08-08-2013 04:13 PM
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  1. Zorro1's Avatar
    Maybe better if Smart Actions still work (saw something suggesting that might be gone) so that when my phone is here at home office, no security! I don't want to wear an earpiece constantly.
    08-08-2013 01:58 PM
  2. JungleLarry's Avatar
    Are you sure? I see folks who wear them constantly and they look perty darn cool...
    08-08-2013 02:02 PM
  3. roadkizzle's Avatar
    If you look on amazon it looks like you may be able to buy Bluetooth 4.0 tags or keyrings you can keep with you that'll do the same thing for cheaper.

    Or you can wear a smartwatch.
    08-08-2013 02:09 PM
  4. Paisley's Avatar
    There are still improvements to be made. Chiefly, Google Now needs to be updated to provide voice control of system settings, similar to the Siri update in iOS 7.

    The Moto X voice features are certainly a step in the right direction, and the ability to summon your device without laying a finger on it is ace, but for a fully touchless experience there is still work to be done. If you're going to boss your phone around, you shouldn't have to be conscious of whether or not it's capable of carrying out certain tasks on its own -- it should just do them, while simultaneously changing the way you relate to your device.

    That's where the line is drawn between software *gimmick* (I hate using that word, because I really do like these features) and true innovation.
    2 things:

    First: It is so nowhere near gimmick category because touchless control doesnt necessarily need to cover every piece of the function of your phone for it to mean we will now be using it on a regular basis. Its that it IS touchless, not that the phone is completly touchless. (does that make sense?). No other phone has every had that capability before. And its not like the end result is it walking your dog, it will take just a few updates for it to perform all functions of your phone. What are we missing, sending the text? . Siri was a gimmick. She can do very little but more importantly, you already have to be at the phone, so nothing new there.

    2ndly, Always Ready phones bring us into the future: there is now in everyones hands what we all fiction has depicted the future to have. Look at all the things from the 1930s to today that depict very specifically the future. There are a handful of things they all share: robots, hovering or flying transportation and interacting with your machines by talking to them. Actually, interacting with a computer that performs functions is in a separate category than just machines. Depictions of the future are heavy on video calling without controls, which even without controls was that step into the future as we all were shown the future to look like. So when video phoning came out, it was us what we all have considered to be the future. When the smart home functions came out that was considered part of fictional and or depicted future, made me smile because here we were in that formerly fictional future. Anyone else? Or am I alone here. .

    There are now machines in homes operated by voice. Smart home technology. When that first came out it was part of that future that weve seen in movies since we were younger before that technology was invented and that is included in every movie about the future that is made today. Usually shown in movies in coffee machines and televisions. Pretty cool and definitely part of the future as fictions has always depicted. And what static technology even that is. Unlike the depicted future it is owned by very very few people. At most in the 10s of 1,000s while all fictional future depicts it being common.

    But now were there: the masses are communication with a computer by talking to it for it to perform functions you would otherwise have to do yourself. Now, siri could hear your voice and respond but in a future depictions, we not only verbally interact without our machines, but we do not need to manually operate them.

    I mean, look at Asimo the humanoid android he is part of that future that has been depicted from the 1920s or so to today, but he is NOT here yet today even though he lives, he is part of that future but we do not have that piece yet b/c he is only protoyped, no one owns one and he has NO function yet, lol. Although he can escort guests around, it takes him about 10 minutes to get them a cup of coffee. Lol. The minute you put homeboy in a few stores to show clients shoes etc, or greet people coming to an office, thats it, were in that future.

    I wont hold my breath on hovering/flying individual transportation, but you can bet Ill have a Nao before I die, a super-toy a la Teddy in the movie artificial intelligence. Hell be available for enthusiasts in 10 years, but in consumer households in 20l he can tell if a child is sad, if they are happy, he can tell if they are pleased with his actions just by the sight of their face. : ). But alas, it's 20 years away before he will be ready for the public.
    08-08-2013 03:08 PM
  5. JungleLarry's Avatar
    I didn't say it is a useless feature, merely that there's work to be done before it's truly transformational.

    Can Google Now turn on your GPS through voice commands? That would be useful if you're driving. What about your speaker phone? What's the point of using Google Now to call someone from your contacts if you have to pick up your phone anyway?

    I don't need it to make me lunch. I'd just prefer it to be comprehensive to the point where I'm no longer conscious of its shortcomings.
    08-08-2013 03:22 PM
  6. Paisley's Avatar
    I didn't say it is a useless feature, merely that there's work to be done before it's truly transformational.

    Can Google Now turn on your GPS through voice commands? That would be useful if you're driving. What about your speaker phone? What's the point of using Google Now to call someone from your contacts if you have to pick up your phone anyway?

    I don't need it to make me lunch. I'd just prefer it to be comprehensive to the point where I'm no longer conscious of its shortcomings.
    Yes, he can!

    If your phone is in the car you simple say: ok google now, navigate me to rays pizza on 6th avenue.

    and it will go ahead right there and then: "turn left" and continues til you get to your destination. !!

    and same for the phone call.

    This guy does the navigation, he says he would get the X over the iphone and sammy b/c of that features:


    And at the end he explains that in California you cannot touch your phone while driving, that's why he wants it over the others.
    08-08-2013 03:28 PM
  7. JungleLarry's Avatar
    I think it's been established that you can get directions on Google Now.........................................

    The question is whether you can activate the GPS in the phone without touching it. For example, if the GPS is off on the Galaxy S4 and I ask Google Now to navigate to a location, it will load Maps, then pop up a dialog box asking me to MANUALLY activate GPS for turn-by-turn directions.

    The whole point is a truly touchless experience. If I need directions, but have to pick up my phone to turn on the GPS toggle, then "always ready" is useless.

    What about turning WiFi on and off?
    Or silencing your ringer?
    Or playing a song?

    Nothing I've seen has lead me to believe that any of this is currently possible. I'd like to see otherwise.
    08-08-2013 03:54 PM
  8. Paisley's Avatar
    I think it's been established that you can get directions on Google Now.........................................

    The question is whether you can activate the GPS in the phone without touching it. For example, if the GPS is off on the Galaxy S4 and I ask Google Now to navigate to a location, it will load Maps, then pop up a dialog box asking me to MANUALLY activate GPS for turn-by-turn directions.

    The whole point is a truly touchless experience. If I need directions, but have to pick up my phone to turn on the GPS toggle, then "always ready" is useless.

    What about turning WiFi on and off?
    Or silencing your ringer?
    Or playing a song?

    Nothing I've seen has lead me to believe that any of this is currently possible. I'd like to see otherwise.
    The guy shows you in the video that you can randomly ask it to navigate you and it will. I'll see if i can find it, but i can't do volume at work. Maybe i'm wrong, but i don't think so.
    Yes, you can play a song without touch.
    I believe you *can* do the silence b/c you can tell it to enter a certain mode

    : )
    08-08-2013 03:58 PM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    I think it's been established that you can get directions on Google Now.........................................

    The question is whether you can activate the GPS in the phone without touching it. For example, if the GPS is off on the Galaxy S4 and I ask Google Now to navigate to a location, it will load Maps, then pop up a dialog box asking me to MANUALLY activate GPS for turn-by-turn directions.

    The whole point is a truly touchless experience. If I need directions, but have to pick up my phone to turn on the GPS toggle, then "always ready" is useless.

    What about turning WiFi on and off?
    Or silencing your ringer?
    Or playing a song?

    Nothing I've seen has lead me to believe that any of this is currently possible. I'd like to see otherwise.
    One major paradigm issue that they're trying to correct... In current state, one typically toggles Wi-Fi, GPS, etc to save battery life. They're attempt is to give battery life sufficient to the end user that mitigates our eliminates the need to do so.

    Also, playing a song, movie, etc does work now.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
    08-08-2013 03:59 PM
  10. ultravisitor's Avatar
    If I need directions, but have to pick up my phone to turn on the GPS toggle, then "always ready" is useless.
    Why not just leave GPS on all the time? I do, and I don't notice any difference in the battery drain. Neither do other people who I know who do the same.
    08-08-2013 04:00 PM
  11. roadkizzle's Avatar
    I know I've read of the ability to have it start playing music. But yes, currently the rest are unavailable.

    I think that with the new Moto X we probably won't be needing to turn off GPS though because I'm thinking that it will be controlled by the Contextual Processor so will use a lot less energy than currently.

    It seems that the X has extraordinarily good metering of battery, so I think that most people won't have any issues of maintaining Wifi, Bluetooth, and GPS and still easily making it througha day. I know the reason i maintain strict control over these is because it always seems my battery lasts longer without them.
    08-08-2013 04:05 PM
  12. Paisley's Avatar
    The guy shows you in the video that you can randomly ask it to navigate you and it will. I'll see if i can find it, but i can't do volume at work. Maybe i'm wrong, but i don't think so.
    Yes, you can play a song without touch.
    I believe you *can* do the silence b/c you can tell it to enter a certain mode

    : )
    Drat, almost impossibe to find without having volume, that plus it being 22 minutes long. lol. it's done through google maps iirc.

    (watch me have to eat my words), either way, it's nowhere near gimmicky if it can serve functions to many that you could not do any other way, but i will find out whether i'm write on the google maps nav
    08-08-2013 04:07 PM
  13. Paisley's Avatar
    oh, i see you only want navigation via gps, nev mind.

    hardly puts it toward the gimmicky column when you can still navigate.
    08-08-2013 04:10 PM
  14. JungleLarry's Avatar
    One major paradigm issue that they're trying to correct... In current state, one typically toggles Wi-Fi, GPS, etc to save battery life. They're attempt is to give battery life sufficient to the end user that mitigates our eliminates the need to do so.

    Also, playing a song, movie, etc does work now.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
    One could also toggle WiFi and GPS for other reasons, security being one of them. I just want control, that's all.

    I just noticed that the media playing feature is included. I've never been able to and it's always been a bit of a frustration.

    Why not just leave GPS on all the time? I do, and I don't notice any difference in the battery drain. Neither do other people who I know who do the same.
    I haven't been so lucky, I guess.

    The list goes on, though. You can't deny that having touchless control of apps isn't something you'd appreciate.

    "OK Google Now, post status to facebook [insert message here]"
    *honk honk, I don't think so*
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    08-08-2013 04:13 PM
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