05-21-2013 10:26 PM
53 123
tools
  1. Aquila's Avatar
    Good call if that's the case (I didn't know Moto did their own) but yeah, it would be pretty stupid to compete against themselves.....
    It all could be released by carriers in their individual events over the next couple of months too.
    05-15-2013 04:16 PM
  2. smooth3006's Avatar
    well i guess ill hold onto my upgrade on at&t until this moto phone or the next nexus is announced. looks as it could be into the fall before we get any real decent new phones.
    05-15-2013 08:47 PM
  3. smooth3006's Avatar
    It all could be released by carriers in their individual events over the next couple of months too.
    i just find it hard to believe it's passing through the fcc days ago for at&t but it will take months to release or reveal?
    Aquila and ludesleep like this.
    05-15-2013 08:48 PM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    i just find it hard to believe it's passing through the fcc days ago for at&t but it will take months to release or reveal?
    I don't know when AT&T's event is, Verizon should be end of this month.
    05-15-2013 08:50 PM
  5. mookiekillsit's Avatar
    I don't know when AT&T's event is, Verizon should be end of this month.
    Que? I'm going to research this but in case I can;t figure it out, could you link me to it or at least tell me what it's called? I didn't know they did this. Man, it's only 9 AM and I've learned a lot so far today hahaha
    05-16-2013 09:14 AM
  6. smooth3006's Avatar
    i asked at&t today and they don't know of any new moto device coming. shame as i have an upgrade im sitting on.
    05-16-2013 02:22 PM
  7. Ry's Avatar
    i asked at&t today and they don't know of any new moto device coming. shame as i have an upgrade im sitting on.
    Even if they did, they're not supposed to say anything until they're allowed to say something.
    05-16-2013 02:30 PM
  8. smooth3006's Avatar
    The AT&T 'XFON' Shows Up in Benchmarks. Not Looking Very Moto X.

    if this is true im going to pass. since there doesn't appear to be any good phones coming until the fall ill probably pick up a optimus g pro for the time being.
    05-16-2013 03:52 PM
  9. jreacher's Avatar
    I'm running out of potential new phones to buy
    I have a feeling this is just a mid range and we haven't seen the high end (hoping anyway)
    05-17-2013 06:06 PM
  10. dcunited08's Avatar
    Interesting we saw no rumors during i/o. I would not be surprised if it was more mid level on par with the N4. The real goals of the project, as I see them, are price, battery life, near- vanilla android.

    Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2
    05-17-2013 11:49 PM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    Interesting we saw no rumors during i/o. I would not be surprised if it was more mid level on par with the N4. The real goals of the project, as I see them, are price, battery life, near- vanilla android.

    Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2
    The N4 is mid-level? By summer 2013 standards it's still top 5 devices out there and on the day it was released it was the highest end phone in existence. Is the Galaxy S3 a mid level phone?
    TheLibertarian likes this.
    05-17-2013 11:57 PM
  12. dcunited08's Avatar
    The N4 is mid-level? By summer 2013 standards it's still top 5 devices out there and on the day it was released it was the highest end phone in existence. Is the Galaxy S3 a mid level phone?
    Last year's high end are now mid level, the S3 is still a great phone but what would you call it if it came out today? Not high end I would imagine.

    Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2
    05-18-2013 01:33 AM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    Last year's high end are now mid level, the S3 is still a great phone but what would you call it if it came out today? Not high end I would imagine.

    Sent from my SGH-I777 using Tapatalk 2
    Okay I think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying the N4 was a mid-range device. It's priced lower than mid-ranged devices, but being as it's still one of the best devices available and it's certainly the best value available, that I'd disagree with. The S3 released today would be a mid-range device, but since last year's Moto's, the Razr HD and Razr HD Maxx, were already better than the S3 - from a spec's perspective, expecting them to release something worse than last year's seems off. Every Nexus ever released has been the best device in it's niche (size and time of release) and three of them hold records still for being the longest running device to lead in their category. That's what I was questioning, if you were saying the Nexus devices were budget devices, etc.
    05-18-2013 01:53 AM
  14. dcunited08's Avatar
    Okay I think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying the N4 was a mid-range device. It's priced lower than mid-ranged devices, but being as it's still one of the best devices available and it's certainly the best value available, that I'd disagree with. The S3 released today would be a mid-range device, but since last year's Moto's, the Razr HD and Razr HD Maxx, were already better than the S3 - from a spec's perspective, expecting them to release something worse than last year's seems off. Every Nexus ever released has been the best device in it's niche (size and time of release) and three of them hold records still for being the longest running device to lead in their category. That's what I was questioning, if you were saying the Nexus devices were budget devices, etc.
    All I am trying to say (and not doing a great job at it) is not to expect it to wow from a spec perspective over what we have already seen this year. It probably doesn't need the 800 and 3GB of RAM. Anyone who says 4GB certainly doesn't know what they are talking about because ARM has not released 64bit yet.

    Smartphone specs are starting to run into the law of diminishing return for most users except in the battery and camera departments. Unless the form factor morphs into something that requires more horsepower, the high end phones from last year do the job quite well. If the always listening feature pans out then that may warrant a better processor or if it has a Chromebook mode with a dock I want the fastest A15 I can get. If, though, it is to be a good smartphone with wide appeal I would like to see them push the envelope in battery life, updates and price even if it has a S4 Pro or one of the new 400s in it.

    Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk HD
    Aquila likes this.
    05-19-2013 09:26 AM
  15. bp3dots's Avatar
    Okay I think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying the N4 was a mid-range device. It's priced lower than mid-ranged devices, but being as it's still one of the best devices available and it's certainly the best value available, that I'd disagree with. The S3 released today would be a mid-range device, but since last year's Moto's, the Razr HD and Razr HD Maxx, were already better than the S3 - from a spec's perspective, expecting them to release something worse than last year's seems off. Every Nexus ever released has been the best device in it's niche (size and time of release) and three of them hold records still for being the longest running device to lead in their category. That's what I was questioning, if you were saying the Nexus devices were budget devices, etc.
    A lot of that is due to Google's Nexus release cycle being in the "off season" for smartphones. Everyone else drops their heavy hitters in the spring.

    Not saying they aren't nice devices, but on the same cycle, they wouldn't be nearly as stand out. The N4, without the low price point, wouldn't be a big draw to consumers vs what's on the market now.
    Aquila likes this.
    05-20-2013 12:27 AM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    A lot of that is due to Google's Nexus release cycle being in the "off season" for smartphones. Everyone else drops their heavy hitters in the spring.

    Not saying they aren't nice devices, but on the same cycle, they wouldn't be nearly as stand out. The N4, without the low price point, wouldn't be a big draw to consumers vs what's on the market now.
    True, I agree with that; but released and actually marketed, no supply issues, etc, etc. 6 months earlier and HTC might not be a company and S3's may have been a marginal device, the LG O Pro might be bigger than the S4... timing is a big influence (and I know I said a lot of big "if's", but as a 2012 phone the Nexus 4 is fairly graded against the S3 and HTC One X, and to a lesser degree (although a more appropriate degree if based only on timing) the Droid DNA and Note 2. Q3/Q4 phones should always be better than Q1/Q2, etc. etc.
    05-20-2013 12:40 AM
  17. return_0's Avatar
    A lot of that is due to Google's Nexus release cycle being in the "off season" for smartphones. Everyone else drops their heavy hitters in the spring.
    ...what? Droid DNA was announced a month after the N4. Xperia Z, another month later. A month and a half later, the One. And the Optimus G and Padfone 2 were released within weeks of the N4.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    Aquila likes this.
    05-20-2013 12:45 AM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    ...what? Droid DNA was announced a month after the N4. Xperia Z, another month later. A month and a half later, the One. And the Optimus G and Padfone 2 were released within weeks of the N4.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    Its just Sammy and HTC at the end of spring. Lg it's all year, moto summer. HTC and Sammy have some releases too for hot seasons.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
    05-20-2013 12:51 AM
  19. bp3dots's Avatar
    ...what? Droid DNA was announced a month after the N4. Xperia Z, another month later. A month and a half later, the One. And the Optimus G and Padfone 2 were released within weeks of the N4.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    The DNA isn't HTC's big phone of the year, its the late release of last years HTC One X that everyone else got. The Optimus G is basically the same as the N4, but again, it's basically "last years" model, with the Pro series being this year's competitive flagship.

    The GS4, HTC One, and Z all hit shelves within the last 2 months.
    Aquila likes this.
    05-20-2013 12:56 AM
  20. Aquila's Avatar
    The DNA isn't HTC's big phone of the year, its the late release of last years HTC One X that everyone else got. The Optimus G is basically the same as the N4, but again, it's basically "last years" model, with the Pro series being this year's competitive flagship.

    The GS4, HTC One, and Z all hit shelves within the last 2 months.
    The Butterfly/DNA was HTC's best device, but their biggest release was definitely the One X. Honestly, if Verizon hadn't picked up a build of the Butterfly, most of us probably would never have heard of it.
    05-20-2013 01:00 AM
  21. bp3dots's Avatar
    True, I agree with that; but released and actually marketed, no supply issues, etc, etc. 6 months earlier and HTC might not be a company and S3's may have been a marginal device, the LG O Pro might be bigger than the S4... timing is a big influence (and I know I said a lot of big "if's", but as a 2012 phone the Nexus 4 is fairly graded against the S3 and HTC One X, and to a lesser degree (although a more appropriate degree if based only on timing) the Droid DNA and Note 2. Q3/Q4 phones should always be better than Q1/Q2, etc. etc.
    That's the key. the N4 should be a clear favorite over the One X and S3, but it's still pretty darn close.
    Aquila likes this.
    05-20-2013 01:02 AM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    That's the key. the N4 should be a clear favorite over the One X and S3, but it's still pretty darn close.
    To the One X I'd be willing to call it close, the S3 I'd compare (and have for about a year, to the sound of aghast Sammy fans) to the Galaxy Nexus. On the spec sheet the Gnex is much more similar to the S2, but from an experience standpoint the S3 and GNex seem much closer together than the S3 and N4. Of course, I've never played with an S3 on 4.2.2 yet, so it's possible that the gap has widened. I'd definitely put the S4 and N4 closer together than the N4 and S3. The N4 and S4 are both still top 5 devices, while the S3 is either 9 or 11 on the top 10, depending on the survey. Best is obviously a very subjective concept, but I think it should strongly consider software obsolescence.
    05-20-2013 01:09 AM
  23. osubeavs728's Avatar
    The Butterfly/DNA was HTC's best device, but their biggest release was definitely the One X. Honestly, if Verizon hadn't picked up a build of the Butterfly, most of us probably would never have heard of it.
    Verizon didn't pick up a version of the butterfly. .. They jointly created the DNA and then let the Japanese carrier use it. So it was coming regardless
    05-20-2013 02:09 AM
  24. Aquila's Avatar
    Verizon didn't pick up a version of the butterfly. .. They jointly created the DNA and then let the Japanese carrier use it. So it was coming regardless
    That's the first time I've heard that. The Butterfly was in the news for months before the DNA was mentioned as anything other than a theoretical "Droid One or Droid Fighter". Maybe Verizon was much better at keeping the secret? It was also released as the Butterfly first (doesn't necessarily mean anything, look at the S4 going to Verizon last). Neither of those things would suggest that Verizon didn't have some input into the device, but I would seriously doubt the claim that Verizon let another company use their phone and/or that it was made for Verizon specifically. The actual One X -ish comparison on Verizon, until the DNA 7 months later, was the Droid Inc 2, which was inferior to the One X, but timing was much more similar.
    05-20-2013 02:20 AM
  25. osubeavs728's Avatar
    That's the first time I've heard that. The Butterfly was in the news for months before the DNA was mentioned as anything other than a theoretical "Droid One or Droid Fighter". Maybe Verizon was much better at keeping the secret? It was also released as the Butterfly first (doesn't necessarily mean anything, look at the S4 going to Verizon last). Neither of those things would suggest that Verizon didn't have some input into the device, but I would seriously doubt the claim that Verizon let another company use their phone and/or that it was made for Verizon specifically. The actual One X -ish comparison on Verizon, until the DNA 7 months later, was the Droid Inc 2, which was inferior to the One X, but timing was much more similar.
    It took some digging but i finally found what i was looking for. You can skip to the part that says "Droid DNA Long in the Works" HTC amps up Verizon's Droid franchise with Droid DNA | Mobile - CNET News

    Unfortunately the DInc2 was the One-x type competitor, which was kind of a shame because IMO the OneX was a lot more polished. Another unfortunate bit was that the DNA came seven months later, that's the whole timing thing you're referring to. If the verizon would have just gotten the One-X maybe the One could have came at the holiday season last year instead of the DNA. That would have been a real game changer! Which brings the tough challenge back to motorola to release a phone that catches people's attention in the midst of One and S4 talk (again timing like you said)
    Rizz1-2 and Aquila like this.
    05-20-2013 02:49 AM
53 123

Similar Threads

  1. Phone shipped but just got an email that order was cancelled!
    By lv2bsilly in forum Verizon Galaxy S III
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 07-09-2012, 01:24 PM
  2. If Bionic is indeed cancelled, what's your next phone?
    By aDroidtoRemember in forum Droid Bionic
    Replies: 111
    Last Post: 04-21-2011, 06:09 PM
  3. Call issue on spkr phone: noise cancellation?
    By anonymous239411 in forum Verizon HTC Thunderbolt
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 04-04-2011, 07:12 AM
  4. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 03-21-2011, 07:55 AM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD