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  1. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    It'd be awesome if they used an idea I mentioned a couple of years ago where they came with stock Android but were greeted with a setup guide on first boot to add optional 'manufacturer' software customization packages.

    In fact, I wish all Android devices were setup this way.





    I'd honestly settle for a no holds barred Nexus device on every network. I just don't understand why manufacturers haven't realized how much better and smoother a Nexus device truly is.
    07-04-2013 05:27 AM
  2. MRW1215's Avatar
    I'd honestly settle for a no holds barred Nexus device on every network. I just don't understand why manufacturers haven't realized how much better and smoother a Nexus device truly is.
    True, but it's all about product differentiation. If the OS looked the same across all devices, it'd be harder for manufacturers to make their phones "stand out" from their competitors to the average consumer. Samsung wants you to see a phone and know it's a Samsung phone, HTC wants you to see a phone and know it's an HTC phone, etc. Otherwise, at first glance, every phone would just look like a generic Android phone. Yanno?
    Ry, Aquila and lets_go_android like this.
    07-04-2013 10:19 AM
  3. bunique4life05's Avatar
    With one checkbox, I can proceed to install any APK on my DROID Bionic. If I've developed it correctly and the install is successful, I can now test on Android 4.1.2.

    Now I can grab a Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Play edition. Check that same box. Install my APK. Now that I can test my app against an Android 4.2.2 environment.

    Same with an HTC One Google Play edition.

    There will be even more devices out there for Android application developers if Motorola launches the MOTO X running the most current Android base. And the X phone should have wider distribution than the Nexus 4.

    As an app developer, there is less of a need for a Nexus line.

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    Elaborate on this "one check box" because I don't understand what you mean?

    Cause what your saying seem app developers can take any android device and develop apps on?

    If yes then the nexus line is already not needed but why do still seem to be pinicale device for android developers?


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    07-04-2013 12:11 PM
  4. recDNA's Avatar
    Yes, I too hope the specs are just for the base model because otherwise it would be about a year behind for a flag ship phone. Leo Laporte mentioned that he was invited to a Motorola/Google event by Guy Kawasaki (Motorola) on July 10-11, perhaps this is the unveiling. Timing would be about right. I hadn't heard anything from Phil regarding this event. I hope you can customize more than just color. My dream configuration:
    5.7" 1080 screen
    Removable battery >16 hr battery life
    Wireless charging
    NFC
    Fastest processor there is
    Kevlar or Carbon Fiber back (something that isn't finger print magnet and won't scratch)
    Soft rubber covered corners
    Titanium edges
    All external parts removable/changeable in case something gets broken or scratched.
    Sounds good... now make it a google phone w 4G on VZW with at least 2 gig ram/32 gb rom.

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    07-04-2013 12:21 PM
  5. recDNA's Avatar
    It'd be awesome if they used an idea I mentioned a couple of years ago where they came with stock Android but were greeted with a setup guide on first boot to add optional 'manufacturer' software customization packages.

    In fact, I wish all Android devices were setup this way.





    I'd honestly settle for a no holds barred Nexus device on every network. I just don't understand why manufacturers haven't realized how much better and smoother a Nexus device truly is.
    It's got to be a conspiracy. The one decent Nexus had a terrible radio that never got much better. Since then 3G Nexus? Are you kidding me? Nexus lovers are the type who need state of the art hardware!

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    07-04-2013 12:23 PM
  6. Ry's Avatar
    Elaborate on this "one check box" because I don't understand what you mean?

    Cause what your saying seem app developers can take any android device and develop apps on?

    If yes then the nexus line is already not needed but why do still seem to be pinicale device for android developers?


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    One check box allows me to install an app from outside of Google Play.

    The Nexus devices were always on the latest version of Android. With Google Play edition phones, it's likely the Nexus line won't be alone in getting updated quickly. And if Google forces Motorola (a Google company) to not modify Android the way they used to (MOTOBLUR) and use the latest version of Android, the Nexus become less relevant to application developers.

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    07-04-2013 01:07 PM
  7. Ry's Avatar
    True, but it's all about product differentiation. If the OS looked the same across all devices, it'd be harder for manufacturers to make their phones "stand out" from their competitors to the average consumer. Samsung wants you to see a phone and know it's a Samsung phone, HTC wants you to see a phone and know it's an HTC phone, etc. Otherwise, at first glance, every phone would just look like a generic Android phone. Yanno?
    Thank you.

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    07-04-2013 01:08 PM
  8. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    It's got to be a conspiracy. The one decent Nexus had a terrible radio that never got much better. Since then 3G Nexus? Are you kidding me? Nexus lovers are the type who need state of the art hardware!
    Well, the hardware was garbage (made by Samsung, of course), but the software was buttery smooth.

    Manufacturers always screw crap up. Samsung's stutter like crazy, that RAZR HD you got has quite a bit of lag/stutter due to a Motorola power saving script, but at least looks like stock Android. HTCs skin actually works pretty well on the HTC One.

    I still plan on getting either the HTC One and loading a GE ROM port or a Moto X or 2013 RAZR, but I have a feeling the Motos will be crappy AMOLED.
    07-04-2013 01:42 PM
  9. bunique4life05's Avatar
    One check box allows me to install an app from outside of Google Play.

    The Nexus devices were always on the latest version of Android. With Google Play edition phones, it's likely the Nexus line won't be alone in getting updated quickly. And if Google forces Motorola (a Google company) to not modify Android the way they used to (MOTOBLUR) and use the latest version of Android, the Nexus become less relevant to application developers.

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    I though there more to developing on android then just apps?

    Nexus devices for developers are used to build apps. The nexus devices come with latest unlock stock android giving developers a blueprint build on next gen software. This gives Nexus that appeal to have.

    Now if I understand if Motorola pushes out stock android even if locked that one check box will allow access exactly like a Nexus device. Thus would deminish the purpose of having the Nexus Device.

    I understand and agree with your point but it hinges on "the one check" access. If these motorola devices did not allow any access of any kind to develop on couldn't both the X phone and Nexus devices co exist?


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    07-04-2013 02:13 PM
  10. Ry's Avatar
    I though there more to developing on android then just apps?

    Nexus devices for developers are used to build apps. The nexus devices come with latest unlock stock android giving developers a blueprint build on next gen software. This gives Nexus that appeal to have.

    Now if I understand if Motorola pushes out stock android even if locked that one check box will allow access exactly like a Nexus device. Thus would deminish the purpose of having the Nexus Device.

    I understand and agree with your point but it hinges on "the one check" access. If these motorola devices did not allow any access of any kind to develop on couldn't both the X phone and Nexus devices co exist?


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    Oh wait. Developers still to check a box to (sideload) install and test their apps on a Nexus device.

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    07-04-2013 03:35 PM
  11. bunique4life05's Avatar
    Oh wait. Developers still to check a box to (sideload) install and test their apps on a Nexus device.

    Posted via Android Central App
    OK...?


    I understand and agree with your point but it hinges on "the one check" access. If these motorola devices did not allow any access of any kind to develop on couldn't both the X phone and Nexus devices co exist?


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    Did your last post answer my question? If so please explain?

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    07-04-2013 06:30 PM
  12. Ry's Avatar
    Did your last post answer my question? If so please explain?

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    This goes back to app developers vs. ROM developers. The Nexus gives app developers access to the latest version of Android to develop and test against. With the Google Play edition phones plus Motorola going strictly "stock" Android, there's less of a dependency on the Nexus line.

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    07-04-2013 08:52 PM
  13. bunique4life05's Avatar

    I understand and agree with your point but it hinges on "the one check" access. If these motorola devices did not allow any access of any kind to develop on couldn't both the X phone and Nexus devices co exist?


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    Well as I see if the Motorola devices are locked the Nexus line will be ok.

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    07-04-2013 09:07 PM
  14. Ry's Avatar
    Well as I see if the Motorola devices are locked the Nexus line will be ok.

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    Please clarify locked. My only concern is app developers - not ROM developers.
    07-05-2013 12:54 PM
  15. bunique4life05's Avatar
    Please clarify locked. My only concern is app developers - not ROM developers.
    Locked meaning blocking any access to develop ROM,app, etc.

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    07-05-2013 02:01 PM
  16. Ry's Avatar
    Locked meaning blocking any access to develop ROM,app, etc.

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    Boom. And there you go.

    ROM development IMO is not relevant to the masses.

    For the most part, no one is blocked from developing an app. ROMs are another story.
    07-05-2013 02:03 PM
  17. dss2000's Avatar
    Yes, maybe it is an 11, as in July 11 when the press event is scheduled for.
    What's what I said two days ago:

    Does Moto X ad suggest July product announcement?

    Does Moto X ad suggest July 11 product announcement? | Android and Me
    07-05-2013 09:06 PM
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    07-05-2013 09:08 PM
  19. bunique4life05's Avatar
    Boom. And there you go.

    ROM development IMO is not relevant to the masses.

    For the most part, no one is clocked from developing an app. ROMs are another story.
    Are you arguing that you can't restrict the use of developing apps on android devices thus having moto with lastest stock android would destroy the purpose of Nexus?

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    07-05-2013 10:52 PM
  20. jova33's Avatar
    No, that if the Moto X came with stock android and an unlockable bootloader and was ripe for ROM dependent then the a Nexus phone wouldn't be necessary.

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    07-06-2013 12:19 AM
  21. STARGATE's Avatar
    After stupid motorola burned me by not updating my Photon 4G, I don't give a rat's behind about them!
    The people at motorola who made that stupid decision should go to hell for all I care!

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    07-06-2013 12:58 AM
  22. Ry's Avatar
    Are you arguing that you can't restrict the use of developing apps on android devices thus having moto with lastest stock android would destroy the purpose of Nexus?

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    Destroy? If you want to make it that dramatic, sure. Again, the purpose of the Nexus for application developers is to be able to develop and test against the latest version of Android. The combination of the Google Play edition phones combine with the possibility that Google forces Motorola to ship "stock" only (these Motorola phones would have a much wider release than the Nexus phones) would make the Nexus less relevant and probably redundant.

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    07-06-2013 01:55 AM
  23. bunique4life05's Avatar
    Destroy? If you want to make it that dramatic, sure. Again, the purpose of the Nexus for application developers is to be able to develop and test against the latest version of Android. The combination of the Google Play edition phones combine with the possibility that Google forces Motorola to ship "stock" only (these Motorola phones would have a much wider release than the Nexus phones) would make the Nexus less relevant and probably redundant.

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    Lol you missed the question entirely.

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    07-06-2013 02:09 AM
  24. bunique4life05's Avatar
    (Are YOU ARGUING that you CAN'T RESTRICTED the use of DEVELOPING APPS on android devices thus having moto with lastest stock android would lessen the need fo Nexus device?

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    @RY
    Ignore the destroy part in my post

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    07-06-2013 02:15 AM
  25. Ry's Avatar
    Lol you missed the question entirely.

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    Remember, I'm only concerned with Android application development. Not ROM development.

    For application developers, having access to a Nexus phone means they can develop and test their application on the latest version of Android. If Google forces Motorola to ship "stock" Android on all new Motorola phones (and keeps them up to date, implied because Motorola is a Google company now), there is less of a need to rely on a Nexus phone to get access to the latest version of Android.

    Yes. Please read it over again. If Motorola ships stock Android and keeps it up to date, there is less of a need to have a Nexus line of phones. Android's latest (and greatest) would be shown off on Motorola devices instead of Nexus devices.





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    07-06-2013 04:40 AM
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