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  1. Strawdawg's Avatar
    I think if the screen is on, it will use the battery. The S4 has a 2600 mah battery and a 1080 screen. The Moto has a 720 screen and a 2200 mah battery so I would not be surprised that screen on consumption is pretty similar. They went for small physical size and packaging ergonomics....I would hope for a bit better life than you have reported, but, that may be the way it is....
    08-22-2013 09:50 AM
  2. rajeshr68's Avatar
    i've always heard it takes days for a phone to give an a true idea of it's battery life.
    Yeah, I'll wait for some more time before pronouncing judgement. Anyway, I have installed BetterBatteryStats and will monitor the usage.
    08-22-2013 09:52 AM
  3. DamienThorn's Avatar
    Something else that I'm actually on the fence a bit about is how Moto does the onscreen notifications. It's better than any other device...kinda.

    The breathing function is great. The press an icon to get a preview of the message is also great. However, when you dismiss an alert on the Moto lock screen it doesn't dismiss the item from the Android OS alert shade. So, if you've been deciding to just brush away alerts in the Moto screen you end up having to do the same once you're into the Android OS. Annoying.

    Another thing is that if you have a screen lock, then after unlocking the Moto lock screen you're pushed to the OS unlock the Android unlock screen. It feels like this can actually take longer than the usual 'power on screen and unlock' because of the pulsing nature of the Moto lock screen.

    Finally, while the pulsing is cool, if you don't tap into an alert/unlock button before it fades you can either wait a few seconds (haven't actually timed it) or you can just turn on the screen, unlock, then check your alerts. I would prefer it if instead of 'breathing' alerts to the point where they vanish from the screen they were always slightly visible on the screen (when the phone is screen-up) so that I could take immediate action on alerts at any time. Though, I bet this would hurt the battery life some...

    Sent from my XT1058 using AC Forums mobile app
    08-22-2013 10:05 AM
  4. thegrants82's Avatar
    Also dont forget that if you have to use a third party camera app to get better pictures then the wrist turning thing to open the camera becomes useless.
    Something else that I'm actually on the fence a bit about is how Moto does the onscreen notifications. It's better than any other device...kinda.

    The breathing function is great. The press an icon to get a preview of the message is also great. However, when you dismiss an alert on the Moto lock screen it doesn't dismiss the item from the Android OS alert shade. So, if you've been deciding to just brush away alerts in the Moto screen you end up having to do the same once you're into the Android OS. Annoying.

    Another thing is that if you have a screen lock, then after unlocking the Moto lock screen you're pushed to the OS unlock the Android unlock screen. It feels like this can actually take longer than the usual 'power on screen and unlock' because of the pulsing nature of the Moto lock screen.

    Finally, while the pulsing is cool, if you don't tap into an alert/unlock button before it fades you can either wait a few seconds (haven't actually timed it) or you can just turn on the screen, unlock, then check your alerts. I would prefer it if instead of 'breathing' alerts to the point where they vanish from the screen they were always slightly visible on the screen (when the phone is screen-up) so that I could take immediate action on alerts at any time. Though, I bet this would hurt the battery life some...

    Sent from my XT1058 using AC Forums mobile app
    08-22-2013 10:11 AM
  5. rajeshr68's Avatar
    Something else that I'm actually on the fence a bit about is how Moto does the onscreen notifications. It's better than any other device...kinda.

    The breathing function is great. The press an icon to get a preview of the message is also great. However, when you dismiss an alert on the Moto lock screen it doesn't dismiss the item from the Android OS alert shade. So, if you've been deciding to just brush away alerts in the Moto screen you end up having to do the same once you're into the Android OS. Annoying.
    I actually prefer this - this way, I can address any urgent notifications right away and I can get those less important later from the status bar. I guess it's a question of personal preference and Moto decided to implement it one way.


    Another thing is that if you have a screen lock, then after unlocking the Moto lock screen you're pushed to the OS unlock the Android unlock screen. It feels like this can actually take longer than the usual 'power on screen and unlock' because of the pulsing nature of the Moto lock screen.
    I've found that "Trusted Devices" functionality helps alleviate this issue - whenever the phone is within range of a trusted device, it disables the screen lock. I'm not sure that this would work for you, but it does the trick for me.

    Finally, while the pulsing is cool, if you don't tap into an alert/unlock button before it fades you can either wait a few seconds (haven't actually timed it) or you can just turn on the screen, unlock, then check your alerts. I would prefer it if instead of 'breathing' alerts to the point where they vanish from the screen they were always slightly visible on the screen (when the phone is screen-up) so that I could take immediate action on alerts at any time. Though, I bet this would hurt the battery life some...
    I agree, but this is way better than having a flashing LED and then press the power/home button to turn the screen on and figure out what notification you have.
    08-22-2013 10:31 AM
  6. DamienThorn's Avatar
    I've found that "Trusted Devices" functionality helps alleviate this issue - whenever the phone is within range of a trusted device, it disables the screen lock. I'm not sure that this would work for you, but it does the trick for me.
    I don't carry around a Bluetooth device that registers often enough for this to be terribly handy at the moment. Once Moto updates the X to 4.3, and my fitness tracker's software updates to pair with my phone, this issue might be alleviated.

    I agree, but this is way better than having a flashing LED and then press the power/home button to turn the screen on and figure out what notification you have.
    I definitely prefer what Moto has done, don't get me wrong: I'm just nitpicking over things that I haven't seen covered in detail in the reviews. I'm not about to return the MX and take up my Galaxy Nexus again

    Sent from my XT1058 using AC Forums mobile app
    08-22-2013 10:52 AM
  7. rajeshr68's Avatar
    I don't carry around a Bluetooth device that registers often enough for this to be terribly handy at the moment. Once Moto updates the X to 4.3, and my fitness tracker's software updates to pair with my phone, this issue might be alleviated.

    Sent from my XT1058 using AC Forums mobile app
    I was surprised at how many BT enabled devices I have - the Mac at home, my laptop at work, my car's BT audio system and my Pebble watch. With those, I get the convenience of bypassing the security in "safe" environments! :-)
    08-22-2013 11:18 AM
  8. roadkizzle's Avatar
    The breathing function is great. The press an icon to get a preview of the message is also great. However, when you dismiss an alert on the Moto lock screen it doesn't dismiss the item from the Android OS alert shade. So, if you've been deciding to just brush away alerts in the Moto screen you end up having to do the same once you're into the Android OS. Annoying.

    Another thing is that if you have a screen lock, then after unlocking the Moto lock screen you're pushed to the OS unlock the Android unlock screen. It feels like this can actually take longer than the usual 'power on screen and unlock' because of the pulsing nature of the Moto lock screen.
    I think I agree with Dr. Bombay. I want the active notifications to let me know if I have notifications that need me to get into my phone. If I get many emails that can wait for an hour or two I wouldn't want to completely remove them from my system just so my phone will stop blinking at me or allow me to miss the more important text messages.

    I also don't think it's a big issue that you have to go through the lock screen and security to act on notifications. If you have security on your phone then you wouldn't even be able to see any notifications because the shade is disabled so you'd have to completely unlock the phone to get any info. The Moto X version is much easier.
    In addition, you aren't required to access the phone through the Active Notification screen. The Moto Xs allow you to press the power button to turn on the phone just as all others and it'll take you to the lock screen rather than the notification system.
    08-22-2013 11:20 AM
  9. roadkizzle's Avatar
    I was surprised at how many BT enabled devices I have - the Mac at home, my laptop at work, my car's BT audio system and my Pebble watch. With those, I get the convenience of bypassing the security in "safe" environments! :-)
    Yet the Pebble Watch is all you really need isn't it?

    For myself I have my home computer, work computer, and car Bluetooth speaker (but it's battery powered so can be a pain to keep charged)

    I'm really trying to decide whether i should invest in a bluetooth device I'll always carry around like a smartwatch or bluetooth headset. But the watches are expensive and I think the functionality is not worth it yet for me and the Bluetooth headsets are still to awkward for me to want to wear around all the time.
    08-22-2013 11:24 AM
  10. rajeshr68's Avatar
    Yet the Pebble Watch is all you really need isn't it?

    For myself I have my home computer, work computer, and car Bluetooth speaker (but it's battery powered so can be a pain to keep charged)

    I'm really trying to decide whether i should invest in a bluetooth device I'll always carry around like a smartwatch or bluetooth headset. But the watches are expensive and I think the functionality is not worth it yet for me and the Bluetooth headsets are still to awkward for me to want to wear around all the time.
    What you need is the Motorola Skip! $20 and you get similar functionality...
    08-22-2013 11:35 AM
  11. rajeshr68's Avatar
    I definitely prefer what Moto has done, don't get me wrong: I'm just nitpicking over things that I haven't seen covered in detail in the reviews. I'm not about to return the MX and take up my Galaxy Nexus again

    Sent from my XT1058 using AC Forums mobile app
    Hey Damian - what's your experience with the battery life so far? I've installed BetterBatteryStats and have noticed a 9% drop in battery life in about 90 minutes. This was with no usage at all, but only showing Active Notifications.
    08-22-2013 11:39 AM
  12. roadkizzle's Avatar
    What you need is the Motorola Skip! $20 and you get similar functionality...
    I don't care at all about the Skip accessory because it relies on NFC. I would hate having to tap my phone on the tag each time I want to access my phone. If I'm at a bar I want to be able to look at my phone and do whatever I need. If I rely on the Skip tag then if I get a text I either have to enter a password or pick my phone off the bar then tap it on my pocket to unlock it while with Bluetooth it's already ready for me wherever I am.

    That said, if the Skip Dots are Bluetooth chips then that would be good, but from the marketing speak it's very unclear on how they work.
    08-22-2013 12:13 PM
  13. rajeshr68's Avatar
    That said, if the Skip Dots are Bluetooth chips then that would be good, but from the marketing speak it's very unclear on how they work.
    The Skip Dots are probably NFC based too. BT based dots would probably consume too much power to make them standalone without a charger.
    08-22-2013 12:24 PM
  14. sroberts's Avatar
    How are the power / volume buttons? Some reviews have mentioned the buttons are loose and rattle around, other reviews have said they are solid.

    Thanks in advance.
    08-22-2013 12:27 PM
  15. mattopotamus's Avatar
    Something else that I'm actually on the fence a bit about is how Moto does the onscreen notifications. It's better than any other device...kinda.

    The breathing function is great. The press an icon to get a preview of the message is also great. However, when you dismiss an alert on the Moto lock screen it doesn't dismiss the item from the Android OS alert shade. So, if you've been deciding to just brush away alerts in the Moto screen you end up having to do the same once you're into the Android OS. Annoying.

    Another thing is that if you have a screen lock, then after unlocking the Moto lock screen you're pushed to the OS unlock the Android unlock screen. It feels like this can actually take longer than the usual 'power on screen and unlock' because of the pulsing nature of the Moto lock screen.

    Finally, while the pulsing is cool, if you don't tap into an alert/unlock button before it fades you can either wait a few seconds (haven't actually timed it) or you can just turn on the screen, unlock, then check your alerts. I would prefer it if instead of 'breathing' alerts to the point where they vanish from the screen they were always slightly visible on the screen (when the phone is screen-up) so that I could take immediate action on alerts at any time. Though, I bet this would hurt the battery life some...

    Sent from my XT1058 using AC Forums mobile app
    I think you can place the phone face down to somewhat get this affect. If the phone is face down and then picked up the notifications will show.
    08-22-2013 12:31 PM
  16. rajeshr68's Avatar
    BTW, for those wondering about the "breathing" - it's two seconds on and six seconds off for the notification. Every once in a while, it'll stay on for five seconds but it's always six seconds off.
    08-22-2013 12:42 PM
  17. Paisley's Avatar
    BTW, for those wondering about the "breathing" - it's two seconds on and six seconds off for the notification. Every once in a while, it'll stay on for five seconds but it's always six seconds off.
    does it bother you? do you find yourself looking at the phone for say, 4 seconds when you come back from something? (no biggie for me, if i have to i'll just d/l a faux led app, but just curious, i come from a phone with a different type of normal android notification system and am praying for good notifications.

    and can you press the phone for notifications even if it's not on it's 2 seconds of breath?
    08-22-2013 12:49 PM
  18. rajeshr68's Avatar
    does it bother you? do you find yourself looking at the phone for say, 4 seconds when you come back from something? (no biggie for me, if i have to i'll just d/l a faux led app, but just curious, i come from a phone with a different type of normal android notification system and am praying for good notifications.

    and can you press the phone for notifications even if it's not on it's 2 seconds of breath?
    It doesn't bother me that much - I would have preferred a 3 sec on/3 sec off burst for breathing, but I'm okay with what we have. What I really like is that the unlock screen comes on whenever I lift the phone from my desk - no need to mess with the power button.
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    08-22-2013 01:20 PM
  19. Paisley's Avatar
    It doesn't bother me that much - I would have preferred a 3 sec on/3 sec off burst for breathing, but I'm okay with what we have. What I really like is that the unlock screen comes on whenever I lift the phone from my desk - no need to mess with the power button.
    You don't know how much i appreciate that answer.
    08-22-2013 01:24 PM
  20. DamienThorn's Avatar
    Hey Damian - what's your experience with the battery life so far? I've installed BetterBatteryStats and have noticed a 9% drop in battery life in about 90 minutes. This was with no usage at all, but only showing Active Notifications.
    With an emphasis on anecdotal!

    This morning when I was taking some photos + getting the new (mixed 802.11n and LTE) I went from 97% to 90% in about an hour or so. Screen was persistently on. That said, I wasn't timing things precisely. I'm actually trying to get used to carrying the device, in my normal environment, to gauge battery life.

    What I can say is that, having come off 100% charge at about 7:30am, I'm not at 64% as of 12:30pm. I haven't used the phone heavily but, if I was on my Galaxy Nexus, I'd likely be at about 40% by now based on my experience. Ultimately, though, I haven't had the phone long enough to make a particularly decisive judgement one way or another on battery beyond it seems better than the GN.
    08-22-2013 02:37 PM
  21. DamienThorn's Avatar
    How are the power / volume buttons? Some reviews have mentioned the buttons are loose and rattle around, other reviews have said they are solid.

    Thanks in advance.
    I've not experienced the buttons being loose or rattling. They feel solid to my hand.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I think you can place the phone face down to somewhat get this affect. If the phone is face down and then picked up the notifications will show.
    Yeah, you can. I just rarely have my phone face down
    08-22-2013 02:39 PM
  22. DamienThorn's Avatar
    Some more shots taken with the X, to try and get across how it looks in different situations.

    Inside in the morning, in a deeply shaded room. No flash.


    Inside in the morning, in a deeply shaded room. First image without flash, second with flash.


    Shots in good sunlight:






    And here's one that shows how, sometimes, the colouring just goes really screwy:
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    08-22-2013 02:59 PM
  23. Paisley's Avatar
    Some more shots taken with the X, to try and get across how it looks in different situations.
    Thank you so much for doing this.

    This matches exactly what has been said in almost every review. Trouble in different lighting, and very hit or miss, takes a few shots to get a good shot. I'll live. I never take pics of people, only houseware i want to buy and then pics of the pup.

    Your cat is so cool. I've always wanted a long-hair cat. She/he is gorgeous.
    08-22-2013 03:07 PM
  24. DamienThorn's Avatar
    Thank you so much for doing this.

    This matches exactly what has been said in almost every review. Trouble in different lighting, and very hit or miss, takes a few shots to get a good shot. I'll live. I never take pics of people, only houseware i want to buy and then pics of the pup.

    Your cat is so cool. I've always wanted a long-hair cat. She/he is gorgeous.
    Ha - thanks. The orange one (Prada) always poses well. The other, Snowball, is a little more camera shy most days.

    I'll probably post other pictures, at other times of the day, just to give an idea of what it's like to shoot with it under different lighting conditions.

    One thing to note is that the camera shoots FAST. And not just one shot: I routinely am snapping 2-4 and then just choosing the best of the lot. It's a nice experience, and the ability to rapidly capture a set of images is also pretty great if you share images through Google+ as .gifs.
    08-22-2013 03:14 PM
  25. Strawdawg's Avatar
    Damn, thought I was in Red Deer for a moment....

    One would think the color aberrations could be fixed if Motorola wanted to. I guess the question is If.

    If the phone is in your pocket and you pull it out, will it come to life just as if it were laying face down on the table? this leaving the phone on the table is an alien concept to me
    08-22-2013 03:29 PM
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