08-12-2013 02:38 PM
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  1. bryantest's Avatar
    I'd like to cite some stuff from Engadget's review

    Moto X review

    Motorola never specified just what materials make up the 130 grams that is the Moto X's composite shell, but you can safely eliminate Kevlar and metal (Droid staples) from that list.

    The glossy white plastic that frames the device looks chintzy. I use the HTC Droid DNA on a daily basis -- a phone that also retailed for the same $199 contracted price -- and despite the obvious design similarities (curved back, blunt edges), the Moto X ends up looking like a Fisher-Price toy in comparison. But much like those toys made for toddlers, the Moto X also looks like it's prepped to endure hard knocks and drops. That precious woven white backplate, however, will get messy. I know because within one hour of owning the device, an innocuous rubber stand we'd used as a photo prop managed to scuff the backplate. No amount of soap, water or Clorox wipes were able to completely eradicate these dark black scars. Keep that in mind when you're making your purchase. Like the bellies of swans, the white Moto X's backplate can get ugly pretty quickly.

    Hmm..damn.. I was actually expecting Kevlar on the back! SMH!
    08-06-2013 11:20 PM
  2. JHBThree's Avatar
    I'd like to cite some stuff from Engadget's review

    Moto X review

    Motorola never specified just what materials make up the 130 grams that is the Moto X's composite shell, but you can safely eliminate Kevlar and metal (Droid staples) from that list.

    The glossy white plastic that frames the device looks chintzy. I use the HTC Droid DNA on a daily basis -- a phone that also retailed for the same $199 contracted price -- and despite the obvious design similarities (curved back, blunt edges), the Moto X ends up looking like a Fisher-Price toy in comparison. But much like those toys made for toddlers, the Moto X also looks like it's prepped to endure hard knocks and drops. That precious woven white backplate, however, will get messy. I know because within one hour of owning the device, an innocuous rubber stand we'd used as a photo prop managed to scuff the backplate. No amount of soap, water or Clorox wipes were able to completely eradicate these dark black scars. Keep that in mind when you're making your purchase. Like the bellies of swans, the white Moto X's backplate can get ugly pretty quickly.

    Hmm..damn.. I was actually expecting Kevlar on the back! SMH!
    Why were you expecting it? There was absolutely no evidence that it would include it, and plenty of evidence that it wouldn't.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
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    08-06-2013 11:44 PM
  3. ultravisitor's Avatar
    Why were you expecting it? There was absolutely no evidence that it would include it, and plenty of evidence that it wouldn't.
    People dreaming up expectations for this phone and then becoming upset that their dreams didn't turn into reality seems to be the recurring theme with this phone.
    08-06-2013 11:51 PM
  4. JHBThree's Avatar
    People dreaming up expectations for this phone and then becoming upset that their dreams didn't turn into reality seems to be the recurring theme with this phone.
    Yeah I don't get it. The phone we got is EXACTLY what the actual leaks showed. The 'specs' that were going around were all posted on less than reputable android sites that seemed to want to make this phone into something it wasn't going to be.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
    08-07-2013 12:45 AM
  5. Honestabebread's Avatar
    Wait. Seriously, several of you wonder why we don't believe Moto's battery claim? Why don't I believe Ryan Braun or A-Fraud? THEY FRIGGIN' LIED, that's why!! I am a Moto fan and will probably grab the Maxx now...why? They lie. When I got the Razr, they CLEARLY knew the battery was undersized since within WEEKS they came out with the Razr Maxx...only diff was the battery. They knew or they couldn't have come up with the Maxx that fast. And then they wouldn't let us change out.

    Short memories you all have.
    You sound very entitled.

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    08-07-2013 07:51 AM
  6. Zorro1's Avatar
    Hmmm. Entitled. No more than anyone else here. I just expect the best and what's advertised. My point, back to JHB's question about how Moto lied about batteries, is that the fact that they so quickly upgraded the Razr to the Maxx within a few weeks points to the fact that by the time the Razr had hit the market, they realized the battery was too small. Development like that doesn't happen overnight. So while the first wave of Razr's was months of development, we're to believe that the new battery was suddenly overnight practically?

    It became clear pretty quickly that the battery claims didn't hold up. Within a few months, (and I'm usually on wifi most days and not a power user, never listen to music on my phone...) it needed recharging regularly. Maybe Palm spoiled me long ago. But I don't want to buy an X and then have them send out an X squared in Oct and not let me upgrade. With the always listening mic now, I can't believe battery performance will get better...just me 5 cents.
    08-07-2013 08:05 AM
  7. Paisley's Avatar
    Hmmm. Entitled. No more than anyone else here. I just expect the best and what's advertised. My point, back to JHB's question about how Moto lied about batteries, is that the fact that they so quickly upgraded the Razr to the Maxx within a few weeks points to the fact that by the time the Razr had hit the market, they realized the battery was too small. Development like that doesn't happen overnight. So while the first wave of Razr's was months of development, we're to believe that the new battery was suddenly overnight practically?

    It became clear pretty quickly that the battery claims didn't hold up. Within a few months, (and I'm usually on wifi most days and not a power user, never listen to music on my phone...) it needed recharging regularly. Maybe Palm spoiled me long ago. But I don't want to buy an X and then have them send out an X squared in Oct and not let me upgrade. With the always listening mic now, I can't believe battery performance will get better...just me 5 cents.
    Yikes, i hope this doesn't happen. How does something like that happen? And did they replace the batteries?
    08-07-2013 09:08 AM
  8. dpw2atox's Avatar
    Hmmm. Entitled. No more than anyone else here. I just expect the best and what's advertised. My point, back to JHB's question about how Moto lied about batteries, is that the fact that they so quickly upgraded the Razr to the Maxx within a few weeks points to the fact that by the time the Razr had hit the market, they realized the battery was too small. Development like that doesn't happen overnight. So while the first wave of Razr's was months of development, we're to believe that the new battery was suddenly overnight practically?

    It became clear pretty quickly that the battery claims didn't hold up. Within a few months, (and I'm usually on wifi most days and not a power user, never listen to music on my phone...) it needed recharging regularly. Maybe Palm spoiled me long ago. But I don't want to buy an X and then have them send out an X squared in Oct and not let me upgrade. With the always listening mic now, I can't believe battery performance will get better...just me 5 cents.
    Well all of the tests so far have shown that the X has fairly good battery life. The battery life is the reason they used the dedicated language and contextual processors. Under low usage they easily last a day and even under heavy usage such as looping HD video I believe a review said the phone lasted 8 or 9 hrs.
    08-07-2013 09:25 AM
  9. dan1431's Avatar
    They all seem to say the same thing, that essentially that the price point is one of the few things that Moto/Google got completely wrong, otherwise it seems to be a average to above average device.

    Honestly, it smells more and more that if Moto/Google wanted the carriers involved it had to cost more and there had to be exclusivity of features, etc. than if they sold it themselves and selling it themselves would not make it the hero device it is designed as.

    Essentially they had to do business with the devils to make the device a success, which speaks more about the carriers than Moto/Google.

    Dan
    08-07-2013 11:50 AM
  10. Zorro1's Avatar
    Thanks, dptw...that's a question I posed a few days ago, wondering if hardware/software battery handling was different now. I did jump for the Maxx when Still1 linked to a 199 deal, making the price the same. And on VZW, hard to tell when the 32gb/custom models will show anyway. But I'm concerned about an even larger Razr than I already have...
    08-07-2013 03:15 PM
  11. Paisley's Avatar
    They all seem to say the same thing, that essentially that the price point is one of the few things that Moto/Google got completely wrong, otherwise it seems to be a average to above average device.

    Honestly, it smells more and more that if Moto/Google wanted the carriers involved it had to cost more and there had to be exclusivity of features, etc. than if they sold it themselves and selling it themselves would not make it the hero device it is designed as.

    Essentially they had to do business with the devils to make the device a success, which speaks more about the carriers than Moto/Google.

    Dan

    What do you mean if they sold it themselves?
    08-07-2013 03:33 PM
  12. JHBThree's Avatar
    Hmmm. Entitled. No more than anyone else here. I just expect the best and what's advertised. My point, back to JHB's question about how Moto lied about batteries, is that the fact that they so quickly upgraded the Razr to the Maxx within a few weeks points to the fact that by the time the Razr had hit the market, they realized the battery was too small. Development like that doesn't happen overnight. So while the first wave of Razr's was months of development, we're to believe that the new battery was suddenly overnight practically?

    It became clear pretty quickly that the battery claims didn't hold up. Within a few months, (and I'm usually on wifi most days and not a power user, never listen to music on my phone...) it needed recharging regularly. Maybe Palm spoiled me long ago. But I don't want to buy an X and then have them send out an X squared in Oct and not let me upgrade. With the always listening mic now, I can't believe battery performance will get better...just me 5 cents.
    Except that isn't the sequence of events. Motorola's R&D group was experimenting with a massively bigger battery, and gave Verizon the final product to see if they were interested. The maxx was an accident and was not planned.

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    08-07-2013 10:41 PM
  13. Gamer_Radar's Avatar
    Except it's much more expensive. The Moto X is a great phone and deserves to be compared with the likes of the One and GS4, but nothing beats the N4's value.
    How so? Have you purchased the N4 full out on Tmobile or from LG? Its $432 full retail price. (from tmobile)... Now it has a smaller battery, and worse materials (imo as well as others) Also it lacks the LTE Bands for carriers.. Which if the N4 had the other's then it'd probably cost the same as the Moto X... lol
    08-07-2013 11:41 PM
  14. dan1431's Avatar
    What do you mean if they sold it themselves?
    As I see it, Motorola had two choices, sell it themselves (I. E. directly from Moto.com) or via the carriers.

    The prior allows Moto to the set whatever price they want without the input of the carriers, but limits distribution as most citizens of the USA are of the mindset of purchasing a handset from their carrier and signing a contract, not directly from the manufacturer.

    The later requires Moto to work with the carriers and meet their demands for pricing and exclusivity, but allows for greater distribution.

    Dan

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    08-08-2013 07:34 PM
  15. Paisley's Avatar
    As I see it, Motorola had two choices, sell it themselves (I. E. directly from Moto.com) or via the carriers.

    The prior allows Moto to the set whatever price they want without the input of the carriers, but limits distribution as most citizens of the USA are of the mindset of purchasing a handset from their carrier and signing a contract, not directly from the manufacturer.

    The later requires Moto to work with the carriers and meet their demands for pricing and exclusivity, but allows for greater distribution.

    Dan

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    Isn't that pretty standard to sell a phone through carriers? and more like extremely rare to do it any other way? (i dunno, just asking, i'm with Sprint, we have always had very limited options). They'd almost have to want to fail to sell it themselves and not through a carrier, no?
    08-08-2013 07:41 PM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    Isn't that pretty standard to sell a phone through carriers? and more like extremely rare to do it any other way? (i dunno, just asking, i'm with Sprint, we have always had very limited options). They'd almost have to want to fail to sell it themselves and not through a carrier, no?
    Yes, not being available on carriers, in the US, cripples sales because you're losing out on carrier subsidies (nerds don't like them, but regular people do) and visibility.
    08-08-2013 07:51 PM
  17. Paisley's Avatar
    Video review by Marques Brownlee after 1 week with the X (if you've never seen his videos, he does great videos, comprehensive).

    Shortcut:
    -Even as a geek i'm impressed
    -Really likes the way it feels. From the form to the grippy back. Prefers that to both the s4 and htc1
    -Performance: "Scary good"
    -"Might not benchmark like the [quad core phones] but i guarantee you it feels and performs like one every day of the week".
    handles multitasking, opening closing apps, handles web browsing exceptionally well, this and the new nexus 7 are the only 2 that glides through google chrome whatever site i throw at it.
    -"Never any stuttering or lagging like in touch wiz, or htc sense, overall the phone has been buttery smooth every second since i first got it which is more than i can say for the GS4.'
    -Says take it from him "someone who absolutely loves resolution and pixel density, the *only* time i can see a difference is when you put it side by side" (with a 1080P)
    -"Frame rates are through the roof compared to other 1080P screens"

    His favorite feature:
    Voice activation. (and exactly what i said as well, believes as soon as someone gets to know it they're really going to want it)
    Does a great job of recognition.
    Battery life: "Battery life is REALLY good. I got an absurd number like 14-16 hours a day with heavy heavy use, certainly better battery life than S4 and htc1. I am very very pleased with the battery life."

    The bad:
    -Not a good camera, the biggest problem on the phone. Extremely extremely disappointing. I checked to see if there was plastic over the lens". lol. . Says in theory in can be fixed with software.
    -Software feels a little unfinished, they can be fixed, but that is my biggest complaint.
    -Speaker is loud but a poorly misplaced finger can mute it.

    "I *really* love the moto X, one of my favorite phones to mess around with in a long time. It delivers way beyond what we expected to when looking at the specs."

    A really nice phone to use and to hold. I recommend if you are a switcher, android user, incredibly easy. Even if it's not appealing to us geeks, resolution lovers, i think it's a pretty awesome first step btwn google and motorola.



    : )
    08-09-2013 10:23 PM
  18. Ry's Avatar
    Based on the reviews I've read so far, I think I'll be turning "tap to focus" back on.
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    08-09-2013 11:55 PM
  19. return_0's Avatar
    How so? Have you purchased the N4 full out on Tmobile or from LG? Its $432 full retail price. (from tmobile)... Now it has a smaller battery, and worse materials (imo as well as others) Also it lacks the LTE Bands for carriers.. Which if the N4 had the other's then it'd probably cost the same as the Moto X... lol
    The Nexus 4 is $349, compared to $699 for the Moto X. That's half the price. It does have LTE bands for T-Mobile, and you can't objectively say it has worse materials. So the only disadvantage is a smaller battery? I can buy an external battery pack for about $35, not $350.
    08-10-2013 12:16 PM
  20. Paisley's Avatar
    The Nexus 4 is $349, compared to $699 for the Moto X. That's half the price. It does have LTE bands for T-Mobile, and you can't objectively say it has worse materials. So the only disadvantage is a smaller battery? I can buy an external battery pack for about $35, not $350.
    That's pretty awesome. Definitely less expensive than all other new phones. For people off contract it's a really great deal

    re: $699. Moto is only $699 at BB off contract, they tend to do really weird pricing for off contract when i phone comes out, about $100 more than everyone else. S4 is $599 from a carrier so X will be similar to that.
    08-10-2013 02:01 PM
  21. JHBThree's Avatar
    The Nexus 4 is $349, compared to $699 for the Moto X. That's half the price. It does have LTE bands for T-Mobile, and you can't objectively say it has worse materials. So the only disadvantage is a smaller battery? I can buy an external battery pack for about $35, not $350.
    The nexus 4 does not support T-Mobile LTE.

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    08-10-2013 03:10 PM
  22. return_0's Avatar
    The nexus 4 does not support T-Mobile LTE.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
    Then why have thousands of people been able to use it?
    08-10-2013 03:11 PM
  23. JHBThree's Avatar
    Then why have thousands of people been able to use it?
    Because Google and lg left a software hole that had since been patched. Some of the most important hardware elements for it are missing. But, I'm not going to say anything beyond that, because that isn't what this thread is about. Normal users cannot get LTE on the nexus 4.

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    08-10-2013 04:26 PM
  24. return_0's Avatar
    Because Google and lg left a software hole that had since been patched. Some of the most important hardware elements for it are missing. But, I'm not going to say anything beyond that, because that isn't what this thread is about. Normal users cannot get LTE on the nexus 4.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
    But it is still possible to use LTE on the N4. LTE works on it, and it's far from impossible to get it working.
    08-10-2013 04:37 PM
  25. KWKSLVR's Avatar
    But it is still possible to use LTE on the N4. LTE works on it, and it's far from impossible to get it working.
    And that's great for the 10 people with Nexus 4's on T-Mobile.
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    08-10-2013 05:51 PM
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