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  1. Jeremy_Collinsworth's Avatar
    The trade off is horrible battery life vs not being able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 4.7" screen.
    Nah, that's not the case. You can tell the difference. The battery takes a hit, but it's certainly worth it. People like the s4 screen better usually

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    08-26-2013 07:19 PM
  2. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Yup that is exactly who I meant. And did not copy anything from Google, Google is a search engine.

    At this point you are arguing semantics and you know it. It is clear the SoC is not a 2012 design, so now you are picking components out. Following your logic, and lack of common sense, it would be easy to say the copper that is used for conductivity is from the last century -- it is true but meaningless.
    Nope.

    You haven't read the entire thread.

    I believe it was back in page 1 he wrote and I quote

    It doesn't have anything from 2012 lol
    That's what he said. and THIS IS FALSE.

    Not only does it have the Adreno 320 GPU which is from 2012, but if you had bothered to look at the motherboard you would see that the power management is being handled by a Qualcomm PM8921, which is the exact same chip on the ONE S, which came out in 2012.

    So, his statement that the MOTO X has, excuse me, "doesn't have anything from 2012" is NOT true.

    Then he came back having a total meltdown of copying and pasting from somewhere in Google, which i imagine is Wikipedia because that would be the only place they would know to look for information.

    It does have 2012 technology inside. Saying anything else is false.

    Imagine the new Intel Haswell had Intel 4000HD graphics. Would you say it is totally new? or would you say it does have technology from 2012?

    Come on. He was wrong. Everyone knows it. Move on.
    08-26-2013 07:20 PM
  3. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Nah, that's not the case. You can tell the difference. The battery takes a hit, but it's certainly worth it. People like the s4 screen better

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    You can't. The S4 is 5". The difference is negligible. with a 2,200mAh battery the phone would be worse than the LG Nexus 4. it would probably die in 2 hours of screen time. You think that's worth it? Are you serious?

    have you even SEEN a Moto X in person? I guarantee you won't care about how many PPI it has.
    08-26-2013 07:22 PM
  4. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Nope.

    You haven't read the entire thread.

    I believe it was back in page 1 he wrote and I quote



    That's what he said. and THIS IS FALSE.

    Not only does it have the Adreno 320 GPU which is from 2012, but if you had bothered to look at the motherboard you would see that the power management is being handled by a Qualcomm PM8921, which is the exact same chip on the ONE S, which came out in 2012.

    So, his statement that the MOTO X has, excuse me, "doesn't have anything from 2012" is NOT true.

    I already said that yes, they reworked last year's S4 Pro and gave it Krait 300 cpu, but it is still the dual core Adreno 320 GPU from last year, only slightly updated.

    So his statement is wrong. Then he came back having a total meltdown of copying and pasting from somewhere in Google, which i imagine is Wikipedia because that would be the only place they would know to look for information.

    It does have 2012 technology inside. Saying anything else is false.

    Imagine the new Intel Haswell had Intel 4000HD graphics. Would you say it is totally new? or would you say it does have technology from 2012?

    Come on. He was wrong. Everyone knows it. Move on.
    Wow, I wasn't aware that NothingIsTrue and myself were the same person. (this is the second time I've pointed that out to you)

    Also, I definitely said what I pasted was from Wikipedia. Way to go on the comprehension of what's been said in this thread, and by who.

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    08-26-2013 07:23 PM
  5. Jeremy_Collinsworth's Avatar
    You can't. The S4 is 5". The difference is negligible. with a 2,200mAh battery the phone would be worse than the LG Nexus 4. it would probably die in 2 hours of screen time. You think that's worth it? Are you serious?

    have you even SEEN a Moto X in person? I guarantee you won't care about how many PPI it has.
    Yes I have, and I did care. Side by side, the s4 looks better than the Moto X. And you obviously haven't used the s4 because it doesn't get that bad a battery. Hit the books kid, you need to learn before you can compete. Otherwise it sounds like garbled ranting

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    08-26-2013 07:24 PM
  6. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    You can't. The S4 is 5". The difference is negligible. with a 2,200mAh battery the phone would be worse than the LG Nexus 4. it would probably die in 2 hours of screen time. You think that's worth it? Are you serious?

    have you even SEEN a Moto X in person? I guarantee you won't care about how many PPI it has.
    Didn't you just tell someone that they need to read the entire thread? I'm going to suggest that you do the same. He already said he used it for a few days.

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    08-26-2013 07:26 PM
  7. Aquila's Avatar
    Come on. He was wrong. Everyone knows it. Move on.
    If we were to make the false assumption that the mobile computing system is modular (meaning that you can pick and choose components and interchange them for performance improvements in various areas, etc), then you'd be correct. Unfortunately, as no less than 4 separate members have tried to impart unto you in this thread, as well as the wealth of information in over, now 50, explanations on this site + the wealth of information available via the internet, which you apparently have access to, this is not how the architecture works. Here is the most simple way to state it: the entire system is uniquely designed as a system. You keep telling people to get educated, etc. but are not willing yourself to attempt to understand concepts that any laymen can grasp with less than 5 minutes of listening to experts.
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    08-26-2013 07:27 PM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    Wow, I wasn't aware that NothingIsTrue and myself were the same person.
    Sorry kid, I wanted someone to break it to you gently.. but that's the way the cookie crumbles. You really should stop talking to me in public. I'm imaginary, and you look crazy.
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    08-26-2013 07:29 PM
  9. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Wow, I wasn't aware that NothingIsTrue and myself were the same person. (this is the second time I've pointed that out to you)

    Also, I definitely said what I pasted was from Wikipedia. Way to go on the comprehension of what's been said in this thread, and by who.

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    I am replying to his assertion that it has no technology from 2012. When I said "they" I was referring to you. who butted into the conversation trying to back him up, which makes you look even more stupid.

    I guess you got tired of reading stuff from wikipedia. Problem is, I actually looked at the motherboard and the fact is, it HAS 2012 technology inside.

    The end.
    08-26-2013 07:30 PM
  10. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Sorry kid, I wanted someone to break it to you gently.. but that's the way the cookie crumbles. You really should stop talking to me in public. I'm imaginary, and you look crazy.
    Like Fight Club?

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    08-26-2013 07:30 PM
  11. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    If we were to make the false assumption that the mobile computing system is modular (meaning that you can pick and choose components and interchange them for performance improvements in various areas, etc), then you'd be correct. Unfortunately, as no less than 4 separate members have tried to impart unto you in this thread, as well as the wealth of information in over, now 50, explanations on this site + the wealth of information available via the internet, which you apparently have access to, this is not how the architecture works. Here is the most simple way to state it: the entire system is uniquely designed as a system. You keep telling people to get educated, etc. but are not willing yourself to attempt to understand concepts that any laymen can grasp with less than 5 minutes of listening to experts.
    Firstly nobody here is an expert on anything. They're copying things from Wikipedia. That hardly makes you an expert

    Second, nothing. NOTHING you just said makes this true. and I quote YOUR OWN WORDS

    It doesn't have anything from 2012 lol
    FALSE.

    All you have is 2 other idiots, your friends, trying to copy and paste giant paragraphs to bury the fact you said that. Which is totally stupid because it does have several things from 2012.
    08-26-2013 07:33 PM
  12. Jeremy_Collinsworth's Avatar
    I am replying to his assertion that it has no technology from 2012. When I said "they" I was referring to you. who butted into the conversation trying to back him up, which makes you look even more stupid.

    I guess you got tired of reading stuff from wikipedia. Problem is, I actually looked at the motherboard and the fact is, it HAS 2012 technology inside.

    The end.
    Dude, they are right. He backed him up for a reason, he was right. Really, read something. I back them up as well. Please, save some dignity before it's ripped apart on this thread

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    08-26-2013 07:33 PM
  13. Farish's Avatar
    Wow, I wasn't aware that NothingIsTrue and myself were the same person. (this is the second time I've pointed that out to you)

    Also, I definitely said what I pasted was from Wikipedia. Way to go on the comprehension of what's been said in this thread, and by who.

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    NothingIsTrue has Voodoo dolls made to look like Android Central Staff members in order to have exact control over your actions.

    Soon you will be mailing him freshly baked chocolate chip cookies.
    08-26-2013 07:33 PM
  14. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I am replying to his assertion that it has no technology from 2012. When I said "they" I was referring to you. who butted into the conversation trying to back him up, which makes you look even more stupid.

    I guess you got tired of reading stuff from wikipedia. Problem is, I actually looked at the motherboard and the fact is, it HAS 2012 technology inside.

    The end.
    I chimed in with some facts about terms you were using incorrectly, and are apparently still lacking some understanding about. Never did I say it contained nothing from 2012. So, since we're apparently going there regardless of if you're addressing a Moderator or not, you're incorrectly addressing an issue with me that I never stated an opinion on or presented information about. Who's stupid?

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    08-26-2013 07:34 PM
  15. Jeremy_Collinsworth's Avatar
    Really, why are we all fighting? Is it worth it?
    08-26-2013 07:35 PM
  16. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Firstly nobody here is an expert on anything. They're copying things from Wikipedia. That hardly makes you an expert

    Second, nothing. NOTHING you just said makes this true. and I quote YOUR OWN WORDS



    FALSE.

    All you have is 2 other idiots, your friends, trying to copy and paste giant paragraphs to bury the fact you said that. Which is totally stupid because it does have several things from 2012.
    You also failed to answer my question about which device you're currently using. A pic will help, since you have roughly zero credibility left here.

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    08-26-2013 07:37 PM
  17. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Really, why are we all fighting? Is it worth it?
    No it's not. We were doing fine until someone showed back up.

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    08-26-2013 07:38 PM
  18. Jeremy_Collinsworth's Avatar
    No it's not. We were doing fine until someone showed back up.

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    For me I was at least trying to explain things instead of just ranting worthless information. This is worthless, why don't we drop the devices and agree to disagree guys?

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    08-26-2013 07:40 PM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    Firstly nobody here is an expert on anything. They're copying things from Wikipedia. That hardly makes you an expert
    Both points here. Kevin is a developer and contributes to the main blog, and is in his own right very knowledgeable about the systems that we're discussing. He also has a working relationship with Jerry, who is deeply qualified to impart knowledge of the finer specs. I'm not an expert, but I have spent a lot of time studying this device, a task you seem unwilling to participate in. Wikipedia was used to get an entry level explanation of definitions because of your unwillingness to listen to people ask you to attempt to comprehend the architecture. You still haven't grasped that it's not a box of parts, but a comprehensive system. Secondly, there are multitudes of experts that have offered up their comments, and you've yet to attempt to understand any of them. If you have questions, just ask. Stating fallacies and then insulting people who try to help you figure stuff out is childish.

    Second, nothing. NOTHING you just said makes this true. and I quote YOUR OWN WORDS
    FALSE.
    Challenge: If you show me an Android device released in 2012 or earlier that has an X8 mobile computing system I'll buy you a Moto X.

    Edit: I have been informed that I am incorrect in stating that Kevin is an Android developer. Sorry for the confusion. The fact that he contributes to the main blog and has a very high knowledge level of the systems referenced is correct. From that breadth of knowledge I must have assumed he was in the trade.
    08-26-2013 07:40 PM
  20. TheLibertarian's Avatar
    At this point it's nobody's fault but his own that he's failing to grasp quite a simple concept.

    He's going to keep repeating himself and refusing to learn, and I don't really know how either of you two can break the information you have provided down to an easier reading level.
    08-26-2013 07:40 PM
  21. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    For me I was at least trying to explain things instead of just ranting worthless information. This is worthless, why don't we drop the devices and agree to disagree guys?

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    If I drop my device it might break though. :-P

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    08-26-2013 07:41 PM
  22. Jeremy_Collinsworth's Avatar
    Both points here. Kevin is a developer and contributes to the main blog, and is in his own right very knowledgeable about the systems that we're discussing. He also has a working relationship with Jerry, who is deeply qualified to impart knowledge of the finer specs. I'm not an expert, but I have spent a lot of time studying this device, a task you seem unwilling to participate in. Wikipedia was used to get an entry level explanation of definitions because of your unwillingness to listen to people ask you to attempt to comprehend the architecture. You still haven't grasped that it's not a box of parts, but a comprehensive system. Secondly, there are multitudes of experts that have offered up their comments, and you've yet to attempt to understand any of them. If you have questions, just ask. Stating fallacies and then insulting people who try to help you figure stuff out is childish.





    Challenge: If you show me an Android device released in 2012 or earlier that has an X8 mobile computing system I'll buy you a Moto X.
    I'll buy you a solid gold moto x. Would you like that? All you have to do is show us

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    08-26-2013 07:41 PM
  23. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    I chimed in with some facts about terms you were using incorrectly, and are apparently still lacking some understanding about. Never did I say it contained nothing from 2012. So, since we're apparently going there regardless of if you're addressing a Moderator or not, you're incorrectly addressing an issue with me that I never stated an opinion on or presented information about. Who's stupid?

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    You're trying to make his words right because he is your friend.

    Now you're moving the goal post. Now you're saying this whole thing is about chipsets vs SoC. Now who's arguing semantics?

    YOU yourself don't understand these terms. By copying and pasting from Google you just make yourself look dumb.
    08-26-2013 07:45 PM
  24. Aquila's Avatar
    For me I was at least trying to explain things instead of just ranting worthless information. This is worthless, why don't we drop the devices and agree to disagree guys?

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    Normally I'm totally cool with agreeing to disagree, but when some childish moron starts accusing you of lying, it's easy to be inclined to want them to back that up. When their accusations are based on assumptions that are easily disproved yet they continue to screech their accusations over and over without ever attempting to understand what is being conveyed to them... you're absolutely right, this is worthless. Trying to get this guy to understand processing architecture will apparently be harder than teaching commentators the difference between build quality and build materials.
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    08-26-2013 07:45 PM
  25. Jeremy_Collinsworth's Avatar
    You're trying to make his words right because he is your friend.

    Now you're moving the goal post. Now you're saying this whole thing is about chipsets vs SoC. Now who's arguing semantics?

    YOU yourself don't understand these terms. By copying and pasting from Google you just make yourself look dumb.
    Dude, shut up already -_-
    You're just making yourself look stupid. You have literally lost all respect and credibility on this site

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    08-26-2013 07:46 PM
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