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  1. Aquila's Avatar
    The Moto X has a Qualcomm MSM8960Pro Snapdragon. That came out in February 2012.

    So yes. The Moto X has 2012 technology. But who cares is my point.
    With both cores being Krait 300's instead of the 200's, like the one from 2012 and the quad core Adreno 320 which wasn't in that one either... It's more accurate to describe it as a dual-core version of the S600 than the 2012 version.

    The only things that the 2012 and 2013 version have in common is the number of cores and the original manufacturer that the architecture is based on.

    Then, add in the additional processors for dedicated tasks and you have something that didn't exist in 2012. That's different cores, different GPU and extra components for a custom item that was first used in a device in August 2013. The closest thing to it prior to this month, was the S600 which was first released in a device in Spring 2013. No matter how you spin this, it's a 2013 design.

    This has been explained at least 40 separate times, in varying degrees of detail, on just these forums, but there are further details available in hundreds of posts on XDA if you need more time to research the distinctions.

    Generally I agree that the experience matters much more than the spec sheet, but spreading misinformation about what the specs are does more of a disservice to that discussion.
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    08-26-2013 07:07 AM
  2. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    With both cores being Krait 300's instead of the 200's, like the one from 2012 and the quad core Adreno 320 which wasn't in that one either... It's more accurate to describe it as a dual-core version of the S600 than the 2012 version.

    The only things that the 2012 and 2013 version have in common is the number of cores and the original manufacturer that the architecture is based on.

    Then, add in the additional processors for dedicated tasks and you have something that didn't exist in 2012. That's different cores, different GPU and extra components for a custom item that was first used in a device in August 2013. The closest thing to it prior to this month, was the S600 which was first released in a device in Spring 2013. No matter how you spin this, it's a 2013 design.

    This has been explained at least 40 separate times, in varying degrees of detail, on just these forums, but there are further details available in hundreds of posts on XDA if you need more time to research the distinctions.

    Generally I agree that the experience matters much more than the spec sheet, but spreading misinformation about what the specs are does more of a disservice to that discussion.
    I was replying to you saying "there is nothing here from 2012". There's no misinformation.

    The chipset is from 2012. Snapdragon MSM8960Pro is from 2012.

    It is a "modified" version of 2012 technology.

    The only one here spreading misinformation is you. The Moto X DOES HAVE 2012 technology. Be it modified or not.
    08-26-2013 08:14 AM
  3. thegrants82's Avatar
    Yeah I think that pretty much everyone knows but there are a few that cant admit it
    I was replying to you saying "there is nothing here from 2012". There's no misinformation.

    The chipset is from 2012. Snapdragon MSM8960Pro is from 2012.

    It is a "modified" version of 2012 technology.

    The only one here spreading misinformation is you. The Moto X DOES HAVE 2012 technology. Be it modified or not.
    08-26-2013 08:18 AM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    So, different cores, both from the 600, different GPU, also from the 600... What's the same?

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    08-26-2013 08:21 AM
  5. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Yeah I think that pretty much everyone knows but there are a few that cant admit it
    Well. I was just saying because he said there was NOTHING in there from 2012. Then I said MSM8960Pro. Then he says "yes, BUT, they modified it with new chips, so that means it's new"

    What? Am I going nuts here?

    I think the phone is great from what I can see. And good for them that they could combine the right set of technology to make it happen. Little bit of a solid chipset (2012), and a little bit of new tech. Good for them.

    So he said nothing from 2012, then he went on to explain why I was right, but then he said at the end, I was wrong because he typed a lot about adreno this and krait that.
    08-26-2013 08:25 AM
  6. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    So, different cores, both from the 600, different GPU, also from the 600... What's the same?

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    You clearly don't understand what a "chipset" is.

    Look. There is nothing wrong with MSM8960Pro being a 2012 chipset on a 2013 phone. If it gets the job done then it doesn't matter.
    08-26-2013 08:26 AM
  7. Aquila's Avatar
    Well. I was just saying because he said there was NOTHING in there from 2012. Then I said MSM8960Pro. Then he says "yes, BUT, they modified it with new chips, so that means it's new"

    What? Am I going nuts here?

    I think the phone is great from what I can see. And good for them that they could combine the right set of technology to make it happen. Little bit of a solid chipset (2012), and a little bit of new tech. Good for them.

    So he said nothing from 2012, then he went on to explain why I was right, but then he said at the end, I was wrong because he typed a lot about adreno this and krait that.
    You still haven't told me one thing that is the same. I told you how it's entirely different. Now you're switching to childish insults and twisting my words to say that they're agreeing with you?
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    08-26-2013 08:27 AM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    You clearly don't understand what a "chipset" is.

    Look. There is nothing wrong with MSM8960Pro being a 2012 chipset on a 2013 phone. If it gets the job done then it doesn't matter.
    Actually I do understand the architecture fairly well. What you're not explaining is how it's similar other than generic originating design. "Based on", is not the same thing as "exactly the same as". The X8 is not an S4 Pro, it's based on one, with heavy modification.
    08-26-2013 08:30 AM
  9. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    You still haven't told me one thing that is the same. I told you how it's entirely different. Now you're switching to childish insults and twisting my words to say that they're agreeing with you?
    The chipset.

    Look up what a chipset is. I told you already.
    08-26-2013 08:31 AM
  10. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Actually I do understand the architecture fairly well. What you're not explaining is how it's similar other than generic originating design. "Based on", is not the same thing as "exactly the same as". The X8 is not an S4 Pro, it's based on one, with heavy modification.
    Heheheahahaha.

    As he types frantically into his keyboard. Hands and lips shaking.

    You just need to educate yourself more. That's it.

    Ill explain it to you once and we will leave it there.

    Basically Motorola went to Qualcomm and modified a 2012 chipset, the MSM8960Pro by updating the graphics.

    Which makes your statement of "there is nothing inside the phone from 2012" totally false.

    And that's why the other poster was agreeing.

    You also need lessons on reading.

    And I can't believe you read off of the Motorola ads and said "X8". Hahaha
    08-26-2013 08:37 AM
  11. thegrants82's Avatar
    Yes because your wrong and you won't admit it....

    What? Am I going nuts here?
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    08-26-2013 08:39 AM
  12. nemov's Avatar
    This thread is going nowhere fast. This is a phone. Let's keep some perspective here.
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    08-26-2013 08:41 AM
  13. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Yes because your wrong and you won't admit it....

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    I'm wrong about what exactly? Do you not know what a chipset is either?
    08-26-2013 08:42 AM
  14. roadkizzle's Avatar
    On the flip side, many of us are Android fans because we never bought into the 'it's the experience' line of crap that they push to sell overpriced junk to sheep. We recognize the phone is a good phone, but fail to recognize the same value in it that you do. Difference of opinions that will never agree, no need to rehash it all over.

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    Personally I think that most people here prefer Android because we realize that what really matters in a smartphone is what it can do to make your life easier, not because their phone has a larger number on a sheet of paper (which actually in the grand scheme of things actually detracts from the benefit of the phone 1080p only provides negligible clarity yet is a strain on the battery and processors. Quad core processors are completely unused compared to dual core ones yet suck more power)

    I've always felt that while the iPhone may be smoother, the gesture keyboards, fully tabbed browsers, notification system, quick navigation shortcuts, direct dial shortcuts, the back button, easy access to settings, and widgets allowed the phone to provide much more benefit to myself as a person and gave me the information I needed much faster and allowed me to get on with my life.
    08-26-2013 08:44 AM
  15. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    This thread is going nowhere fast. This is a phone. Let's keep some perspective here.
    I don't blame them that they're confused.

    Motorola used epic marketing jabber during the unveil. Nobody could understand what the hell the X8 was and their graphics that they used to represent the "X8" were totally false advertising.
    08-26-2013 08:46 AM
  16. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Personally I think that most people here prefer Android because we realize that what really matters in a smartphone is what it can do to make your life easier, not because their phone has a larger number on a sheet of paper (which actually in the grand scheme of things actually detracts from the benefit of the phone 1080p only provides negligible clarity yet is a strain on the battery and processors. Quad core processors are completely unused compared to dual core ones yet suck more power)

    I've always felt that while the iPhone may be smoother, the gesture keyboards, fully tabbed browsers, notification system, quick navigation shortcuts, direct dial shortcuts, the back button, easy access to settings, and widgets allowed the phone to provide much more benefit to myself as a person and gave me the information I needed much faster and allowed me to get on with my life.
    I don't know. Take a G Pro and put it next to a Galaxy Note 2 and the difference between 1080p and 720p are striking.
    08-26-2013 08:49 AM
  17. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Qualcomm didn't make a totally brand new chipset for Motorola. They took what they had and modified it.

    So, again, saying this doesn't have ANY 2012 technology is nonsense.
    08-26-2013 08:51 AM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    Heheheahahaha.

    As he types frantically into his keyboard. Hands and lips shaking.
    Not sure what you're debating here... grow up.

    You just need to educate yourself more. That's it.
    I do that constantly. As for this specific mobile computing system, I'm well versed in what it is and what it isn't. It's not an off-the shelf MSM8960 like was in the Razr HD last year. Seriously, check out the architecture next to that one and the S600.

    Which makes your statement of "there is nothing inside the phone from 2012" totally false.
    We're still waiting for the explanation here.

    And that's why the other poster was agreeing.
    Who? An engineer or someone with a like button or who are we talking about? Lets refer to the expert's posts on these. Check out Jerry's comments as a good place to start. He's a great bridge between layman and systems tech terminology.

    You also need lessons on reading.
    When you can speak my language as well as I speak yours, we'll talk. Until then, I'm going to refer back to the "grow up" comments.

    And I can't believe you read off of the Motorola ads and said "X8". Hahaha
    That's the actual name of the system we're talking about. Do you have another term that's more accurate? Not sure where you're going with this.

    Look... You're making this personal and all we're asking you to do is drop the "mid range", "2012 tech", etc, etc, verbiage because of how incredibly misleading it is to users who read these threads while researching their purchase decisions. I'm not sure why that puts you into attack mode, but these are phones, not life and death decisions.

    You can be honest and try to help people instead of throwing out snarky passive aggressive insults. It's a choice. Why assume everyone is stupid just because they know different information than you do?
    08-26-2013 08:53 AM
  19. Rigelian's Avatar
    I don't blame them that they're confused.

    Motorola used epic marketing jabber during the unveil. Nobody could understand what the hell the X8 was and their graphics that they used to represent the "X8" were totally false advertising.
    Can you be specific? In what way is it misleading? From my understanding the X8 was a reference to the dual core cpus (2) + 4 core gpus (2) + two separate discrete processors that handle natural language and context separately. Am I wrong?

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    08-26-2013 08:57 AM
  20. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Can you be specific? In what way is it misleading? From my understanding the X8 was a reference to the dual core cpus (2) + 4 core gpus (2) + two separate discrete processors that handle natural language and context separately. Am I wrong?

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    X8 doesn't mean anything. It's just marketing jargon to make it sound new and exciting. The graphics they showed were also false advertising
    08-26-2013 09:01 AM
  21. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Not sure what you're debating here... grow up.



    I do that constantly. As for this specific mobile computing system, I'm well versed in what it is and what it isn't. It's not an off-the shelf MSM8960 like was in the Razr HD last year. Seriously, check out the architecture next to that one and the S600.



    We're still waiting for the explanation here.



    Who? An engineer or someone with a like button or who are we talking about? Lets refer to the expert's posts on these. Check out Jerry's comments as a good place to start. He's a great bridge between layman and systems tech terminology.



    When you can speak my language as well as I speak yours, we'll talk. Until then, I'm going to refer back to the "grow up" comments.



    That's the actual name of the system we're talking about. Do you have another term that's more accurate? Not sure where you're going with this.

    Look... You're making this personal and all we're asking you to do is drop the "mid range", "2012 tech", etc, etc, verbiage because of how incredibly misleading it is to users who read these threads while researching their purchase decisions. I'm not sure why that puts you into attack mode, but these are phones, not life and death decisions.

    You can be honest and try to help people instead of throwing out snarky passive aggressive insults. It's a choice. Why assume everyone is stupid just because they know different information than you do?

    Again. Go look up what a chipset is. Then really go and learn about the Moto X. Look at the board inside.

    But go learn what a chipset is first.

    There is 2012 technology inside. Modified. Sure. But to say there is none is false.

    And that's it.

    And stop posting such long posts. I scan through them. I didnt read half the crap you said.
    08-26-2013 09:03 AM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    Restating your own assertions, without any additional evidence or explanation of existing points, is not moving you closer to your point. I'm still, just like ten minutes ago, crystal clear on both the concept of a chip set and the general architecture of the X8 system. "Elaborate" is not the same word as, "repeat yourself". Does this feel cyclical? You say something; someone asks you to explain; you repeat what you said.

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    08-26-2013 09:10 AM
  23. Rigelian's Avatar
    X8 doesn't mean anything. It's just marketing jargon to make it sound new and exciting. The graphics they showed were also false advertising
    So what I described is in error?

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    08-26-2013 09:11 AM
  24. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Restating your own assertions, without any additional evidence or explanation of existing points, is not moving you closer to your point. I'm still, just like ten minutes ago, crystal clear on both the concept of a chip set and the general architecture of the X8 system. "Elaborate" is not the same word as, "repeat yourself". Does this feel cyclical? You say something; someone asks you to explain; you repeat what you said.

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    I already explained it to you. But you don't understand.

    The chipset of the Moto X is from 2012. That's all I have to say. Look it up.
    08-26-2013 09:13 AM
  25. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    So what I described is in error?

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    You don't have to describe anything. Anyone can see what's inside the Moto X just by googling it.

    Including the 2012 chipset inside.
    08-26-2013 09:14 AM
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