plugged into an outlet, V30's flexing its 16MP muscles there... my XL took a well appointed shot in the same situation but the high res detail of V30 just did a little bit better.

    Now, here's the part where I get to the 'but...' I was sure I had what very well might be as close to perfect a phone as I could have hoped. That is, until I started taking pics of my kids in the evening and the V30 fell completely flat on its face. The well preserved skin tones and features that I saw out in the sun were now strangled within an inch of their lives. It's clear to me that LG does some sort of face detection and then applies what I can only describe as a what you would get if you gave a 2 year old a Wacom tablet and let them go at it in Photoshop.

    Remember that story a while back where the person tried to 'fix' a fresco in Italy and ended up completely destroying the portrait of Jesus? Yeah, that's pretty much what happens if you try to take a picture of a person inside or at night.

    V30.... almost great - short one fatal flaw (and not the one you expected)-513259474_13195159_wide-360d295b5726058b589b84b5d341f077b1cde4a7.jpg

    And the crazy thing is that LG does this on purpose. If I took the same pic without the aforementioned child in the frame, details were crisp, noise reduction kept to a nice level, you name it. But if it sees a face in there somewhere.... *splat*

    And since my wife takes way WAY to many pics of my kids in situations like this. It might as well be sparks shooting out of the charging port every time you unlock it. If I were to hand her this thing, well, next time you'd see ol' LeoRex, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

    Needless to say the V30 will be going back before the return period expires... which is sad since it was SO.... VERY.... CLOSE to being an absolute stunner of a phone.
    10-22-2017 09:48 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    V30 is by FAR the best phone I've ever seen LG produce. Hoping they can keep up what they improved and close the gap behind Google and Samsung with next year's offering.
    10-22-2017 10:21 PM
  3. LeoRex's Avatar
    V30 is by FAR the best phone I've ever seen LG produce. Hoping they can keep up what they improved and close the gap behind Google and Samsung with next year's offering.
    Oh, agree totally. It's a joy to use, which makes it that much more frustrating. It's that close.
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    10-22-2017 10:27 PM
  4. Diehlirious's Avatar
    Oh, agree totally. It's a joy to use, which makes it that much more frustrating. It's that close.
    No possible software updates in the future to correct that issue?
    10-23-2017 01:01 AM
  5. ManiacJoe's Avatar
    It would be good to see some unedited original files with all the EXIF data for diagnosing.

    Check your camera settings. When photographing people, the HDR system should be turned off in many/most cases.
    10-23-2017 01:04 AM
  6. DFranch's Avatar
    I was taking pics of my S7 Edge (to sell) with my V30. I agree, the low light shots were better with the S7 Edge. While I want to have a nice camera, I don't take all that many pictures, so I can live with it.
    10-23-2017 09:29 AM
  7. TheMarcus's Avatar
    No possible software updates in the future to correct that issue?
    As a long time LG user, don't expect mid cycle updates to fix anything you have a problem with.
    10-23-2017 10:09 AM
  8. LeoRex's Avatar
    No possible software updates in the future to correct that issue?
    I wouldn't hold my breath. First, LG doesn't exactly have a rich and storied history of fixing software problems, especially the longer after the launch date you are.

    Second, like I mentioned, LG did this on purpose. The fact that they so greatly cut down on noise and sharpening, yet here they dialed it to 11 still, tells me that LG wants their pictures to look this way and they refuse to address it.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    10-23-2017 10:52 AM
  9. RapidTurtle's Avatar
    Do you have any sample pics to show? I was curious how this phone dealt with a live subject indoors. I have the G5, and the camera is decent, but when taking a photo of a person or my dog, the slightest movement by the subject results in terrible blur. I really like the wide angle on LG's, but have compared the G5 to a family members S8, and the S8 seems to deal with the blur problem much better.
    10-23-2017 05:50 PM
  10. LeoRex's Avatar
    Sure.. Here's a couple. I zoomed in a bit so you could see. The first is the V30, auto... The second is the XL.
    Laura Knotek and anon(903870) like this.
    10-23-2017 08:19 PM
  11. chanchan05's Avatar
    For one second I thought the v30 turned your kid into a painting.
    Laura Knotek and anon(903870) like this.
    10-23-2017 08:23 PM
  12. Centerman66's Avatar
    Sure.. Here's a couple. I zoomed in a bit so you could see. The first is the V30, auto... The second is the XL.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b8385bb830.jpg
    https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...109f10ca23.jpg
    Both are soft
    10-23-2017 08:50 PM
  13. LeoRex's Avatar
    Both are soft
    Remember these are zoomed in quite a bit. And soft is fine. I'd rather a slightly soft image than one that's been heavily sharpened. LG has really dialed back that, but they are still doing far too much noise reduction.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    10-23-2017 09:03 PM
  14. ffejjj's Avatar
    The only pics I you were with the display unit in the Sprint store and they looked really good.

    Wonder if another device would yield the same results?
    10-23-2017 09:13 PM
  15. LeoRex's Avatar
    Oh, most do look really good. Just about the only issue I've run into happens to be during a situation that I need the thing to preform well in.
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    10-23-2017 10:03 PM
  16. xplod566's Avatar
    So I was in a situation where I needed to trade in the G6 and the V30 seemed like the most likely choice. I had a real love/hate relationship with the G6, with the latter becoming more as time went on (anyone who frequented the G6 board probably knows my saga already).

    Now, the V30 is an incredible phone. The one I had won the lottery and the display is actually really good. Even the blue shift is minimal, at steep angles and only with white screens. Really a total non issue. Performance is great, lightyears better than the G6... that thing would cough and spit up after running for a few days and sometimes launching the camera became more of a suggestion than command. UI performance is really smooth. I mean, LG has never been associated with fluid UIs. V30 fits that bill. It feels GREAT in hand and its surprisingly light.

    And the camera. Now, the G6's camera is my biggest gripe with that thing. Everything was way too oversharpened and the halos just made things look weird. And noise was reduced so heavily that any sort of texture, from walls to faces, all completely washed clean of any depth and realism.

    V30 has NONE of that. Well, almost none. It launches with immediacy and takes pictures the instant I tap that shutter button. Well, other than the somewhat annoying 'slide to zoom' function that had me dropping to the wide angle way too easily but it is quick. Outside it does wonderful; great detail, nice colors and the processing cudgel that the G6 slammed on every pic was nowhere to be seen. Even little bare branches way off in the distance look like little bare branches way off in the distance and not glowing wires.

    Now, my biggest concern was in lower light shots since LG, for some reason, has stubbornly stuck with small sensors. Wide aperture or not, small sensor is small. But I found that it still did a great job. I took a shot under my desk at work and I could read the printing on the side of the power cable plugged into an outlet, V30's flexing its 16MP muscles there... my XL took a well appointed shot in the same situation but the high res detail of V30 just did a little bit better.

    Now, here's the part where I get to the 'but...' I was sure I had what very well might be as close to perfect a phone as I could have hoped. That is, until I started taking pics of my kids in the evening and the V30 fell completely flat on its face. The well preserved skin tones and features that I saw out in the sun were now strangled within an inch of their lives. It's clear to me that LG does some sort of face detection and then applies what I can only describe as a what you would get if you gave a 2 year old a Wacom tablet and let them go at it in Photoshop.

    Remember that story a while back where the person tried to 'fix' a fresco in Italy and ended up completely destroying the portrait of Jesus? Yeah, that's pretty much what happens if you try to take a picture of a person inside or at night.

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    And the crazy thing is that LG does this on purpose. If I took the same pic without the aforementioned child in the frame, details were crisp, noise reduction kept to a nice level, you name it. But if it sees a face in there somewhere.... *splat*

    And since my wife takes way WAY to many pics of my kids in situations like this. It might as well be sparks shooting out of the charging port every time you unlock it. If I were to hand her this thing, well, next time you'd see ol' LeoRex, it would be on the side of a milk carton.

    Needless to say the V30 will be going back before the return period expires... which is sad since it was SO.... VERY.... CLOSE to being an absolute stunner of a phone.
    Did you check with some different unit if they are also exhibiting the same issue ?
    10-24-2017 05:14 AM
  17. LeoRex's Avatar
    Did you check with some different unit if they are also exhibiting the same issue ?
    Don't need to... this isn't any sort of hardware flaw in the lens, or something wrong with the focus system... it's a simple example of a choice to apply some heavy processing to faces in lower light situations to make them 'cleaned up'. It's like that "Beauty Face" junk you see on the FFC on some phones. The only conclusion is that there are a lot of people out there who WANT their pictures to look like that... and that makes me sad for the future of humanity.

    I fired up one of the Google Camera mods last night and I'll test it out tonight when I get the chance. I have a feeling that I'll find what I found with the G6... if you use image processing that isn't an affront to all that is good and holy, I'll get nice pictures.

    Can you tell I so really want this phone to work for me?
    10-24-2017 03:02 PM
  18. RapidTurtle's Avatar
    Wow, the V30 looks terrible. I think my G5 is better than that.
    10-24-2017 03:15 PM
  19. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Don't need to... this isn't any sort of hardware flaw in the lens, or something wrong with the focus system... it's a simple example of a choice to apply some heavy processing to faces in lower light situations to make them 'cleaned up'. It's like that "Beauty Face" junk you see on the FFC on some phones. The only conclusion is that there are a lot of people out there who WANT their pictures to look like that... and that makes me sad for the future of humanity.

    I fired up one of the Google Camera mods last night and I'll test it out tonight when I get the chance. I have a feeling that I'll find what I found with the G6... if you use image processing that isn't an affront to all that is good and holy, I'll get nice pictures.

    Can you tell I so really want this phone to work for me?
    I really had high hopes from the V30. I thought the camera might have improved but they keep using tiny sensors. I really wasn't much of a cellphone camera person but after seeing what other brands could do I just had to come to grips with reality.
    I know I will miss the quad DAC but they make nice small external ones that I can use with any phone.
    10-24-2017 04:12 PM
  20. xplod566's Avatar
    Don't need to... this isn't any sort of hardware flaw in the lens, or something wrong with the focus system... it's a simple example of a choice to apply some heavy processing to faces in lower light situations to make them 'cleaned up'. It's like that "Beauty Face" junk you see on the FFC on some phones. The only conclusion is that there are a lot of people out there who WANT their pictures to look like that... and that makes me sad for the future of humanity.

    I fired up one of the Google Camera mods last night and I'll test it out tonight when I get the chance. I have a feeling that I'll find what I found with the G6... if you use image processing that isn't an affront to all that is good and holy, I'll get nice pictures.

    Can you tell I so really want this phone to work for me?
    Yes I have a g6 and v20 as well as xz premium.
    Xz premium doesn't support raw formats so it can't use Google camera
    But when I do the same in g6 it's really really good.infact the auto mode isn't that good either.try with Google camera and I think it's gonna be really awesome .do update me sir
    10-24-2017 04:18 PM
  21. ManiacJoe's Avatar
    Both are soft
    That is just a case of missed focus. In the first shot, the focus is on the floor.
    10-24-2017 04:53 PM
  22. LeoRex's Avatar
    That is just a case of missed focus. In the first shot, the focus is on the floor.
    The face was definitely the focus point, I made sure to get that set. That it may have focused on the background even though I had it specifically set on the nose is another issue.
    10-24-2017 05:39 PM
  23. irvine752's Avatar
    Sure.. Here's a couple. I zoomed in a bit so you could see. The first is the V30, auto... The second is the XL.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b8385bb830.jpg
    https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...109f10ca23.jpg
    Have you tried to play with the manual mode? Not only does it allow for fine-grained control over the white balance, focus (main camera only), exposure, ISO, and shutter speed, it also gives you the option to capture photos in a DNG RAW format.

    If you lower ISO to about 50, you could get away with even a 10 sec exposure and a much cleaner photo (you can keep the shutter open for about 30 secs on the V30). As for auto mode, that should be used only in broad day light. Once it gets dark you have to play with manual (there's an extensive discussion in one of the V20 threads). It's a little disturbing that people use auto mode at night or in low light and then complain about the quality of the photos.

    Here's a few that were taken in low light:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimph...7686415549012/
    10-24-2017 06:10 PM
  24. LeoRex's Avatar
    Look, I've spent a lot of time testing a lot of phones, good ones, bad ones, really bad ones. The V30 is a exceptionally good one, top to bottom. It's the best running LG branded phone I've ever used by far (I've had many) , it has a bunch of slick features and deserves all the praise it's been getting.

    But it ain't perfect. None are.

    We're getting to the point where these things are getting so good that the only way to evaluate them is to hammer on their flaws. And the V30's only flaw that I've run into as of yet is inside that camera. It's extremely fussy. We're at the point where you shouldn't have to say 'oh, just go into manual mode and....'. No... That's no going to fly. You can't say it'll perform with the best of them if you gotta go in and screw around with exposures and ISOs and hope it focused on what you directed it to. If I wanted to do that all the time, I'll carry around a Nikon. Plus I can download one of a few excellent camera apps that give access to all the same manual controls (and some LG didn't include) in another phone.

    The vast majority of users will never touch that mode as they lean on auto modes to take the vast majority of their pictures. OEMs have to nail that. Otherwise they are just saving their own time, money and effort and making the end user finish the job.

    I've had a chance to take some shots with the modified Google camera and you it does, indeed, do a better job on a simple point and shoot... So a hacked camera designed for a completely different phone does a better job than the native one. I shouldn't have to go in and click click here and click click there to avoid getting a shot that looks like Salvador Dali painted while in a bad mood. It should do that from the get go.

    And they could have done it sooooo easy, that's the crazy part. I can pop the camera into manual mode, flip on the manual mode's noise reduction and take a better picture than auto. Why? Why not just use THAT programming?! Otherwise what happens is you end up with a lot of customers disappointed in the pictures because they, like my wife for example, aren't interested in fussing around with an app to get something good... Then they just turn to the phone next to it... The one that they can just pick up and snap something that's just as good as the one you took fiddling with some toggles.

    I wouldn't be poking around in every nook and cranny of this phone if I thought it was junk. On the contrary, I'm trying to find a reason to keep it. But I'm not turning a blind eye to it's smelly bits.
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    10-24-2017 06:16 PM
  25. tack_sharp's Avatar
    I wouldn't hold my breath. First, LG doesn't exactly have a rich and storied history of fixing software problems, especially the longer after the launch date you are.

    Second, like I mentioned, LG did this on purpose. The fact that they so greatly cut down on noise and sharpening, yet here they dialed it to 11 still, tells me that LG wants their pictures to look this way and they refuse to address it.
    Shoot raw?
    10-24-2017 07:28 PM
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