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  1. piizzadude's Avatar
    No it is a subsidiary of Google

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    12-29-2012 03:26 AM
  2. Serial Fordicator's Avatar
    I've already posted a link at post 42 that says its coming to Verizon

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    12-29-2012 08:11 AM
  3. TheLibertarian's Avatar
    Since I'm pretty sure this isn't a Nexus, why would it not come to Verizon?

    I think in a similar vein as the GS3, it will come to all of the carriers.
    I think it will come to VZW... maybe you didn't intend to quote me?
    12-29-2012 08:15 AM
  4. craZDude's Avatar
    I think it will come to VZW... maybe you didn't intend to quote me?
    I think all of the negatives being used in that part of the conversation confused me, sorry :-)
    12-29-2012 01:37 PM
  5. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Motorola is Google
    No moto is a completely separate company. Only difference between them and any other manufacturers is that Google knows their profit numbers and can choose to change their management.

    Other than that, there is no difference. They have to bid on Google business just like everyone else. They can choose not to work for Google and Google can choose not to give them business. And there is very limited discussion between them before contracts are granted because of compliance laws.

    I know all this because I work for a company with the exact same relationship.

    The reason Google probably got moto was for their patents. Not the mediocre manufacturer that was attached with them. Moto still has some of the most broad cell phone patents around which are advantageous in both royalties and defending yourself in court

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    12-29-2012 02:36 PM
  6. GopherDroid's Avatar
    No moto is a completely separate company. Only difference between them and any other manufacturers is that Google knows their profit numbers and can choose to change their management.

    Other than that, there is no difference. They have to bid on Google business just like everyone else. They can choose not to work for Google and Google can choose not to give them business. And there is very limited discussion between them before contracts are granted because of compliance laws.

    I know all this because I work for a company with the exact same relationship.

    The reason Google probably got moto was for their patents. Not the mediocre manufacturer that was attached with them. Moto still has some of the most broad cell phone patents around which are advantageous in both royalties and defending yourself in court

    Sent from my ADR6425LVW
    Right, so Moto doesn't do it how Google wants it done, *poof* management change.
    12-29-2012 03:00 PM
  7. piizzadude's Avatar
    Contractually they can not give moto any advantages for five years. The last, and I mean last thing they want to do is **** off the chinese

    Sent from the nexus of the Android world, the SGS3.
    12-29-2012 04:44 PM
  8. craZDude's Avatar
    Of course, Samsung and LG are Korean, and Sony is Japanese. I don't think Google is that worried about angering ZTE :P haha
    12-29-2012 06:01 PM
  9. piizzadude's Avatar
    ZTE isn't the issue. To buy moto, Google had to agree to certain terms with the chinese. If they break that agreement the government can potentially cut them off from a BILLION consumers. There are penalties that I am sure are written into the contract, but the bigger penalties are how difficult the government can make it to access Google product and equipment. Heck they could redirect Google Web properties into oblivion.

    They can't just do what they want with moto.


    Sent from the nexus of the Android world, the SGS3.
    12-29-2012 06:28 PM
  10. craZDude's Avatar
    Well then. That makes a lot more sense :-)

    Does Motorola have much of a presence in China?
    12-29-2012 06:52 PM
  11. piizzadude's Avatar
    Besides you are forgetting about the juggernaut that is huewai or however you spell it.... :-)

    Sent from the nexus of the Android world, the SGS3.
    12-29-2012 06:59 PM
  12. piizzadude's Avatar
    I would think they would have a pretty big one if there was that much of an issue.

    Sent from the nexus of the Android world, the SGS3.
    12-29-2012 06:59 PM
  13. craZDude's Avatar
    Weren't you the one who said there was an issue? If you're not sure about Motorola's presence in China, then couldn't it be possible that Motorola doesn't have much of a presence then?
    12-29-2012 07:27 PM
  14. piizzadude's Avatar
    See post 84

    Sent from the nexus of the Android world, the SGS3.
    12-29-2012 07:58 PM
  15. GopherDroid's Avatar
    Because Google has never said "screw it" and decided China wasn't worth its government's totalitarian hand (sarcasm)
    12-29-2012 08:20 PM
  16. macewank's Avatar
    I'm really hoping this Motorola X stuff ends up being more of a *platform* and not just a couple of devices. A continuing range of devices that follow the same form factor, build quality, software, etc... basically, make them into Android's iDevice. Consistency #1.

    Stock android for sure. Bootloader? They could lock it or unlock it. I'm not sure I really care one way or the other, so long as it's a stock experience. A non removable battery would help with the form factor, and I think I'm OK with that as long as it's got ample power. The only time I ever take the battery out of my GNex is when the stupid thing locks up and I have to reboot it. Obviously, the specs will need to be on par with the latest and greatest when it hits.

    Oh, and I need to be able to buy it from the Google Play Store off contract. Because Unlimited data.
    12-29-2012 10:25 PM
  17. craZDude's Avatar
    I'm really hoping this Motorola X stuff ends up being more of a *platform* and not just a couple of devices. A continuing range of devices that follow the same form factor, build quality, software, etc... basically, make them into Android's iDevice. Consistency #1.

    Stock android for sure. Bootloader? They could lock it or unlock it. I'm not sure I really care one way or the other, so long as it's a stock experience. A non removable battery would help with the form factor, and I think I'm OK with that as long as it's got ample power. The only time I ever take the battery out of my GNex is when the stupid thing locks up and I have to reboot it. Obviously, the specs will need to be on par with the latest and greatest when it hits.

    Oh, and I need to be able to buy it from the Google Play Store off contract. Because Unlimited data.
    This phone or series of phones won't be stock. Then original rumor is saying that the skin will be on top of the stock OS. Again, this is not a nexus phone, and it doesn't make sense to release a phone that is stock when it's not a nexus. While stock may be clean, skins add differentiating features.

    I would guess that it won't be available from the Google play store for the same reason: it isn't a nexus. Google won't sell it directly because it isn't a Google phone, it's a Motorola phone.

    I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy if it were available cheaply off contract, but especially the Verizon version will not be available cheaply off contract.
    12-29-2012 11:53 PM
  18. Jaycemiskel's Avatar
    Right. This is a MOTOROLA phone, not a Nexus. People keep talking like it's going to be a Nexus.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
    12-30-2012 12:35 AM
  19. piizzadude's Avatar
    They keep hoping it is....
    12-30-2012 01:23 AM
  20. macewank's Avatar
    People also keep discrediting people by saying "its not a nexus" and for the most part, while the statement is true they're using it on the wrong argument.

    Being a Nexus device has nothing to do with unlocked bootloaders and stock android. Those 2 things are features of a Nexus phone, but having those features do not make it a Nexus device.

    What makes a Nexus a Nexus? Readily available stock images for reverting your device, readily available kernel and driver software that can be integrated easily into AOSP code, sold directly to consumers by Google.

    So yeah, its not going to be a Nexus. But that doesn't mean it can't be stock, can't be unlocked, etc... My wish for being able to buy it off of the play store is obviously a pipe dream but there's no reason why my other wishes aren't realistic.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    12-30-2012 11:04 AM
  21. gomezl7's Avatar
    Crazy they just came out with the Nexus 4

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    12-30-2012 11:06 AM
  22. Jaycemiskel's Avatar
    Crazy they just came out with the Nexus 4

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    When the Nexus 4 came out you didn't say but they just came out with the RAZR HD did you? It has nothing to do with the Nexus 4, but I give up lol.


    People also keep discrediting people by saying "its not a nexus" and for the most part, while the statement is true they're using it on the wrong argument.

    Being a Nexus device has nothing to do with unlocked bootloaders and stock android. Those 2 things are features of a Nexus phone, but having those features do not make it a Nexus device.

    What makes a Nexus a Nexus? Readily available stock images for reverting your device, readily available kernel and driver software that can be integrated easily into AOSP code, sold directly to consumers by Google.

    So yeah, its not going to be a Nexus. But that doesn't mean it can't be stock, can't be unlocked, etc... My wish for being able to buy it off of the play store is obviously a pipe dream but there's no reason why my other wishes aren't realistic.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    I believe it will have Blur, but other than that I totally agree with you.

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    12-30-2012 11:16 AM
  23. Dr0me's Avatar
    just wanted to confirm this phone will not be a nexus. carry on
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    12-30-2012 12:06 PM
  24. craZDude's Avatar
    People also keep discrediting people by saying "its not a nexus" and for the most part, while the statement is true they're using it on the wrong argument.

    Being a Nexus device has nothing to do with unlocked bootloaders and stock android. Those 2 things are features of a Nexus phone, but having those features do not make it a Nexus device.

    What makes a Nexus a Nexus? Readily available stock images for reverting your device, readily available kernel and driver software that can be integrated easily into AOSP code, sold directly to consumers by Google.

    So yeah, its not going to be a Nexus. But that doesn't mean it can't be stock, can't be unlocked, etc... My wish for being able to buy it off of the play store is obviously a pipe dream but there's no reason why my other wishes aren't realistic.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    Alrighty. I'm saying it won't be stock because of 1. The original leak said it wouldn't be stock, and 2. What phone from one of the major OEM's has been stock in the past year? Heck, I'm the past two years? In America, the only phones that are stock are nexuses. This is not very true of tablets, but phones are never stock when they aren't nexuses.

    In terms of it being unlocked, I agree, not being a nexus doesn't necessarily mean that it won't be unlocked and available off-contract, but that simply hasn't been the modus operandum for any phones other than nexuses here in the states. I much more strongly believe this phone will be far more similar to the Galaxy S 3 in how it is released, how it is marketed, and how Motorola tries to brand it.

    You also mentioned unlocked bootloaders. No phones come with unlocked bootloaders, not even nexuses. You do have to unlock them yourself. Motorola may make it easy or difficult to unlock the bootloader of this phone, but if it's popular enough I couldn't imagine there not being development for it one way or another.
    12-30-2012 12:41 PM
  25. piizzadude's Avatar
    The history of moto and Verizon say it will locked down tighter than a ducks a......

    Sent from the nexus of the Android world, the SGS3.
    12-30-2012 12:53 PM
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