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  1. Rumblee1's Avatar
    It's on Forbes. It's called the LG V30 is as underrated as the iPhone X is overrated. Excellent, true article.
    11-27-2017 11:49 AM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    Is that to say that the LG V30 is not underrated at all because the iPhone X is getting very poor feedback and is therefore not overrated?
    11-27-2017 11:52 AM
  3. Rumblee1's Avatar
    Is that to say that the LG V30 is not underrated at all because the iPhone X is getting very poor feedback and is therefore not overrated?
    He's making a point on how good the v30 is. It is underrated.
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    11-27-2017 01:23 PM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    But everyone already knows the V30 is good, how is it underrated? Who is rating it below its actual worth?

    And the iPhone X isn't overrated, many people seem to dismiss it outright. So why the comparison?
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    11-27-2017 01:27 PM
  5. al23's Avatar
    Well, one of the points the author makes is the bias of reviewers. E.g., the G6 was the first phone to sport a 18:9 ratio. But if you go to tech sites, that is generally overlooked, with the focus being on Samsung. He also points out that Samsung and Apple get passes for their shortcomings, while LG is treated more harshly by critics. I thought these were good points.

    We here know the V30 is good. However, to most consumers, the choice that's made is between Samsung and Apple. Telling someone I had the G6 and V30 typically resulted in looks of confusion. Few really notice LG phones.
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    11-27-2017 02:25 PM
  6. Aquila's Avatar
    He also points out that Samsung and Apple get passes for their shortcomings, while LG is treated more harshly by critics.
    I agreed with this point up until the end of last year. This year LG received a whole lot of praise for their much needed improvements and Samsung and Apple both got a lot of scrutiny over some of their boneheaded moves, especially towards Apple. Examples include the fingerprint sensor location on Samsung devices and the cutout, app resolution issues, Face ID, etc. on Apple devices.

    LG has also started changing their approach though, so instead of being mediocre at most features with a couple of gimmicks, they're instead trying to be really good at some of the things that are most important to most consumers. That started with the V20, but now LG has added quite a bit of polish and so the G6 and the V30 are the first time they can be truly said to be making phones that rival their Samsung and Apple counterparts. That said, they still do have some room to grow, especially on their camera, their software and their attitudes towards user privacy and security.

    We here know the V30 is good. However, to most consumers, the choice that's made is between Samsung and Apple. Telling someone I had the G6 and V30 typically resulted in looks of confusion. Few really notice LG phones.
    This is definitely true, and that is part of what drives the media bias - but I think it's driven in a slightly different direction than this.

    Consumers, especially in the US, are still choosing Samsung or Apple, for more than 7 in 10 every purchases. LG represents about 1 in 10. This is in line with the last couple of years and is reinforced by usage data, such as that done by Comscore, etc. These ratios do not really change and definitely do not change quickly. Anecdotally, I know several people that have recent LG phones - aside from those people, I haven't seen one in the wild ever. I had the G4, Nexus 5X and G5 and those devices look alien. I passed on the G6 and have never seen one except on display in stores.

    Anyways, if 85% or more of US smartphone users are using Apple, Samsung and LG devices, and of those devices, nearly 90% are Apple and Samsung, then it makes sense that those three garner the vast majority of news volume and that LG, of those three, receives by far the least amount of press. That said, I do not think the press the V30 and G6 received has been negative. The reviews and follow up articles I have noticed have been overwhelmingly positive, while those about the new iPhones have been generally "meh" or negative in their reading. Obviously there's a selection bias here because I haven't read or even skimmed the headlines of all the articles, so this isn't an analysis of press coverage, just my impressions based on what I've seen.

    But the reason I bring this up, is that while I agree most consumers are not seeing a large volume of coverage of the G6 and V30, based on my experience, I think the majority of what they are seeing is praising the devices and recommending them as viable alternatives to the Sammy and Apple devices. And conversely, while the majority of the information that is being pushed is about Samsung and Apple, the overall tone is far less positive and could be enough to push people to look for viable alternatives now that the king and queen seem to be losing their touch.


    TL/DR version: Based on what I've seen, I do not agree that the V30 is being treated unfairly in the tech news world - at all. If anything, it may be receiving more kindness than it deserves because of it's status as an underdog alternative to the old and tired Samsung and Apple staples. That isn't to say it doesn't deserve a hell of a lot of kindness, the V30 is by far and away the best phone LG has ever made and in my opinion LG is continuing to head in the right direction with their devices. And there's still a long ways to go down that path, so here's to hoping they continue to do so.
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    11-27-2017 02:49 PM
  7. MA2GA28's Avatar
    I agreed with this point up until the end of last year. This year LG received a whole lot of praise for their much needed improvements and Samsung and Apple both got a lot of scrutiny over some of their boneheaded moves, especially towards Apple. Examples include the fingerprint sensor location on Samsung devices and the cutout, app resolution issues, Face ID, etc. on Apple devices.

    LG has also started changing their approach though, so instead of being mediocre at most features with a couple of gimmicks, they're instead trying to be really good at some of the things that are most important to most consumers. That started with the V20, but now LG has added quite a bit of polish and so the G6 and the V30 are the first time they can be truly said to be making phones that rival their Samsung and Apple counterparts. That said, they still do have some room to grow, especially on their camera, their software and their attitudes towards user privacy and security.



    This is definitely true, and that is part of what drives the media bias - but I think it's driven in a slightly different direction than this.

    Consumers, especially in the US, are still choosing Samsung or Apple, for more than 7 in 10 every purchases. LG represents about 1 in 10. This is in line with the last couple of years and is reinforced by usage data, such as that done by Comscore, etc. These ratios do not really change and definitely do not change quickly. Anecdotally, I know several people that have recent LG phones - aside from those people, I haven't seen one in the wild ever. I had the G4, Nexus 5X and G5 and those devices look alien. I passed on the G6 and have never seen one except on display in stores.

    Anyways, if 85% or more of US smartphone users are using Apple, Samsung and LG devices, and of those devices, nearly 90% are Apple and Samsung, then it makes sense that those three garner the vast majority of news volume and that LG, of those three, receives by far the least amount of press. That said, I do not think the press the V30 and G6 received has been negative. The reviews and follow up articles I have noticed have been overwhelmingly positive, while those about the new iPhones have been generally "meh" or negative in their reading. Obviously there's a selection bias here because I haven't read or even skimmed the headlines of all the articles, so this isn't an analysis of press coverage, just my impressions based on what I've seen.

    But the reason I bring this up, is that while I agree most consumers are not seeing a large volume of coverage of the G6 and V30, based on my experience, I think the majority of what they are seeing is praising the devices and recommending them as viable alternatives to the Sammy and Apple devices. And conversely, while the majority of the information that is being pushed is about Samsung and Apple, the overall tone is far less positive and could be enough to push people to look for viable alternatives now that the king and queen seem to be losing their touch.


    TL/DR version: Based on what I've seen, I do not agree that the V30 is being treated unfairly in the tech news world - at all. If anything, it may be receiving more kindness than it deserves because of it's status as an underdog alternative to the old and tired Samsung and Apple staples. That isn't to say it doesn't deserve a hell of a lot of kindness, the V30 is by far and away the best phone LG has ever made and in my opinion LG is continuing to head in the right direction with their devices. And there's still a long ways to go down that path, so here's to hoping they continue to do so.
    You aren't wrong (in fact, you are correct), but the writer of the article points out specific examples of reviews that decided to crap on the LG for relatively trivial items (or calling the screen issues a deal breaker) while glossing over negatives about the X, Pixels, or S/Note 8. So I think he's just seeing different reviews than you.
    11-27-2017 03:45 PM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    You aren't wrong (in fact, you are correct), but the writer of the article points out specific examples of reviews that decided to crap on the LG for relatively trivial items (or calling the screen issues a deal breaker) while glossing over negatives about the X, Pixels, or S/Note 8. So I think he's just seeing different reviews than you.
    To be fair, if the screen issues actually existed, they would be a deal breaker for some people. Fortunately, most of the complaints about the V30 (and Pixel 2 XL) displays were trumped up nonsense and extremely sensationalized hyperbole. The V30's I've seen (only demos, but they're still phones) did not have any ridiculousness ... they looked really good.
    11-27-2017 05:20 PM
  9. Rumblee1's Avatar
    But everyone already knows the V30 is good, how is it underrated? Who is rating it below its actual worth?

    And the iPhone X isn't overrated, many people seem to dismiss it outright. So why the comparison?
    I guess you don't read or listen to reviews much. Not that I blame you
    11-27-2017 06:03 PM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    I guess you don't read or listen to reviews much. Not that I blame you
    I'm not sure why you would think that. I guess I would say that there are some sites that I outright ignored such as BGR and macrumors Etc because they are completely nonsensical in their reporting and their soul existence is to generate clicks not to inform their readers. I would say that I do listen to and watch reviews of a lot of devices which I think might be evidenced by my participation in so many of the various forums regarding so many various devices but I guess like I said earlier I'm not really clear on why you thought that.
    11-27-2017 06:13 PM
  11. chanchan05's Avatar
    If there's anyone to blame why the v30 is underrated, it's LG. People choose Samsung and Apple because they're everywhere. They're familiar. Where are the LG ads? Where are the displays in stores? LG makes nice phones but don't promote them. People as a group tend to go to what's safe and familiar. Especially since they're investing money and need something reliable as a phone. They don't know what LG is and it's priced close enough to an S8 to not consider at all.
    11-27-2017 07:06 PM
  12. PAC757's Avatar
    The carriers are a problem also. I have AT&T I went into 3 different copoorate stores and one had a V30 stuck in a corner on display. I haven't bought a phone from AT&T in a few years and was really disappointed in the stores. Really they are nothing buy Apple and Samsung dealers. One store, a larger corporate store, actually had nothing else on all the display areas but iPhones and iPads, and 2 walls of Samsung, and of course Direct TV stuff everywhere. I was lucky enough to find a sales person that said he had a couple of V30s in the back, none on display and not a single case for a V30. Went to a Verizon store to buy a case, nothing on display but the sales person said "I think we have a couple of cases in the back" and even there no V30 phone on display.
    11-27-2017 08:30 PM
  13. chanchan05's Avatar
    The carriers are a problem also. I have AT&T I went into 3 different copoorate stores and one had a V30 stuck in a corner on display. I haven't bought a phone from AT&T in a few years and was really disappointed in the stores. Really they are nothing buy Apple and Samsung dealers. One store, a larger corporate store, actually had nothing else on all the display areas but iPhones and iPads, and 2 walls of Samsung, and of course Direct TV stuff everywhere. I was lucky enough to find a sales person that said he had a couple of V30s in the back, none on display and not a single case for a V30. Went to a Verizon store to buy a case, nothing on display but the sales person said "I think we have a coupon of cases in the back" and even there no V30 phone on display.
    Not sure how it is in the US but the manufacturers sometimes have deals with carriers on how to promote their devices. Like extra cash to ensure they have their products displayed prominently. So if that's the case in the US then it's still on LG.
    11-27-2017 08:57 PM
  14. yongkykun's Avatar
    The fact that Unbox Therapy hasn't reviewed the V30, even to this day, says a lot. People look up to YouTubers lately for reviews and sadly the media follows suit. So far only Marques Brownlee of MKBHD has reviewed it but even so, he also brushes off V30 and focus mainly on iPhone, Samsung, OnePlus and the like. I'm only naming 2 massive YouTubers, so don't hate on me, but those 2 are the influencers of our age.

    So yes, V30 is definitely underrated. The fact that it also is still hard to find accessories for it here in my own country says quite a bit as well.
    11-27-2017 09:05 PM
  15. Buddy1969's Avatar
    The V30 is IMHO underrated in respect to being known by customers. Everyone I told, I ordered a V30 looked at me as if I was talking korean to them (pun intended).

    To stand up against the marketing machine of Apple or Samsung is no small feat.

    Best example is, that Apple still is widely believed to have "invented" the smartphone. That is plain wrong. I used Smartphones with PalmOS (i.e. Treo) and Windows Mobile (i.e. Compaq) long before there was an iPhone. And the Palm Pre phones with the marvellous WebOS got a lot of praise and Prices from critics in their days, but were barely known inside the US and completely unknown outside of the US - and this in a market, where Palm was the synonym for PDA a few years before.

    And this is not only a smartphone thing. I seem to have a hand for choosing products that are great, but vanish from the market due to bad marketing.
    I was an Amiga fan - what does that tell you (except that I am THAT old )? Gone (mostly)
    I loved my Lancia cars. Gone (mostly)
    I loved WebOS. Gone (at least in phones and tablets)
    I really digged the Nexus phones. Gone

    Maybe you should take heed, because I ordered the V30 ...
    11-28-2017 12:32 AM
  16. Morty2264's Avatar
    Well, one of the points the author makes is the bias of reviewers. E.g., the G6 was the first phone to sport a 18:9 ratio. But if you go to tech sites, that is generally overlooked, with the focus being on Samsung. He also points out that Samsung and Apple get passes for their shortcomings, while LG is treated more harshly by critics. I thought these were good points.

    We here know the V30 is good. However, to most consumers, the choice that's made is between Samsung and Apple. Telling someone I had the G6 and V30 typically resulted in looks of confusion. Few really notice LG phones.
    I do believe you have a point. In Canada, I feel like I (mostly, because there's always room for error) often see people who have either a Samsung or an Apple device. On the bus, for instance. Or just when I'm out and about. It's rare that I see someone with an LG device, but of course it does happen. In my Church, there are a lot of Motorola users! There's a Z Play, and that user is upgrading to the V30; and his wife is getting the Essential Phone (however, those are more "techy" individuals).

    Even when it comes to phone displays in Canada, I've kind of noticed more of a gravitation towards Samsung vs Apple. Bell, however, seems to enjoy showcasing LG with its own little table, etc.

    But you're right: bias is everywhere and it happens all the time. Each one of us has our own unique set of biases that we bring to the table; and it is absolutely true with phone reviewers, sales reps, carriers, and individual users.
    11-28-2017 08:32 AM
  17. Morty2264's Avatar
    The V30 is IMHO underrated in respect to being known by customers. Everyone I told, I ordered a V30 looked at me as if I was talking korean to them (pun intended).

    To stand up against the marketing machine of Apple or Samsung is no small feat.

    Best example is, that Apple still is widely believed to have "invented" the smartphone. That is plain wrong. I used Smartphones with PalmOS (i.e. Treo) and Windows Mobile (i.e. Compaq) long before there was an iPhone. And the Palm Pre phones with the marvellous WebOS got a lot of praise and Prices from critics in their days, but were barely known inside the US and completely unknown outside of the US - and this in a market, where Palm was the synonym for PDA a few years before.

    And this is not only a smartphone thing. I seem to have a hand for choosing products that are great, but vanish from the market due to bad marketing.
    I was an Amiga fan - what does that tell you (except that I am THAT old )? Gone (mostly)
    I loved my Lancia cars. Gone (mostly)
    I loved WebOS. Gone (at least in phones and tablets)
    I really digged the Nexus phones. Gone

    Maybe you should take heed, because I ordered the V30 ...
    This was an awesome post.

    Also, I miss Nexus phones too. Hence the Pixel 2 calling my name. :P
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    11-28-2017 08:33 AM
  18. anon(10271520)'s Avatar
    The fact that Unbox Therapy hasn't reviewed the V30, even to this day, says a lot. People look up to YouTubers lately for reviews and sadly the media follows suit. So far only Marques Brownlee of MKBHD has reviewed it but even so, he also brushes off V30 and focus mainly on iPhone, Samsung, OnePlus and the like. I'm only naming 2 massive YouTubers, so don't hate on me, but those 2 are the influencers of our age.

    So yes, V30 is definitely underrated. The fact that it also is still hard to find accessories for it here in my own country says quite a bit as well.
    Who cares about those other guys when you have Mr Mobile on top of it!
    11-28-2017 02:16 PM
  19. texn884's Avatar
    I like mine V20 yes I know your talking about the V30 but since I got my Keyone is killer

    I switched back to the Blackberry since the V20 was still on the December security patch 2016 and its almost December 2017, simply fricking amazing
    11-28-2017 04:13 PM
  20. yongkykun's Avatar
    Who cares about those other guys when you have Mr Mobile on top of it!
    Mr. Mobile is great, but media looks into people with more subscribers.

    Mr. Mobile >>> 504K
    Unbox Therapy >>> 9,2M
    MKBHD >>> 5,4M

    So yeah, as long as the major YouTubers don't give V30 the attention it deserves, no one else would, including importers and distributors.
    11-28-2017 11:42 PM
  21. Buddy1969's Avatar
    Even here on AC people seem to be biased towards Samsung. Which is the best waterproof phone? Here they tell us, it's a Samsung.

    I mean: if I rate a phone for being waterproof, I rate it for not breaking under harsh circumstances, am I not right?
    Therefore it seems only logical that, if both phones rate IP68, the one with the MIL-STD810g rating is better under harsh conditions, isn't it?

    But no, in ACs eyes Samsung is better ... because? Well, because: Samsung. Nothing else.

    Very strange...
    11-30-2017 12:32 AM
  22. irvine752's Avatar
    Even here on AC people seem to be biased towards Samsung. Which is the best waterproof phone? Here they tell us, it's a Samsung.

    I mean: if I rate a phone for being waterproof, I rate it for not breaking under harsh circumstances, am I not right?
    Therefore it seems only logical that, if both phones rate IP68, the one with the MIL-STD810g rating is better under harsh conditions, isn't it?

    But no, in ACs eyes Samsung is better ... because? Well, because: Samsung. Nothing else.

    Very strange...
    The phone rated with MIL-STD810G is clearly better for harsh conditions. People seem to be misinformed that's all.
    11-30-2017 12:46 AM
  23. chanchan05's Avatar
    Even here on AC people seem to be biased towards Samsung. Which is the best waterproof phone? Here they tell us, it's a Samsung.

    I mean: if I rate a phone for being waterproof, I rate it for not breaking under harsh circumstances, am I not right?
    Therefore it seems only logical that, if both phones rate IP68, the one with the MIL-STD810g rating is better under harsh conditions, isn't it?

    But no, in ACs eyes Samsung is better ... because? Well, because: Samsung. Nothing else.

    Very strange...
    It's not strange at all. Because the MIL-STD810g is just a BS term manufacturers use to make you think their phone is better. It doesn't even mean it's tested for harsh conditions. That rating can be given to non water resist devices because it's just a drop test. It's not standardized, and it's badge on the box doesn't even mean testing was actually done. At the least all it means is that after being dropped from a height of 4ft onto a floor made of 2in plywood on top of concrete, the phone is still usable. Samsung's own internal tests in their factories way surpass that rating. Actually I can't even think of any major phone model right now that will fail that test.


    https://www.google.com.ph/amp/s/www....standards/amp/
    11-30-2017 01:37 AM
  24. PAC757's Avatar
    I agree the "MIL-STD810g" thing is not a real test and you are correct, for a manufacturer to use it I think all the phone has to be is water "resistant" like the IP ratings. There is a YouTube video, sorry I can't find the link, but they drop both the V30 and a Note 8, from a set height onto concrete from a set metal platform using a mechanical arm to slowly push the phone off the edge in an exact position so that both phones drop in the same orientation. They did 5 drops on each, on the face, back, top, bottom and sides. They of course both had the front glass broken, but after the 5 drops the back of the V30 had some scratches and one or 2 cracks, the back of the Note shattered on the second drop, and the touchscreen on the V30 worked without a problem at the end of the test where as the Note had multiple dead spots on the screen that wouldn't respond to touch.
    11-30-2017 05:52 AM
  25. Buddy1969's Avatar
    I've seen a few such tests and comparisons on YouTube. Seems that the glass back cracks quite early, while the front stays in usable condition for quite a while. The V30 was almost all the time the phone with the least damage or the one most usable after the tests. So whereas the MIL-STD just states, that it passes the Military standard test for durability and this is not a "Standard" in the strictest sense, it still seems that this phone can take a punch and while not staying nice and beautiful is still mostly in tact.
    11-30-2017 07:06 AM
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