09-04-2013 12:51 AM
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  1. snookasnoo's Avatar
    The iPhone 5 is a year old and still is the best smartphone camera so expect the iPhone 5s camera to be even better. Camera quality in hardware and software is a priority for Apple.
    I expect these issues to be fixed in software update but it really wasn't smart to release it wiht he camera in such a state. Every review I have seen, even the most fan boyish, have complained about the camera.

    Just tried it for comparisons sake. The iphone camera is still head and shoulders above the Moto X/AOSP camera combo. The difference is just too staggering and it sucks because I really liked the Moto X. Here's hoping Motorola can fix it in software by the time the wood backs are ready.

    Attached is the pictures I just took. Nothing special, just firing up the camera app and taking a pic. iPhone 5 on the left, Moto X with AOSP camera on the right. the Moto X does appear to have a wider angle lens BTW.

    Attachment 79173
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    09-03-2013 01:51 PM
  2. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    In don't really think a camera should matter in a phone at all. When it comes to the matter of purchasing one device over another, I'm going with the one that gets better reception, because without service, you basically have a mini tablet.
    The camera ranks very low on my list when I am purchasing a PHONE. If you want to take professional grade photos, buy a camera instead of a phone.

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    By that logic no one would ever own a smartphone at all. If you need internet access, get a LAPTOP and not a phone. If you need GPS navigation, buy one from Garmin instead of a PHONE. Buy a calculator. Personally, I don't want to carry 12 devices around with me at all times. That's why I bought a smartphone. Yesterday we had a massive moose walk into our Cabin property. I was able to pull my S3 out and grab some great shots and video of it before it was gone. Sometimes, you need a decent camera in your phone because you will have that phone everywhere.
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    09-03-2013 02:52 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    By that logic no one would ever own a smartphone at all. If you need internet access, get a LAPTOP and not a phone. If you need GPS navigation, buy one from Garmin instead of a PHONE. Buy a calculator. Personally, I don't want to carry 12 devices around with me at all times. That's why I bought a smartphone. Yesterday we had a massive moose walk into our Cabin property. I was able to pull my S3 out and grab some great shots and video of it before it was gone. Sometimes, you need a decent camera in your phone because you will have that phone everywhere.
    This rant would have been lost on me, were it not for the moose. Well done

    Nexus through spacetime.
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    09-03-2013 02:54 PM
  4. Tim_Katarn's Avatar
    A moose once bit my sister...
    09-03-2013 03:12 PM
  5. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I should also mention we threw a hamburger at the moose but it rejected it.
    09-03-2013 03:23 PM
  6. xpeacemaker's Avatar
    Have you tried changing the tap to zoom setting? I read in a review that turning off HDR helps increase shutter speed. Also read that the X should be better at taking action shots because it has a faster shutter speed.

    Have you tried downloading the stock JB camera app? It's available on the market.
    09-03-2013 03:25 PM
  7. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Just tried it for comparisons sake. The iphone camera is still head and shoulders above the Moto X/AOSP camera combo. The difference is just too staggering and it sucks because I really liked the Moto X. Here's hoping Motorola can fix it in software by the time the wood backs are ready.

    Attached is the pictures I just took. Nothing special, just firing up the camera app and taking a pic. iPhone 5 on the left, Moto X with AOSP camera on the right. the Moto X does appear to have a wider angle lens BTW.

    Attachment 79173
    I'm not sure if you're just using the incorrect terminology, but the camera app on the X isn't AOSP. If you're in fact using the AOSP camera app then you're comparing the stock app performance on the iPhone to non-stock software on the X.

    I just wanted to clarify that point in case someone else has not. If someone else has, then I apologize.
    09-03-2013 04:51 PM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    I'm not sure if you're just using the incorrect terminology, but the camera app on the X isn't AOSP. If you're in fact using the AOSP camera app then you're comparing the stock app performance on the iPhone to non-stock software on the X.

    I just wanted to clarify that point in case someone else has not. If someone else has, then I apologize.
    They're using the stock android camera.

    Nexus through spacetime.
    09-03-2013 04:52 PM
  9. JHBThree's Avatar
    Pretty amazing when you can just hone in on one insignificant word of a post rather than address the meat of it.
    It was claimed it was a hardware problem. It isn't. You tried to claim again that it was, because third party camera apps don't affect it. It still isn't.

    The problem is with the software and firmware of the camera.

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    09-03-2013 05:08 PM
  10. JHBThree's Avatar
    They're using the stock android camera.

    Nexus through spacetime.
    No, they're really not.

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    09-03-2013 05:09 PM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    No, they're really not.

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    Oh, they said they were so I assumed they downloaded the app.

    Nexus through spacetime.
    09-03-2013 05:10 PM
  12. JHBThree's Avatar
    Oh, they said they were so I assumed they downloaded the app.

    Nexus through spacetime.
    Ahh I was mistaken in my post, my apologies. Some of them are using the stock one, yeah.

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    09-03-2013 05:12 PM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    Ahh I was mistaken in my post, my apologies. Some of them are using the stock one, yeah.

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    No worries I double checked lol

    Nexus through spacetime.
    09-03-2013 05:13 PM
  14. JungleLarry's Avatar
    It was claimed it was a hardware problem. It isn't. You tried to claim again that it was, because third party camera apps don't affect it. It still isn't.

    The problem is with the software and firmware of the camera.

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    I'm glad to see you're just as confused as I thought you were.
    09-03-2013 05:18 PM
  15. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    It has tap to focus option ..it focuses on the spot where You tapped and takes the picture ..HDR also helps if you are taking pictures of stationary object s ..and x is the best phone camera out there capable of taking very good action pics Without blur

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    You can take those action shots on any decent camera phone with 0 shutter lag and decent camera optics, provided lighting is decent and you don't have to move the device around too much. I've done it on a One X, GS3, and I know it's possible on the GS4, One (definitely), and even some of the better Nokia camera phones. For most of them you can just use Burst Shots and you'll get a relatively decent picture, even...

    I've never been a fan of Motorola device as far as the Camera is concerned. It's kind of frustrating that they have continued to struggle there, because their build quality (for flagships, at least) is pretty good and durable.
    09-03-2013 07:00 PM
  16. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    You got that with a GS3? That's IMPRESSIVE. Mine, my brothers and my buddies couldn't last 4-5hrs on standby let alone getting 3 hrs on screen at 11hrs being standby. Care to post a SS of that?

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    Took a day trip last week with mine. Used Google Maps for Walking and Transit Directions. Watched some videos. Used the camera a lot. Left home at 9:30 AM and got back after 9 PM (actually closer to 10 PM). Had over 40% battery left. Verizon S3 Stock no modifications. All motion features except two turned on, Auto Brightness, GPS on, BT on when I got phone calls, quite a bit of web browsing and texting, etc.

    Not sure what you're getting that from... My battery life on this phone is a revelation, especially coming from a Skyrocket. Almost makes me regret I didn't upgrade earlier.

    I was connected to LTE practically the whole time.

    The Moto X is more interesting to me because of the external customization options. Some of them are nice, so when the price drops I may grab one from Verizon so I can wear it with certain outfits when I go out (Lol).
    09-03-2013 07:08 PM
  17. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    The iPhone 5 isn't better than the PureView 808 or the Lumia 1020.

    Times have changed.

    If the Moto X camera has color saturation issues, then that is likely a software issue that can be fixed with a FW update.

    The iPhone 5 is a year old and still is the best smartphone camera so expect the iPhone 5s camera to be even better. Camera quality in hardware and software is a priority for Apple.
    I expect these issues to be fixed in software update but it really wasn't smart to release it wiht he camera in such a state. Every review I have seen, even the most fan boyish, have complained about the camera.
    09-03-2013 07:10 PM
  18. Haalcyon's Avatar
    The iPhone 5 isn't better than the PureView 808 or the Lumia 1020.

    Times have changed.

    If the Moto X camera has color saturation issues, then that is likely a software issue that can be fixed with a FW update.
    If Moto cared about the camera it wouldn't have been introduced with these issues though. ...so I'm not gonna hold my breath for a fix. I hope I'm wrong.

    Sent from my humble Note 10.1/Note 8.0/S4
    09-03-2013 08:27 PM
  19. JHBThree's Avatar
    I'm glad to see you're just as confused as I thought you were.
    Not confused at all. The camera has firmware issues that will be fixed. It does not have a hardware problem.

    Drop your attitude if you're going to participate in this discussion.

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    09-03-2013 08:31 PM
  20. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    If Moto cared about the camera it wouldn't have been introduced with these issues though. ...so I'm not gonna hold my breath for a fix. I hope I'm wrong.

    Sent from my humble Note 10.1/Note 8.0/S4
    Nokia phones launched with camera software issues they had to fix. These things happen.

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    09-03-2013 08:37 PM
  21. JungleLarry's Avatar
    Not confused at all. The camera has firmware issues that will be fixed. It does not have a hardware problem.

    Drop your attitude if you're going to participate in this discussion.

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    Feel free to go back and look through all my posts where I talk about the photo issue stemming from software problems; I'm not a moron. It's a digital device, of course its software related. But when I'm talking about the camera system as a whole, from light entering the lens to it being stored as memory, I will refer to it as hardware...since that's what it is. Your little "discussion" revolves around ONE word amid many. You chose to ignore the rest of my post so you could zero in on it, as if my *disagreeable* word choice devalued the rest of what I said.

    If you'd like to actually go back, read the string of posts, get a little context, and respond in kind, then maybe we can get something going. If all you want to do is argue semantics, then you're on your own big guy.
    09-03-2013 09:12 PM
  22. chr1sny's Avatar
    Not confused at all. The camera has firmware issues that will be fixed. It does not have a hardware problem.

    Drop your attitude if you're going to participate in this discussion.

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    What's Motorola's record for using software or firmware fixes to improve camera performance again?

    *crickets*
    09-03-2013 10:12 PM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    Google's isn't bad. We've never seen a device from the new Moto.

    Nexus. Through spacetime.
    09-04-2013 12:31 AM
  24. JHBThree's Avatar
    What's Motorola's record for using software or firmware fixes to improve camera performance again?

    *crickets*
    They've done it before. Several times, as a matter of fact.
    09-04-2013 12:49 AM
  25. JHBThree's Avatar
    Feel free to go back and look through all my posts where I talk about the photo issue stemming from software problems; I'm not a moron. It's a digital device, of course its software related. But when I'm talking about the camera system as a whole, from light entering the lens to it being stored as memory, I will refer to it as hardware...since that's what it is. Your little "discussion" revolves around ONE word amid many. You chose to ignore the rest of my post so you could zero in on it, as if my *disagreeable* word choice devalued the rest of what I said.

    If you'd like to actually go back, read the string of posts, get a little context, and respond in kind, then maybe we can get something going. If all you want to do is argue semantics, then you're on your own big guy.
    No. When you say the camera has hardware problems, you are referring to the actual hardware of the camera. Software is distinct from the hardware. (Whether you understand that or not) White balance is an issue with the camera's firmware and can be fixed through an update. You attempted to claim a hardware defect when there is none. Whether you intended to mean a software defect is not our problem, because that isn't what you posted.
    09-04-2013 12:51 AM
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