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  1. Mooncatt's Avatar
    To be fair, what you said did not support the conclusion that he reached 9 years ago before the first hundred thousand times it was explained that in photography in general, and especially on smartphones, megapixels is a number that's not even positively correlated with image quality, let alone the single driving factor of excellent camera performance.
    True, but other people are reading these threads and my comments are more for them to see the other side of the coin than trying to convince a single member with steadfast opinions not based on how photography actually works.
    Itsa_Me_Mario likes this.
    06-01-2018 12:49 PM
  2. RaRa85's Avatar
    What I want to see: a larger sensor for one. The G7 has the hardware to do 4k60fps and 240fps1080p but it's strangely missing from it. Every 2018 flagship has these capabilities. So if LG does not enable the G7 to do this it needs to be there in the V40. Also I really want to see LG's "Steady Record" stabilization match what's present on say a OnePlus 6, Galaxy S9, Huawei P20 Pro, iPhone X, and Pixel 2. The video from these phones are gymbal optional as far as walking while they're more of a necessity with LG phones unless you edit in post. Everything else is already there in terms of hardware and design wise going back to the V30. However a better OLED panel would be great as well. I may even end up just getting the V35 as it already has the better processor and front facing camera. Bonus would be a 3500mAh battery.
    06-07-2018 12:46 AM
  3. PAC757's Avatar
    A little better camera, my V30 isn't bad but could do better low light and night shots, and please LG, put a 4000 mah battery in it, it will fit. My V30 battery life isn't terrible but but on busy days working field service it would be nice not to have to think about battery life. Still the V30 is better than my Note 8, that phone never makes it through a busy day. Really am not impressed with the Note 8 but stuck with it till I pay down my balance enough to sell it.
    06-08-2018 08:37 PM
  4. Mike Dee's Avatar
    A little better camera, my V30 isn't bad but could do better low light and night shots, and please LG, put a 4000 mah battery in it, it will fit. My V30 battery life isn't terrible but but on busy days working field service it would be nice not to have to think about battery life. Still the V30 is better than my Note 8, that phone never makes it through a busy day. Really am not impressed with the Note 8 but stuck with it till I pay down my balance enough to sell it.
    The camera just needs better software.
    PAC757 likes this.
    06-09-2018 09:28 AM
  5. Pollster's Avatar
    Eventual price cut.
    I would have bought the V30 so many times, but Verizon still sells it for $840.
    06-14-2018 01:28 PM
  6. Morty2264's Avatar
    Quick Charge 4.0 and a removable battery would make it aces in my book.
    06-14-2018 09:02 PM
  7. mwake4goten's Avatar
    1. better chipset 845
    2. Keep 3.5mm
    3. Removable batteries
    4. Bigger battery 3500mh
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    06-22-2018 09:09 AM
  8. Mike Dee's Avatar
    If you photo edit on an AMOLED display, it will turn out different when viewed on an LCD, one of the problems I encountered when I had an AMOLED screen phone. Skin tones look too warm, whites just don't look white enough to me.
    The reverse is also true: If you photo edit on an LCD it will turn out different when viewed on AMOLED. Unless of course both screens are calibrated accurately in which case it makes no difference.
    Itsa_Me_Mario likes this.
    06-22-2018 09:19 AM
  9. Mooncatt's Avatar
    The reverse is also true: If you photo edit on an LCD it will turn out different when viewed on AMOLED. Unless of course both screens are calibrated accurately in which case it makes no difference.
    And when you photo edit on a calibrated computer monitor, it'll look bad on all mobile devices. Lol
    06-22-2018 11:43 AM
  10. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I would like a built-in DVD player and a time machine function.
    06-22-2018 12:58 PM
  11. Mike Dee's Avatar
    And when you photo edit on a calibrated computer monitor, it'll look bad on all mobile devices. Lol
    Yeah....I really don't worry much about color accuracy for snapshots. I try to just enjoy the photos. If I'm printing or posting for the sake of others I might tweak a bit. Life's too short to worry about these things.
    06-22-2018 12:59 PM
  12. flyingkytez's Avatar
    The reverse is also true: If you photo edit on an LCD it will turn out different when viewed on AMOLED. Unless of course both screens are calibrated accurately in which case it makes no difference.
    The colors are too warm, the contrast is higher, so the AMOLED screen can be confusing for a photo editor. Skin tones look warmer than real life, so it throws you off.
    06-23-2018 01:04 PM
  13. flyingkytez's Avatar
    And when you photo edit on a calibrated computer monitor, it'll look bad on all mobile devices. Lol
    OLEDs look unrealistic really.. plus add on automatic photo enhancements of the camera apps.. looks like you are wearing makeup.. (iPhone X especially)
    06-23-2018 01:06 PM
  14. flyingkytez's Avatar
    1. better chipset 845
    2. Keep 3.5mm
    3. Removable batteries
    4. Bigger battery 3500mh
    It may use the Snapdragon 845 chip, unless they can get the next gen chip sooner... Usually the V series uses the same parts as the G series (depending on the supplies available) but with a little more extra features plus a larger phone size overall. I expect at least 3300 mAh but as technology improves, the need for a giant battery is no longer needed. They are developing a new type of battery that lasts longer, but we won't see that anytime soon. One of the primary focus of the V series is video (hence, the letter V) or content creation. That's why they have 3 omnidirectional mics, and an enhanced manual control video recording app. If you pay attention to the last 3 V series commercials (starring Joseph Gordon Levitt), it was all about user content creation. So expect a new video recording feature or something related. They need to go back to the 'wider' angle camera.. why did people complain about the distortion? That's normal for a wide angle.. idiots.. now we have a more narrow wide angle.. (I LOVE the super duper wide front selfie of the V20.. extremely useful.. who cares about an 8MP selfie, do you really want to show off your wrinkles and blemishes?). I expect LG to go back to using LCD since they developed the upgraded IPS LCD with the ultra bright mode feature (not possible with an AMOLED) and I'm sure they want to continue using that as a selling point (1000 nits brightness).
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    06-23-2018 01:13 PM
  15. Mike Dee's Avatar
    The colors are too warm, the contrast is higher, so the AMOLED screen can be confusing for a photo editor. Skin tones look warmer than real life, so it throws you off.
    You have know idea about what I was saying and all you do is continue with your preconceived diatribe.
    06-23-2018 01:17 PM
  16. flyingkytez's Avatar
    To be fair, what you said did not support the conclusion that he reached 9 years ago before the first hundred thousand times it was explained that in photography in general, and especially on smartphones, megapixels is a number that's not even positively correlated with image quality, let alone the single driving factor of excellent camera performance.

    If you could reframe your argument in a way that supports the conclusion that nothing except more MP can determine what the best camera is, then it may get read. But probably not.
    No, you are right, it honestly does not matter about megapixels. It really is all about the actual hardware and camera software. However, for certain people (especially in certain professions), larger megapixels are needed to blow up images on a large screen... OR for cropping/zooming in (say, a candid photo of a celebrity from afar for a tabloid photo). Again, no way am I saying larger megapixels are superior cameras, but there are benifits. Explain why people would not be happy with a 5MP selfie and complain, but are happy with a 8MP selfie? Better resolution, 5MP might be too small, fine details are pixelated. The LG G5 and V20 has a 8MP wide angle, the complaint was that the resolution is too small, therefore resulting in a pixelated photo when you look closer, but if you're just looking at it on a small smartphone screen, you won't notice (but on a TV, yes you'll notice). Also, the Hubble space telescope only had less than 1 megapixel, WOW amazing right? Well, actually they had to create a mosaic and put together all the photos to form one big one. The upgrade to 16MP made it so much more convenient. Read about it below:


    How many megapixels is the Hubble Space Telescope?

    Hold on to your seat. The Hubble Space Telescope was developed in the 1970's to provide at least 15 years of service. The custom built Hubble WF/PC-1 cameras, had custom CCD chips with 800x800 pixels, or a total of 640,000 pixels. So the Hubble doesn't even have the equivalent of a 1 megapixel sensor!

    In 1993 the cameras were replaced by the WF-PC-2 cameras that were designed to compensate for small optical flaws in the Hubble Telescope's reflector.

    Despite this seemingly low resolution, the pictures from the Hubble have been pieced together to produce mosaics as large as 650 megapixels.

    Recent (12/2005) news of a 16megapixel camera being tested on earth based telescopes is very exciting because it has the capability to image an entire galaxy in one picture, instead of requiring dozens of individual pictures to be spliced together. Increased sensitivity of the newest sensors will also help to improve the pictures.

    Updated: The Wide Field Camera is one of the better ones and consists of two 2048 x 4096 pixel CCDs, which gives it about 16.8 megapixels.

    In Chile, a new 3,200 megapixel telescope will be able to map the entire Galaxy, expected to be running by 2022.

    Pixels don't matter? Or do they? You decide.

    Again, not saying bigger is better overall, just that there's benifits of having it (also cons of having it too). I like to zoom/crop images a lot and take nature/outdoor photos, a smaller megapixel camera results in pixelated images when zoomed in. A Reddit user claimed that the Note 8 telephoto was fake, he concluded it was just mostly software trickery.. basically the software was just zooming in.. pixelation occurs with a smaller MP camera when zooming in (Note 8 telephoto was weak IMO). The LG V series opted for a 16MP because they wanted a focus on video recording, when you zoom in on a video, you need higher megapixels otherwise the video will be pixelated.

    Calling me biased but you seem to be biased too BC you have probably a Samsung/Apple/Pixel/Moto/HTC which has a 12MP. No doubt their cameras are good (maybe better than LG), however LG cameras were designed for a different purpose rather than simply taking everyday photos/selfies and posting it on social media.

    Again, I'll repeat again, I'm not saying megapixels are overall better, just that there's benifits such as less pixelation when zooming in. When Samsung went from their 16MP camera on the Galaxy S6 to the 12MP camera on the Galaxy S7, I immediately recognized a difference.. yeah cool the camera is faster and low light is better, but I can see with my naked eyes the difference. Some people won't and some people don't care, again they use their cameras for the basics such as for social media and non-commercial use.
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    06-23-2018 01:38 PM
  17. Itsa_Me_Mario's Avatar
    The colors are too warm, the contrast is higher, so the AMOLED screen can be confusing for a photo editor. Skin tones look warmer than real life, so it throws you off.
    Completely false statement.

    A perfectly calibrated LCD and a perfectly calibrated LED display at the same relative brightness look as close to identical as makes all odds. There should be no difference in relative temperature or saturation.
    06-23-2018 03:43 PM
  18. Itsa_Me_Mario's Avatar
    No, you are right, it honestly does not matter about megapixels. It really is all about the actual hardware and camera software. However, for certain people (especially in certain professions), larger megapixels are needed to blow up images on a large screen... OR for cropping/zooming in (say, a candid photo of a celebrity from afar for a tabloid photo). Again, no way am I saying larger megapixels are superior cameras, but there are benifits. Explain why people would not be happy with a 5MP selfie and complain, but are happy with a 8MP selfie? Better resolution, 5MP might be too small, fine details are pixelated. The LG G5 and V20 has a 8MP wide angle, the complaint was that the resolution is too small, therefore resulting in a pixelated photo when you look closer, but if you're just looking at it on a small smartphone screen, you won't notice (but on a TV, yes you'll notice). Also, the Hubble space telescope only had less than 1 megapixel, WOW amazing right? Well, actually they had to create a mosaic and put together all the photos to form one big one. The upgrade to 16MP made it so much more convenient. Read about it below:


    How many megapixels is the Hubble Space Telescope?

    Hold on to your seat. The Hubble Space Telescope was developed in the 1970's to provide at least 15 years of service. The custom built Hubble WF/PC-1 cameras, had custom CCD chips with 800x800 pixels, or a total of 640,000 pixels. So the Hubble doesn't even have the equivalent of a 1 megapixel sensor!

    In 1993 the cameras were replaced by the WF-PC-2 cameras that were designed to compensate for small optical flaws in the Hubble Telescope's reflector.

    Despite this seemingly low resolution, the pictures from the Hubble have been pieced together to produce mosaics as large as 650 megapixels.

    Recent (12/2005) news of a 16megapixel camera being tested on earth based telescopes is very exciting because it has the capability to image an entire galaxy in one picture, instead of requiring dozens of individual pictures to be spliced together. Increased sensitivity of the newest sensors will also help to improve the pictures.

    Updated: The Wide Field Camera is one of the better ones and consists of two 2048 x 4096 pixel CCDs, which gives it about 16.8 megapixels.

    In Chile, a new 3,200 megapixel telescope will be able to map the entire Galaxy, expected to be running by 2022.

    Pixels don't matter? Or do they? You decide.

    Again, not saying bigger is better overall, just that there's benifits of having it (also cons of having it too). I like to zoom/crop images a lot and take nature/outdoor photos, a smaller megapixel camera results in pixelated images when zoomed in. A Reddit user claimed that the Note 8 telephoto was fake, he concluded it was just mostly software trickery.. basically the software was just zooming in.. pixelation occurs with a smaller MP camera when zooming in (Note 8 telephoto was weak IMO). The LG V series opted for a 16MP because they wanted a focus on video recording, when you zoom in on a video, you need higher megapixels otherwise the video will be pixelated.

    Calling me biased but you seem to be biased too BC you have probably a Samsung/Apple/Pixel/Moto/HTC which has a 12MP. No doubt their cameras are good (maybe better than LG), however LG cameras were designed for a different purpose rather than simply taking everyday photos/selfies and posting it on social media.

    Again, I'll repeat again, I'm not saying megapixels are overall better, just that there's benifits such as less pixelation when zooming in. When Samsung went from their 16MP camera on the Galaxy S6 to the 12MP camera on the Galaxy S7, I immediately recognized a difference.. yeah cool the camera is faster and low light is better, but I can see with my naked eyes the difference. Some people won't and some people don't care, again they use their cameras for the basics such as for social media and non-commercial use.
    The point is, if you rank the top 10 attributes of good mobile camera technology, the number of megapixels most likely isn't on that list.
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    06-23-2018 03:45 PM
  19. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Completely false statement.

    A perfectly calibrated LCD and a perfectly calibrated LED display at the same relative brightness look as close to identical as makes all odds. There should be no difference in relative temperature or saturation.
    Exactly.... That's what calibrated means.
    06-23-2018 07:13 PM
  20. flyingkytez's Avatar
    Completely false statement.

    A perfectly calibrated LCD and a perfectly calibrated LED display at the same relative brightness look as close to identical as makes all odds. There should be no difference in relative temperature or saturation.
    Why does the skin look redder on an AMOLED? Or is it just your brain confused?

    Also, why doesn't white look actually white (compared to LCD)? Serious question. I have yet to see an AMOLED screen with a white color that matches or is better than LCD. Or is it just your brain playing tricks on you like an optical illusion?

    BTW Samsung is the only one that can get the colors as close as possible. The Pixel 2 XL looks very bad, extremely reddish screen... Only Samsung has the SUPER-AMOLED technology, they don't give that it to others, everyone else has the generic AMOLED which does not have the accurate colors and is easier to burn in. (The iPhone X has super-AMOLED, the only non-Samsung phone to have it. They probably paid extra for it, still colors look warm and skin looks reddish).
    06-24-2018 11:44 AM
  21. flyingkytez's Avatar
    The point is, if you rank the top 10 attributes of good mobile camera technology, the number of megapixels most likely isn't on that list.
    I know that, that's why I said it doesn't mean it's better, just that there are some benifits, especially to certain people.

    BTW Samsung's S9 slow-mo video look like junk, quality looks very pixelated. Cool feature though.
    06-24-2018 11:45 AM
  22. flyingkytez's Avatar
    Exactly.... That's what calibrated means.
    Not all are calibrated. Pixel 2 looks very red, not sure what happened there, LG may have messed up.
    06-24-2018 12:02 PM
  23. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Not all are calibrated. Pixel 2 looks very red, not sure what happened there, LG may have messed up.
    No, you're missing the point. If the screen is calibrated, colours will be accurate. If your Pixel 2 is "too red", it is not properly calibrated. That is possible - manufacturers often only do basic calibration on the production line, but I wouldn't expect it to be too far out. Maybe you should take your phone back to the shop where you bought it and get a repair or replacement?
    06-24-2018 12:08 PM
  24. Itsa_Me_Mario's Avatar
    Why does the skin look redder on an AMOLED? Or is it just your brain confused?

    Also, why doesn't white look actually white (compared to LCD)? Serious question. I have yet to see an AMOLED screen with a white color that matches or is better than LCD. Or is it just your brain playing tricks on you like an optical illusion?
    No, you're missing the point. If the screen is calibrated, colours will be accurate. If your Pixel 2 is "too red", it is not properly calibrated. That is possible - manufacturers often only do basic calibration on the production line, but I wouldn't expect it to be too far out. Maybe you should take your phone back to the shop where you bought it and get a repair or replacement?
    Not all are calibrated. Pixel 2 looks very red, not sure what happened there, LG may have messed up.
    Not positive, but I think for white point you're talking about your subjective preference for a warmer or cooler display. As an example, the S8 and S9 devices have a white point that is calibrated too low, at 6150-6250K. Smartphones, like monitors used for photograph editing, are calibrated to D65, which is 6500K. This is slightly more blue than D63, which is used for cinema content in a dark theater.

    Now, I don't know which display settings you use on LG phones, but you are almost definitely not looking at Samsung phones in "basic" mode, which is the sRGB color accurate mode that they have. Out of the box, they are set to a much heavier saturated mode that skews colors a lot. The LG V20 as an example, has a white point of about 9250K, which is WAY off of the perfect setting of 6500K. It also has an extremely large Delta-E on the sRGB calibration. The LG V30 brought their white point down to about, 7825K, which cut their error percentage in half. That's an LED display, right? It's only 20% deviated from perfect, while the LG V20's LCD was 42% deviated. If you're looking at the LG V20 and thinking, "this looks good" - then that just means you have a preference for inaccurate colors.

    In general, numbers higher than 6500 are going to appear more blue and numbers lower are going to appear more red - but, they're also relative to each other - the Pixel 2 XL has a white point of about 6800, which is less than 5% deviation and it will look more red than the V30 and V20, but more blue than the Note 8, which has a white point of about 6475, which is less than .5% deviation and is one of the most perfect displays out on this metric. So if you are used to the overly cool (values significantly higher than 6500K) display, than the warmer displays, even if they're still cooler than perfect, are going to look off from that subjective standpoint.

    The most important thing, is that even though these displays look "more red" (warmer) than what you are used to, that does not mean they are inaccurate - quite the contrary, every device I've just named is far more acculturate on the display temperature metric than every LG flagship made in recent years. Here's a chart to display the most recent Apple, Samsung and Google devices and how they rate on color temperature:

    LG V40, what would you want to see?-temps.jpg

    As you can see, compared to the industry standard - which is the same standard used for PC monitors used by professional photographers - the recent LG flagships are wildly inaccurate on color temperature. I threw in the Nexus 5X as well though, as it is produced by LG but calibrated Google's display preferences, not LG's. As you can see, the Nexus 5X was night and day better than anything LG does on its own - nearly 4 times more accurate on this metric. This supports the conclusion that this is an intentional decision being made by LG and not related to the type of display being used. The V30 and the Pixel 2 XL share display tech and are both made by LG - and the Pixel 2 XL is nearly 4 times more accurate on white point than the V30. This also supports the conclusion that LG is intentionally making their displays significantly cooler than the rest of the industry.

    So to reiterate, LG is intentionally making their displays with an extremely cool color temperature that can have an immense impact on your perceptions when looking at (technically) better displays because almost all displays are going to look extremely warm compared to the wildly inaccurate temperatures of LG's display settings. This is the main reason that we use tools to measure these things, rather than eyeballing it.
    06-24-2018 12:31 PM
  25. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Not positive, but I think for white point you're talking about your subjective preference for a warmer or cooler display.
    No! This is not about my subjective preference! I am talking about measuring and calibrating a display in an objective way so that white is white. Personal preference does not enter into it.

    The rest of your post is interesting, although I would need to see where you got your numbers from before drawing any conclusions. Could you provide any information on the relationship between the colour temperature and the perceived error in delta-e's? Simply quoting an error of "42%" based on the value in Kelvin doesn't tell us how bad a display will look (although I suspect it will indeed look quite bad).
    06-24-2018 03:18 PM
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