08-05-2013 06:46 PM
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  1. kendelahoussaye's Avatar
    What did you expect?

    How much were those expectations tied to reality versus how much were they pipe dreams that you couldn't let go of?

    Just curious because I'm not really disappointed by much other than the lack of a 32gb option and delaying of Moto Maker for Verizon.
    The lack of 32 or even a 64gb version on Sprint, the ATT exclusive on the 32gb and customization(for now, but both are completely bogus) and the price, so far is off the mark for me. Yeah, there are a few cool features and the customization is nice, but for the same price, there is nothing here to make me purchase this over the One. But on the other hand, if they are able to get this on every carrier, it gives me hope for a Sprint equipped Nexus 5.
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    08-01-2013 09:17 PM
  2. hodan's Avatar
    The phone is exactly what I was expecting. Looks good. Wasn't expecting them to use marketing to make up the spec difference between the x and the gs4 and one.

    At the end of the day youre paying a premium because this isn't bleeding edge hardware but its priced like it is.... where is that premium coming from?
    Apparently Moto has the luxury of acting like the same idiots they've always acted like. Business as usual. This phone is proof that Google had no business buying Moto.

    The only way to save this whole shebang is if Moto is making the Nexus 5 and it ISN'T like this.

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    08-01-2013 09:18 PM
  3. dan1431's Avatar
    I wonder how much push back Moto got from the carriers?

    I mean they may have said we are thinking about a certain price for the X phone and the carriers balked because it removed the incentive to sign a contract and we all know that contracts are the bread and butter of the phone business.

    If the Moto X was simply GSM/LTE based without any CDMA innards, than Moto could have said shove off to the carriers and priced the device at whatever price they desired, sold it unlocked and that would have been that.

    Instead they wanted wide distribution and that means CDMA and more cooperation with the carriers, especially VZW which all know loves CONTROL.

    I am still disappointed, I am going to wait for the Nexus 5 and I can because I use GSM, but the CDMA folks again get the shaft as they are at the mercy of the carriers and their (the carriers) wants and desires, not the customers.

    Dan
    08-01-2013 09:20 PM
  4. mech1164's Avatar
    Not many people at this jack arse price.

    I was looking forward to getting this to replace my ageing Gnex. Most of the stuff that has been known and that had been implied did point to it being midrange. With that knowledge, it was expected that pricing would be in line with that. What we got was just that but with the difference of there being two extra dsp's for the power down features. I'm sorry but if they think that is enough to justify this ridiculous price. I really want whatever they are smoking. Cause it must be great stuff.

    Now if they had all this but the cpu was top board I could understand. As it is this is a failure of the first order. Now we know why this event was done the way it was. They knew this flack was going to be coming their way. And they soo mightily deserve all of it.

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    08-01-2013 09:21 PM
  5. Kayone73's Avatar
    Or maybe different people said those things and you combined them in your head.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Nevertheless if you treat the Moto fanbase as a whole (and we are), that is the collective response.

    And I know individuals who said almost exactly what I wrote above, despite knowing how contradictory they sounded.


    Sent from my HTC One Sinless ver 2.7 Google Edition rom
    08-01-2013 09:34 PM
  6. apcman's Avatar
    I just think that most people by the phones in their individual carriers store. I don't see how this will sell if it is next to the S4. The galaxy line is very well known and if it is sitting next to a phone with a huge 1080P screen this phone might get thrown to the wayside. I want to get a phone that will last me for two years and I just don't know what android or future apps will demand in a year. Google does not know either. If I am going to spend 200-300 dollars on a phone, it better be able to handle the demands for the future. A lime green back does not warrant a higher price, I never knew someone to turn down a phone because of the back color. People mention the iphone has duel core, but that is different. That is one company making that phone and they tell the developers that these are the specs so do what you can with them. Android has a wide variety of of chips and different phones. A developer might write a program that does utilize that chips capabilities and eventually the X may not be able to handle it. A premium price does warrant the best specs possible and Moto dropped the ball. They are selling a mid tier phone for a premium price and pocketing the different and to me that is a little misleading. I for one will take my funds to buy a true premium device and if they want to charge a a lower price then I could understand. I could then see my self buying it but now as it stands, I will look at a different device.
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    08-01-2013 11:54 PM
  7. xoomer1's Avatar
    I am not complaining about the price, I am complaining about the specs...if I wanted a mid range phone I would have kept my razr...but after seeing what the X had inside...I went with the S4

    Everyone is happy that it's assembled in the US, but then complain about the price. This is the cost of having electronics assembled outside of Asia, Motorola need to factor in the much higher cost of wages.
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    08-02-2013 03:51 AM
  8. moosc's Avatar
    But u look its not a mid range device. 2gb 8core soc newest WiFi radios dual antenna lte micro sim.
    I am not complaining about the price, I am complaining about the specs...if I wanted a mid range phone I would have kept my razr...but after seeing what the X had inside...I went with the S4


    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
    08-02-2013 08:12 AM
  9. frozencloud's Avatar
    I see many readers saying they will wait for the new Nexus phone....but what happens if the new Nexus phone doesn't have LTE again or worst....it doesn't come at all.
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    08-02-2013 09:17 AM
  10. Woosh's Avatar
    After rethinking things over the last day.....I think the biggest annoyance for me is that they didn't reveal anything. They had no live event to show off their new hardware. They just said here it is. They opened up a website that people can't even use. Gave NO date on ANY carrier on which we can buy the phone. They won't tell us when we can order it straight from Moto and the pricing and which carriers the unlocked version will work with. Why have all these graphics that say August 1st when in reality the only thing we know are the specs that have been confirmed days, if not weeks before?

    They tease us for at least a month, maybe longer. Say there are surprises that haven't been leaked yet(Didn't see any)and overall didn't deliver anything special.

    I have small disappointments about the hardware but people forget easily. Saying this phone will be available sometime later imo is setup for failure. Esp when you are targeting a young crowd with this and seem to be doing advertising on social media. It just seems pointless to reveal a phone and not have it released within hours or days of you revealing it. It's even more pointless to reveal it and say that the launch days are still to be determined.
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    08-02-2013 09:19 AM
  11. ultravisitor's Avatar
    I just think that most people by the phones in their individual carriers store. I don't see how this will sell if it is next to the S4. The galaxy line is very well known and if it is sitting next to a phone with a huge 1080P screen this phone might get thrown to the wayside.
    When was the last time you were in a store observing the way someone was shopping?

    The last time I was in a carrier's store was a few weeks ago. A woman was in there to replace her Blackberry. The rep showed her the GS4, and as soon as the woman saw it, she didn't want it. Why? It was too big. She wanted something that wouldn't be difficult to hold and she refused to consider a Samsung because they were all just too big for her.

    I think the Moto X is going to do better than people think. It appears to be a nice size, and from all accounts, it fits well into people's hands. The screen is nice enough. And no, most people are not going to be thinking, "How well is this going to run apps 18 months from now?" They want something that feels good to them right at the moment when they are shopping in the store.
    08-02-2013 11:20 AM
  12. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    So much judgment for a device without even seeing or using it first. I haven't seen it at this level since the S4 was announced.

    08-02-2013 11:24 AM
  13. Dreshyne2g's Avatar
    I expected it to be 299 or 349 retail.
    08-02-2013 11:26 AM
  14. Woosh's Avatar
    When was the last time you were in a store observing the way someone was shopping?

    The last time I was in a carrier's store was a few weeks ago. A woman was in there to replace her Blackberry. The rep showed her the GS4, and as soon as the woman saw it, she didn't want it. Why? It was too big. She wanted something that wouldn't be difficult to hold and she refused to consider a Samsung because they were all just too big for her.

    I think the Moto X is going to do better than people think. It appears to be a nice size, and from all accounts, it fits well into people's hands. The screen is nice enough. And no, most people are not going to be thinking, "How well is this going to run apps 18 months from now?" They want something that feels good to them right at the moment when they are shopping in the store.
    You're right about that. Most the rage here is from ppl who were rdy to buy this thing off contract and they don't consider an average consumer walking into the store.

    I think they did a fairly good job at creating this phone. Their biggest mistake imo was giving ATT exclusive on designing the phone. Because once Verizon/Sprint/T-Mo gets it who knows what the competition will have out by that time. I think the big thing on whether this will sell or not is up to the sales staff and how willing they are to push it over something like the S4. I'm not sales person but Samsung has a good name and ppl know that, so if I were looking at an easy sale that might be the first thing I would suggest.

    I think an average consumer would be fairly happy with this phone. Unfortunately what makes it unique is only available to about 100m ppl instead of 300m ppl.
    08-02-2013 11:31 AM
  15. sledge007's Avatar
    So much judgment for a device without even seeing or using it first. I haven't seen it at this level since the S4 was announced.

    It's cheap entertainment.
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    08-02-2013 11:34 AM
  16. moosc's Avatar
    Why its not a Google phone. Aka nexus. Its a Motorola phone just like Samsung, lg, HTC etc. Google isn't going to price as a nexus because its not a nexus. This phone will sell more then any nexus regardless of price.
    I expected it to be 299 or 349 retail.


    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
    08-02-2013 12:00 PM
  17. mech1164's Avatar
    Google isn't going to price as a nexus because its not a nexus. This phone will sell more then any nexus regardless of price.



    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
    Ooohhh, You funny.
    08-02-2013 02:02 PM
  18. mech1164's Avatar
    I can deal with the locked bootloader and other stuff. I was hoping for timely updates. Maybe not as timely as the Nexus line but within a few weeks. Now that seems like a distant hope at best. Wanted to see if getting the better radios and battery was going to help. Unless they surprise us somehow in off contract pricing this is little more than a paperweight for me. Scratch that I can do more with the paperweight.
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    08-02-2013 02:07 PM
  19. tech_head's Avatar
    I see many readers saying they will wait for the new Nexus phone....but what happens if the new Nexus phone doesn't have LTE again or worst....it doesn't come at all.
    HTC One? Galaxy S4? The off contract price is going to be the same as the MotoX.
    08-02-2013 02:12 PM
  20. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    I seriously think that all of the carrier should have gotten the customizing ability and the 32gb model. By the way, isn't it creepy how round potatoe is liking and thanking most of the posts.
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    08-02-2013 04:15 PM
  21. tech_head's Avatar
    But u look its not a mid range device. 2gb 8core soc newest WiFi radios dual antenna lte micro sim.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
    You are buying the hype......
    They need to support LTE and the latest Wifi. They get that from Qualcomm.
    They have their custom contextual and natural language processors. That is different but the rest is a Snapdragon with only two cores and the GPU that the S600 has.
    It's missing two compute cores to be considered high end.

    Up until now nobody ever added GPU into the mix when counting cores.
    It's not high end. it's about middle of the range or a bit above.
    Remember those other cores do one thing or maybe a couple of things and aren't used for running apps.

    it's not a bad device, but the GS4 and the HTC One are 8 core and have also have a base band processor.

    The real benchmark is application processors and GPU performance in FPS at a particular resolution.
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    08-02-2013 05:21 PM
  22. Roundpotato's Avatar
    I seriously think that all of the carrier should have gotten the customizing ability and the 32gb model. By the way, isn't it creepy how round potatoe is liking and thanking most of the posts.
    Just supporting the truth .
    08-02-2013 05:47 PM
  23. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    You are buying the hype......
    They need to support LTE and the latest Wifi. They get that from Qualcomm.
    They have their custom contextual and natural language processors. That is different but the rest is a Snapdragon with only two cores and the GPU that the S600 has.
    It's missing two compute cores to be considered high end.

    Up until now nobody ever added GPU into the mix when counting cores.
    It's not high end. it's about middle of the range or a bit above.
    Remember those other cores do one thing or maybe a couple of things and aren't used for running apps.

    it's not a bad device, but the GS4 and the HTC One are 8 core and have also have a base band processor.

    The real benchmark is application processors and GPU performance in FPS at a particular resolution.
    They just do two things that would suck up a ton of battery and computer cycles if the general CPU cores had to do them.

    Yeah, no big deal really. :-P

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
    08-02-2013 06:44 PM
  24. Rackshatta's Avatar
    Everyone that would care to be commenting on this thread is probably only around 1% of the entire Android smartphone market. Most people with their smartphones will choose one that looks fancy over one with "The highest specs". I'll use my cousin for example. If she walked into an AT&T store to upgrade her phone (cause that's what she does). She will probably see the gs4 think its ugly the HTC one and think its super sleek but very large, and the X which she would probably think is just right, see that she can customize it, and choose that phone. Plus In the business world having cool stylish and unique devices could give you a 1 up on your competition. It makes you look rich and successful.

    Who can even tell the difference between a 1080p 5 inch screen vs a 720p 4.7 inch phone. Performance wise the X beats or ties with the Nexus 4 and HTC one at almost all its benchmarks, and beats the GS4 about half the time. Especially on the onscreen game tests but even on the offscreen tests. Everyone that's used it has said that its been really smooth and they like it. Do we really need 4 cores when the Nexus 4 performs day to day tasks with 2 of its cores turned off (which I did)?

    I don't think a lot of the people wishing this phone was 3-400 off contract even know how the Nexus 4 was cheaper. Motorola is still a hardware company! They need to make profits on their device! Google subsidized the N4! Google isn't allowed to subsidize a non nexus Motorola device due to the nature of their acquisition (or at least that's what I understand of it). The 3 main reasons this phone is more expensive is #1 its assembled in the USA so assembly costs more. #2 It has 3 processors instead of just 1, its like buying 3 cereal boxes instead of getting a larger bag. #3 Right now the Carriers are having huge influence on the devices cost.

    Personally once I could get a customized Moto x for myself on T-mobile I would. The always listening feature is something I would really use! I don't use Google now for searching because its faster to just pull it up in a browser, the always listening makes it much faster and easier. The screen displaying notifications and info is the biggest seller for me. That's a hugely useful feature to me, and to people that don't use their phone all day (the average consumer). Having the time and notifications just pop up quickly without changing a button will be really make things run smoother.
    08-02-2013 06:50 PM
  25. hodan's Avatar
    Everyone that would care to be commenting on this thread is probably only around 1% of the entire Android smartphone market. Most people with their smartphones will choose one that looks fancy over one with "The highest specs". I'll use my cousin for example. If she walked into an AT&T store to upgrade her phone (cause that's what she does). She will probably see the gs4 think its ugly the HTC one and think its super sleek but very large, and the X which she would probably think is just right, see that she can customize it, and choose that phone. Plus In the business world having cool stylish and unique devices could give you a 1 up on your competition. It makes you look rich and successful.

    Who can even tell the difference between a 1080p 5 inch screen vs a 720p 4.7 inch phone. Performance wise the X beats or ties with the Nexus 4 and HTC one at almost all its benchmarks, and beats the GS4 about half the time. Especially on the onscreen game tests but even on the offscreen tests. Everyone that's used it has said that its been really smooth and they like it. Do we really need 4 cores when the Nexus 4 performs day to day tasks with 2 of its cores turned off (which I did)?

    I don't think a lot of the people wishing this phone was 3-400 off contract even know how the Nexus 4 was cheaper. Motorola is still a hardware company! They need to make profits on their device! Google subsidized the N4! Google isn't allowed to subsidize a non nexus Motorola device due to the nature of their acquisition (or at least that's what I understand of it). The 3 main reasons this phone is more expensive is #1 its assembled in the USA so assembly costs more. #2 It has 3 processors instead of just 1, its like buying 3 cereal boxes instead of getting a larger bag. #3 Right now the Carriers are having huge influence on the devices cost.

    Personally once I could get a customized Moto x for myself on T-mobile I would. The always listening feature is something I would really use! I don't use Google now for searching because its faster to just pull it up in a browser, the always listening makes it much faster and easier. The screen displaying notifications and info is the biggest seller for me. That's a hugely useful feature to me, and to people that don't use their phone all day (the average consumer). Having the time and notifications just pop up quickly without changing a button will be really make things run smoother.
    People will not buy this phone over the One or S4. The One is cooler looking - and I have a hard time believing the display of the Moto X will be its equal. The sales people have incentives to push the S4 - maybe they will have the same thing with the X, no clue.

    Your reasons for the "increased" cost are not correct imo. Moto priced the X as a flagship phone - and $550-$650 is flagship pricing for everyone. It has nothing to do with the assembly cost or the parts. The Moto X is using a cheaper cpu than the S4, the One and several other flagship phones, so Moto is saving money on that.

    I agree that it would be quite convenient to just talk to your phone and not have to turn it on to see notifications. The phone has some cool features - but if it would have had the newest processor, a 1080 lcd display, and 32gb of storage, everyone on here banging on the phone (me included) would be talking it up instead of talking it down.
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    08-02-2013 11:35 PM
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