08-06-2013 08:28 PM
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  1. mattopotamus's Avatar
    Here's a link that discusses the ability to distinguish the difference between a 1080p and 720p smartphone screen. The bottom line conclusion is that you can't, at normal viewing distances. Demystifying the myth of full HD smart phone screens The Express Tribune Blog

    This becomes a bit more complex when you consider the fact that the Moto X has a non-pentile pixel arrangement and the S4 does.

    Posted via Android Central App
    it is the same thing with 1080p on TVs under 32". I don't think you can buy one under 32" with a 1080P screen since no one can tell the difference. People saying this phone will not sell next to the htc one and s4 must not know the power of marketing. People do have common sense. If i go in store and play with the s4 and notice lag b.c of touchwiz and none on the moto x...guess what I will pick regardless of the specs.

    The only reason "us" "forumers" are upset is b.c we strictly looked at the specs and expected a lower price. If you actually read about the x8 processor it is new and innovative. On a piece of paper the specs may blow away the moto x, but in reality that is not the case. The reviews are very strong.
    08-06-2013 09:32 AM
  2. JHBThree's Avatar
    Maybe you didn't read in that I teach workers how to use their smartphones and mobile devices? I've been in the tech industry for 6 years now. As in first hand experience I see what they go through everyday. Trust me most of them won't realize they will have such features available in the Moto X unless Motorola runs advertising in the same league as Samsung and Apple which is certainly doable with Google backing them up.
    The average Joe (my students) IS NOT going to sit around researching a phone for weeks on end. They will go to the store, pick out what they like and go home. That's why I said the customization is Moto's biggest selling point and also their worst mistake since they sold that exclusivity to AT&T. The voice commands and quick glances won't be strong enough selling points.
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    I stand by my statements: When it comes down to it, it will be a specs war at the store (remember specs are something many average joes are familiar with from their time with PC's. NOT voice commands or quick glances OR it will be a price war. Or both. Remember the voice commands on the Moto X are the same as any other 4.2.2 or newer android OS. The only difference is you can access this phone's voice commands from anywhere by just talking.
    Again, all your opinion. Not based on the facts.
    08-06-2013 01:36 PM
  3. asanatheist's Avatar
    Again, all your opinion. Not relevant based on the facts.
    As I implicitly said: I am using my experience to give an educated guess.
    This is far more constructive then your attempts of invalidation with asking of proof while not really providing proof yourself when you are the only one of us asking for proof.

    Where is this research, where are the links JHBThree?
    I came in with 6 years of experience in business never claimed to be factual.
    Samsung, Apple, and many others do research and we've yet to hear of these features coming from them, why do you think so? Do you really think Motorola knows something Samsung, Apple, and others don't know?

    I would appreciate if you didn't come in questioning my statements with such a pathetic argument. Let alone the fact you demanded proof while coming in empty handed yourself. Quite a hypocritical request, JHBThree.
    08-06-2013 01:58 PM
  4. JHBThree's Avatar
    As I implicitly said: I am using my experience to give an educated guess.
    This is far more constructive then your attempts of invalidation with asking of proof while not really providing proof yourself when you are the only one of us asking for proof.

    Where is this research, where are the links JHBThree?
    I came in with 6 years of experience in business never claimed to be factual.
    Samsung, Apple, and many others do research and we've yet to hear of these features coming from them, why do you think so? Do you really think Motorola knows something Samsung, Apple, and others don't know?
    The proof is in the feature Motorola chose and the studies Google forced them to conduct. (Which has been stated a half dozen times and you have ignored) Those studies are not public, but they exist and they were extensive. We know it because Motorola's executives have said so.

    The features speak for themselves. We all know Google is a data driven company, and anyone that is trying to claim that Motorola somehow was exempt from that doesn't know what they're talking about.

    Your experience is your experience, and has no bearing on the studies that Motorola conducted. Surely you are aware that your experience, and the people you work with, are not at all statistically significant, right?

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    08-06-2013 02:36 PM
  5. asanatheist's Avatar
    The proof is in the feature Motorola chose and the studies Google forced them to conduct. (Which has been stated a half dozen times and you have ignored) Those studies are not public, but they exist and they were extensive. We know it because Motorola's executives have said so.

    The features speak for themselves. We all know Google is a data driven company, and anyone that is trying to claim that Motorola somehow was exempt from that doesn't know what they're talking about.

    Your experience is your experience, and has no bearing on the studies that Motorola conducted. Surely you are aware that your experience, and the people you work with, are not at all statistically significant, right?

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    So what part of this paragraph is not hearsay or speculation?
    Studies are not public, the amount of work done and how it was done are not public.
    No executive in their right mind would admit that their studies are inconclusive, specially when they have a vested interest.

    Actually they are statistically significant. I don't train technicians, I train everyday people and workers. We've had customers who didn't even know how to unlock their phone's screens.
    08-06-2013 02:54 PM
  6. JHBThree's Avatar
    So what part of this paragraph is not hearsay or speculation?
    Studies are not public, the amount of work done and how it was done are not public.
    No executive in their right mind would admit that their studies are inconclusive, specially when they have a vested interest.

    Actually they are statistically significant. I don't train technicians, I train everyday people and workers. We've had customers who didn't even know how to unlock their phone's screens.
    Statistically significant does not mean what you think it means. Your experiences are not significant. I'm sorry that you believe they are, but statistically, they are not.

    As for the first part, are you honestly trying to claim Motorola and Google executives lied to the entire tech press? Apparently you are not familiar with how Google operates. This phone would not have been approved by Google unless the research backed up their plan.

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    08-06-2013 03:01 PM
  7. philly's Avatar
    I'm not an expert on this stuff so I don't know the answer to this.. maybe someone can help me.

    Would it have been possible for them to have put an s800 in their X8 platform or would the extra cores have taken up too much die space?

    how incredible would this phone be if that was possible though? I'm guessing the S800 probably cost 10-30 dollars more a piece over the S4 Pro? so bump the phone up to $600 and you have a ridiculously insane phone.. it would still have all its "casual" appeal and practical user appeal, but it would have won the heart of all the techies as well.. the phone would be hard to keep on the shelves.
    08-06-2013 03:20 PM
  8. asanatheist's Avatar
    Your experiences are not significant. I'm sorry that you believe they are, but statistically, they are not.

    As for the first part, are you honestly trying to claim Motorola and Google executives lied to the entire tech press? Apparently you are not familiar with how Google operates. This phone would not have been approved by Google unless the research backed up their plan.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
    When did the executives lie? They didn't, it's called marketing. It's how companies can get away with selling weaknesses as strengths (Apple anyone?).
    I don't mean to offend or anything but you may be green behind the ears when it comes to marketing and sales.
    08-06-2013 03:39 PM
  9. Paisley's Avatar
    Sry to but in with my 2 cents. i used to work at a Best Buy and in other areas of sales as well, ppl will buy what the sales person tells them is good. That goes for either the sales person telling them it's good, or Samsung brand name They are clueless. OR they will walk in already knowing what a friend said is the best if they respect that person a great deal. And the people who think they know stuff will go for specs b/c that's all they know, they are in no way going to understand that a gpu...doh, all gone.. bye bye. And many people are not creative enough to know what they'll get with dif. features so it's easier to understand 1.9 is greater than 1.7. You have to be able to explain to people in what way things will benefit them, otherwise, esp with things that are new, it is very hard to understand. 720P 22" TV vs. 1080P 22" TV. Oh, 1080 is better. okay. The thing people imo will understand the most, is the size of the phone, cuz it's is easy to see and feel. They will not understand the rest of the phone. Then there are the demographics for whom none of those things apply to. For people who like futuristic stuff, the voice thing will click for them right away, they will get that phone, ring it up. Females will buy the moto they don't care if they're boyfriend said the samsung is "better" (which he thinks cuz it has more stuff), unless there is a sales person making them feel stupid for wanting it, then they get the samsung and learn to like it. Large men will buy the samsung.

    (unless moto comes up with a better marketing strategy)

    People who are analytical will do a effective cost benefit analysis, that's about 20% of all people in my opinion in general who are critical thinkers. lol.
    08-06-2013 03:40 PM
  10. JHBThree's Avatar
    When did the executives lie? They didn't, it's called marketing. It's how companies can get away with selling weaknesses as strengths (Apple anyone?).
    I don't mean to offend or anything but you may be green behind the ears when it comes to marketing and sales.
    It has nothing to do with marketing. That is where you are making a mistake. It has to do with the process of these ideas being approved for production, a process at Google that is well known and also applies to Motorola.

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    08-06-2013 04:48 PM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    People who are analytical will do a effective cost benefit analysis, that's about 20% of all people in my opinion in general who are critical thinkers. lol.
    My estimation is that your too optimistic about the 1:4 of critical thinkers to non.
    08-06-2013 04:53 PM
  12. Paisley's Avatar
    My estimation is that your too optimistic about the 1:4 of critical thinkers to non.
    you're right. lol.
    08-06-2013 05:10 PM
  13. Paisley's Avatar
    Don't know if anyone posts this yet, but yahoo finance reported the build (parts + manufacturing) of the Moto X 16GB was about $214 per handset.

    S4 was $233, iPhone of course was something like $205. I think i read Motorola/Google are selling the X to stores for $350, no idea what sammy sold the s4 for, prolly more than 350 since their retail price was higher. Maybe $375?

    off contract price for s4 was, what, $630, Moto X, $575.
    08-06-2013 07:25 PM
  14. Farish's Avatar
    Don't know if anyone posts this yet, but yahoo finance reported the build (parts + manufacturing) of the Moto X 16GB was about $214 per handset.

    S4 was $233, iPhone of course was something like $205. I think i read Motorola/Google are selling the X to stores for $350, no idea what sammy sold the s4 for, prolly more than 350 since their retail price was higher. Maybe $375?

    off contract price for s4 was, what, $630, Moto X, $575.
    Figures are way off. I have posted up articles on this before. If the phone costs around 600 off contract, the carrier is only getting about 10-15 percent off.

    The reason why Apple and other companies make so much profit off their phones is because they do make that much profit off their phones.
    08-06-2013 07:48 PM
  15. Paisley's Avatar
    Figures are way off. I have posted up articles on this before. If the phone costs around 600 off contract, the carrier is only getting about 10-15 percent off.

    The reason why Apple and other companies make so much profit off their phones is because they do make that much profit off their phones.
    Can you expand on that? Which are off? and what prices would be more likely? thanks.
    08-06-2013 07:58 PM
  16. cheeto0's Avatar
    These are better specs than the HTC One, and pretty much on par with the Galaxy S4.
    Laptop magazine said in real world use the moto x was faster than the galaxy s4. Didn't have any lag like the s4. So its not all about specs.
    08-06-2013 08:04 PM
  17. Farish's Avatar
    Can you expand on that? Which are off? and what prices would be more likely? thanks.
    If the iPhone is being sold off contract for 600 dollars, the carrier is paying between 510-540 dollars for that phone. This is why they are called subsidize phones. There isnt a great discount at all off retail for selling in bulk.

    Motorola hasn't change its pricing structure at all, so if the phone is 549 off contract expect that the carrier is paying 85-90 percent of that price.

    It is why it was rumored that when the Nexus 4 was being sold by Google on the play store at 349, that Google may losing around 150 to 200 per phone.
    08-06-2013 08:07 PM
  18. Paisley's Avatar
    If the iPhone is being sold off contract for 600 dollars, the carrier is paying between 510-540 dollars for that phone. This is why they are called subsidize phones. There isnt a great discount at all off retail for selling in bulk.

    Motorola hasn't change its pricing structure at all, so if the phone is 549 off contract expect that the carrier is paying 85-90 percent of that price.

    It is why it was rumored that when the Nexus 4 was being sold by Google on the play store at 349, that Google may losing around 150 to 200 per phone.
    Ahh, the $350 is off. That makes much more sense. lol, that would be sooooo much profit for the carrier, and $350 would make no sense for a $2xx build, a **** load of money goes into the product in addtion to total build cost.
    08-06-2013 08:20 PM
  19. Farish's Avatar
    Ahh, the $350 is off. That makes much more sense. lol, that would be sooooo much profit for the carrier, and $350 would make no sense for a $2xx build, a **** load of money goes into the product in addtion to total build cost.
    Also R & D, software development, warranty service etc etc.
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    08-06-2013 08:28 PM
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