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  1. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    ^the usable space (space for user content) is not .6" taller on the Moto X. If you do your math right, you'll come up with around 10% area.

    You can't count button space because its not usable...they are just dumb buttons, you can't put icons there, or web page content, or emails, etc.
    09-22-2013 06:44 PM
  2. return_0's Avatar
    Avoidance. Quickest way to proclaim ignorance. Just to be clear, are you stating that the usable screen space on the Moto X is 20% greater than the iPhone? Do you have a reference for that figure?

    I calculate about 5% larger diagonal (10% total area) with the Moto X, comparing usable screen space, of course.
    I calculated the screen space of the Moto X when the buttons are subtracted, based on the number of pixels taken up by the buttons (just to double-check, I also physically measured it with a ruler). It would have a 4.57" screen. That's 32.8% more total area than the iPhone.
    09-22-2013 06:48 PM
  3. return_0's Avatar
    you can't put icons there, or web page content, or emails, etc.
    Of course you can. Do you know of ParanoidAndroid?
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    09-22-2013 06:49 PM
  4. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    I calculated the screen space of the Moto X when the buttons are subtracted, based on the number of pixels taken up by the buttons (just to double-check, I also physically measured it with a ruler). It would have a 4.57" screen. That's 32.8% more total area.
    No way is the area above the buttons 4.57" diagonal. Its closer to 4.2"
    09-22-2013 06:49 PM
  5. return_0's Avatar
    No way is the area above the buttons 4.57" diagonal. Its closer to 4.2"
    Too bad I carefully calculated and physically measured it. You can't deny hard facts.
    09-22-2013 06:53 PM
  6. Farish's Avatar
    After seeing photos for myself, I agree with the OP that the Moto X camera isn't that great compared to the 5s, but...

    If Camera was the main reason for the iPhone being a daily driver you have other options.

    HTC One, S4, Note 3, G2, Upcoming Nexus 5.

    Now that being stated, are you telling me you passed up Touchless Controls, Bigger Screen, Longer Battery Life, because you wanted better Selfies?
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    09-22-2013 06:53 PM
  7. return_0's Avatar
    Now that being stated, are you telling me you passed up Touchless Controls, Bigger Screen, Longer Battery Life, because you wanted better Selfies?
    ...and actual photographs using the rear camera.

    That being said, though, if you really place that much importance on a good camera in a phone, you might as well buy a real camera. And not necessarily a DSLR either; most point-and-shoots probably take better pictures than the iPhone 5S.
    09-22-2013 06:56 PM
  8. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    Too bad I carefully calculated and physically measured it. You can't deny hard facts.
    So your saying the height if the buttons only reduces the diagonal by .13"?

    Measure the entire screen, sure you only get. 4.7"?
    09-22-2013 06:57 PM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    I calculated the screen space of the Moto X when the buttons are subtracted, based on the number of pixels taken up by the buttons (just to double-check, I also physically measured it with a ruler). It would have a 4.57" screen. That's 32.8% more total area than the iPhone.
    I came out slightly different with the pixel count. I had 1280-62=1217 pixels high, which is 95.16% of the total height "available", giving us a 3.9^2x2.3^2=4.53^2 inch device which has an area of 8.98", which is 31.37% larger than an iPhone 5s. Is the 62 pixel height wrong?
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    09-22-2013 07:01 PM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    I guess the point is, no matter what you're getting at least 30, and up to 38% more screen area with a 4.7" device, regardless of whether the buttons are on screen or not.
    09-22-2013 07:04 PM
  11. Farish's Avatar
    ...and actual photographs using the rear camera.

    That being said, though, if you really place that much importance on a good camera in a phone, you might as well buy a real camera. And not necessarily a DSLR either; most point-and-shoots probably take better pictures than the iPhone 5S.
    I have seen many selfies done in the mirror using the rear camera like this one.

    Picked up the 5s today.-aaron-hernandez-glock-gun-selfie.jpg
    09-22-2013 07:05 PM
  12. ericizzy1's Avatar
    Avoidance. Quickest way to proclaim ignorance. Just to be clear, are you stating that the usable screen space on the Moto X is 20% greater than the iPhone? Do you have a reference for that figure?

    I calculate about 5% larger diagonal (10% total area) with the Moto X, comparing usable screen space, of course.
    Calling me ingnorant... Could you really be so stupid to think the the diffrance betweem 4 inch screen and 4.7 is 10% ?
    Dont you have a calculator on your iphone 5?
    09-22-2013 07:33 PM
  13. return_0's Avatar
    I came out slightly different with the pixel count. I had 1280-62=1217 pixels high, which is 95.16% of the total height "available", giving us a 3.9^2x2.3^2=4.53^2 inch device which has an area of 8.98", which is 31.37% larger than an iPhone 5s. Is the 62 pixel height wrong?
    Oops, I thought I measured 48 pixels. Never mind. But nevertheless, you're right; the screen space taken up by the on-screen buttons is relatively negligible.
    09-22-2013 07:35 PM
  14. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    Calling me ingnorant... Could you really be so stupid to think the the diffrance betweem 4 inch screen and 4.7 is 10% ?
    Dont you have a calculator on your iphone 5?
    Oh...that's right. Those buttons don't take up any screen space at all. I completely forgot.
    09-22-2013 07:35 PM
  15. ericizzy1's Avatar
    Oh...that's right. Those buttons don't take up any screen space at all. I completely forgot.
    Well at this stage all i would say is, you made your point of being totally wrong and not willing to admit it. Again, enjoy your iphone with the 5.5 inch screen
    09-22-2013 07:49 PM
  16. tdizzel's Avatar
    Well at this stage all i would say is, you made your point of being totally wrong and not willing to admit it. Again, enjoy your iphone with the 5.5 inch screen
    Someone on the internet won't admit when they're wrong? Say it ain't so!!!
    09-22-2013 07:55 PM
  17. pappy53's Avatar
    Every LTE device can do simultaneous Voice and Data except the iPhone.
    Incorrect. An AT&T iPhone will do it.
    09-22-2013 08:15 PM
  18. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    Incorrect. An AT&T iPhone will do it.
    It will not. HPSA only during voice call.
    09-22-2013 08:16 PM
  19. Farish's Avatar
    It will not. HPSA only during voice call.
    That has to do with ATT's implementation of LTE, all the phones do it on their network including my S4.
    09-22-2013 08:26 PM
  20. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    That has to do with ATT's implementation of LTE, all the phones do it on their network including my S4.
    The iPhone won't. It's an iPhone hardware limitation. The S4, Moto X, HTC One, LG G2 and countless others can do simultaneous LTE and Voice on every network.

    The iPhone cannot and has never been able to do simultaneous voice + LTE on any network.

    The iPhone can do simultaneous Voice + HSPA on AT&T, which AT&T claims is 4G, but it is NOT LTE.
    09-22-2013 08:29 PM
  21. pappy53's Avatar
    It will not. HPSA only during voice call.
    I didn't say how it does it, only that you can talk and surf simultaneously on an AT&T iPhone 5.
    09-22-2013 08:43 PM
  22. KentuckyHouse's Avatar
    You realize, with the button bar on the Moto X, the usable screen space is pretty much identical...right?
    Riiight.
    Try again there, slick.



    Sent from my Moto X...or S4...or iPhone (but probably not)
    09-22-2013 08:45 PM
  23. pappy53's Avatar
    Try again there, slick.

    http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/23/he5ajusa.jpg

    Sent from my Moto X...or S4...or iPhone (but probably not)
    Looks like the iPhone takes that one!
    09-22-2013 08:53 PM
  24. KentuckyHouse's Avatar
    Looks like the iPhone takes that one!
    Takes that one what?

    Sent from my Moto X...or S4...or iPhone (but probably not)
    09-22-2013 08:54 PM
  25. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    I didn't say how it does it, only that you can talk and surf simultaneously on an AT&T iPhone 5.
    Semantics. The statement you quoted was talking about LTE+Voice. Which the iPhone cannot do.
    09-22-2013 08:55 PM
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