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  1. slave's Avatar
    Well damn. Those fixes are nice. Maybe it's time to step back in to the Moto X game now.
    09-23-2013 04:08 PM
  2. ericizzy1's Avatar
    This is my (much older) Galaxy Nexus and an iPod Touch 5thGen.
    1st Pic: Default size for Nav Bar (on screen buttons).
    2nd Pic: My everyday usage of a smaller Nav Bar. (Because it's possible)
    3rd Pic: Full screen option that I like to use from time to time. (Again, because it's possible)

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    hi buddy, would you mind sharing how you did these two?
    2nd Pic: My everyday usage of a smaller Nav Bar. (Because it's possible)
    3rd Pic: Full screen option that I like to use from time to time. (Again, because it's possible)

    thank you
    09-23-2013 07:00 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    hi buddy, would you mind sharing how you did these two?
    2nd Pic: My everyday usage of a smaller Nav Bar. (Because it's possible)
    3rd Pic: Full screen option that I like to use from time to time. (Again, because it's possible)

    thank you
    Paranoid Android and some other ROMs have the ability to change the device configuration to "phablet" mode, (basically the setup of the Nexus 7) and other modes, as well as to directly edit the properties of the navigation and notification bars. Additionally, some navigation bar replacement apps, like "PIE", and some gesture based launchers will allow you to remove the bar entirely. You can also have it "auto hide", put it in different places, etc. That's the best thing about on screen buttons... you can put them wherever you want, remove them, change them, add buttons, take buttons away, replace them, etc.
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    09-23-2013 07:17 PM
  4. ericizzy1's Avatar
    Paranoid Android and some other ROMs have the ability to change the device configuration to "phablet" mode, (basically the setup of the Nexus 7) and other modes, as well as to directly edit the properties of the navigation and notification bars. Additionally, some navigation bar replacement apps, like "PIE", and some gesture based launchers will allow you to remove the bar entirely. You can also have it "auto hide", put it in different places, etc. That's the best thing about on screen buttons... you can put them wherever you want, remove them, change them, add buttons, take buttons away, replace them, etc.
    since im mainly interested in :2nd Pic: My everyday usage of a smaller Nav Bar, could you please point me in the right direction specifically?
    thanks
    09-23-2013 07:20 PM
  5. thegrants82's Avatar
    If this update is as good as I am reading then my 4 day old 5s will be pulled out of the game. Boy, I really miss the feel of the Moto X in my hand. My 5s doesn't feel half as good. I knew that the Moto X was great when I was using it but I am coming to appreciate even more the last four days. Camera gets fixed and it's going back in the game. Still pissed about Moto service though.........Been having fun with the 5s though, it does some amazing things.
    Well damn. Those fixes are nice. Maybe it's time to step back in to the Moto X game now.
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    09-23-2013 07:30 PM
  6. ericizzy1's Avatar
    If this update is as good as I am reading then my 4 day old 5s will be pulled out of the game. Boy, I really miss the feel of the Moto X in my hand. My 5s doesn't feel half as good. I knew that the Moto X was great when I was using it but I am coming to appreciate even more the last four days. Camera gets fixed and it's going back in the game. Still pissed about Moto service though.........Been having fun with the 5s though, it does some amazing things.
    see here http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/23...te-new-vs-old/
    impressive
    09-23-2013 07:35 PM
  7. thegrants82's Avatar
    Damn! Very cool.
    09-23-2013 07:40 PM
  8. slave's Avatar
    If this update is as good as I am reading then my 4 day old 5s will be pulled out of the game. Boy, I really miss the feel of the Moto X in my hand. My 5s doesn't feel half as good. I knew that the Moto X was great when I was using it but I am coming to appreciate even more the last four days. Camera gets fixed and it's going back in the game. Still pissed about Moto service though.........Been having fun with the 5s though, it does some amazing things.
    Yeah, I may just past on the NExus 5 and go back. I loved the size of this phone. All the annoying is moving out.
    09-23-2013 07:48 PM
  9. ericizzy1's Avatar
    Yeah, I may just past on the NExus 5 and go back. I loved the size of this phone. All the annoying is moving out.
    so happy with the moto x that i just ordered its car dock from griffin, with 15% discount
    Vehicle Dock for Moto X | Griffin Technology
    discount that worked for me: Griffin Coupons: Get 15% off orders w/ September Discounts

    enjoy
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    09-23-2013 08:10 PM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    since im mainly interested in :2nd Pic: My everyday usage of a smaller Nav Bar, could you please point me in the right direction specifically?
    thanks
    Check out "ultimate nav bar". If I recall correctly it requires root and busy box to be installed. Check out the development forums for details on rooting, etc and there are a few threads on root method specific to the x.

    XT1060. Through spacetime.
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    09-23-2013 08:17 PM
  11. hodan's Avatar
    ^the usable space (space for user content) is not .6" taller on the Moto X. If you do your math right, you'll come up with around 10% area.

    You can't count button space because its not usable...they are just dumb buttons, you can't put icons there, or web page content, or emails, etc.
    Two obvious flaws in your logic.

    1. You have failed to provide any math to support your proposition. This means you've failed to controvert the other math presented in this thread. This also means your hypothesis is nothing more than your own opinion. Math beats Opinion. Much like Rock crushes Scissors.

    2. You are attempting to reduce the size of the Moto's screen by inserting a definition for "usable space". There is no concept of "usable space" regarding mobile device displays. You made that up. Additionally, by your own admission, you're wrong. Numerous apps are full screen.

    I'm not sure why you're trying to prove that a 4 inch screen is only 10% smaller than a 4.7 inch screen. I'd say you're off the rails on this one.
    09-23-2013 10:18 PM
  12. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    Two obvious flaws in your logic.

    1. You have failed to provide any math to support your proposition. This means you've failed to controvert the other math presented in this thread. This also means your hypothesis is nothing more than your own opinion. Math beats Opinion. Much like Rock crushes Scissors.

    2. You are attempting to reduce the size of the Moto's screen by inserting a definition for "usable space". There is no concept of "usable space" regarding mobile device displays. You made that up. Additionally, by your own admission, you're wrong. Numerous apps are full screen.

    I'm not sure why you're trying to prove that a 4 inch screen is only 10% smaller than a 4.7 inch screen. I'd say you're off the rails on this one.
    I've never made the claim that a 4" screen is only 10% smaller than a 4.7" one. Further, defining usable screen space by the area reduced by buttons is completely reasonable. Those buttons are there for 98% of the phone usage.

    The screen is closer to 4.2" if starting at the top of the buttons, not 4.6 as some have claimed....which is 10%.

    It's well known that onscreen buttons reduce usable...user content...screen space.
    09-23-2013 10:23 PM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    I've never made the claim that a 4" screen is only 10% smaller than a 4.7" one. Further, defining usable screen space by the area reduced by buttons is completely reasonable. Those buttons are there for 98% of the phone usage.

    The screen is closer to 4.2" if starting at the top of the buttons, not 4.6 as some have claimed....which is 10%.

    It's well known that onscreen buttons reduce usable...user content...screen space.
    The height of the screen goes from 4.1 to 3.9, being reduced by slightly less than 5%.
    The width is reduced by 0. It is 2.3".
    Total screen size (the hypotenuse) is reduced from 4.7 to 4.53, a reduction of about 3.6%.
    The total area goes to 8.98 inches squared, down from 9.44, a reduction of about 4.9%.

    This is contrasted with the iPhone 5's 3.49x1.96 screen of 4", and with buttons not counted the Moto X is 31% larger, while otherwise it's 38% larger in terms of area.

    Please let me know if you disagree with any of the calculations used.

    I just pulled out a tape measure as well. My eyes would have called it at just under 1/4", but .2" is probably right given that's based on pixels and not human eyes. Either way, .2 or .25" isn't going to make the difference from 4.53 to 4.2". That'd actually be 4.49.
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    09-23-2013 10:32 PM
  14. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    The height of the screen goes from 4.1 to 3.9, being reduced by slightly less than 5%.
    The width is reduced by 0. It is 2.3".
    Total screen size (the hypotenuse) is reduced from 4.7 to 4.53, a reduction of about 3.6%.
    The total area goes to 8.98 inches squared, down from 9.44, a reduction of about 4.9%.

    This is contrasted with the iPhone 5's 3.49x1.96 screen of 4", and with buttons not counted the Moto X is 31% larger, while otherwise it's 38% larger in terms of area.

    Please let me know if you disagree with any of the calculations used.

    I just pulled out a tape measure as well. My eyes would have called it at just under 1/4", but .2" is probably right given that's based on pixels and not human eyes. Either way, .2 or .25" isn't going to make the difference from 4.53 to 4.2". That'd actually be 4.49.
    The error it seems I've made is measuring diagonally from top of button bar to opposite corner top of screen. My error being measuring diagonal, as if it were still 16x9 above the button bar.

    I'd still like to know why more content on webpages and applications seem to fit (while still readable) on the iPhone screen. It just seems like use of space is much better, with Android, manufactures don't increase that 'screen density' setting in the build prop file so everything just gets bigger (buttons, menus, etc) with larger screen phones.
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    09-23-2013 10:47 PM
  15. Aquila's Avatar
    The error it seems I've made is measuring diagonally from top of button bar to opposite corner top of screen. My error being measuring diagonal, as if it were still 16x9 above the button bar.

    I'd still like to know why more content on webpages and applications seem to fit (while still readable) on the iPhone screen. It just seems like use of space is much better, with Android, manufactures don't increase that 'screen density' setting in the so everything just gets bigger (buttons, menus, etc) with larger phones.
    Great question. Part of that is due to the tools provided for scaling apps. Android will automatically space apps based on a type of device, such as phone, tablet, phablet, etc.

    Unless the Dev specifically changes how it scales, the automated response is to treat a 4.3 and 4.7" device identically, with some things larger and some things spaced differently.

    They can render on just about any display for samples and most optimize for tablet/phablet and leave all candy bar phone settings to the tool to sort out unless there are observable issues.

    XT1060. Through spacetime.
    09-23-2013 10:53 PM
  16. JungleLarry's Avatar
    The error it seems I've made is measuring diagonally from top of button bar to opposite corner top of screen. My error being measuring diagonal, as if it were still 16x9 above the button bar.

    I'd still like to know why more content on webpages and applications seem to fit (while still readable) on the iPhone screen. It just seems like use of space is much better, with Android, manufactures don't increase that 'screen density' setting in the build prop file so everything just gets bigger (buttons, menus, etc) with larger screen phones.
    You mention "content on webpages and applications," then go on to indict the manufacturers. Have you considered that maybe porting SOME apps across platforms yields less-than-ideal-yet-perfectly-satisfactory results?

    I say "SOME" because so far it seems as though you've ignored westifires's post in which he shows Android displaying more content than iOS....

    How is this even a discussion?
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    09-23-2013 10:54 PM
  17. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    You mention "content on webpages and applications," then go on to indict the manufacturers. Have you considered that maybe porting SOME apps across platforms yields less-than-ideal-yet-perfectly-satisfactory results?

    I say "SOME" because so far it seems as though you've ignored westifires's post in which he shows Android displaying more content than iOS....

    How is this even a discussion?
    He hid the button be and blew up the font size in the iPhone. Besides, you SHOULD be able to fit more content on a larger screen Android phone...which is precisely my point.

    I like the Moto X, but I'm on Verizon and would rather get a Droid MAXX, but 720 on that 5" is pushing it. I just don't like the on screen buttons. My RAZR MAXX HD had burn in within 3 months....and I lost screen space.
    09-23-2013 11:00 PM
  18. Allen Brown2's Avatar
    Yes I have a moto x on vzw. No simultaneous data and voice. Not trying to start a fight, but look it up. Not happening until volte comes next year. Try it for yourself while not connected to WiFi.

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    Try your phone out in a 4g area. It doesn't work in 3g areas.

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    09-23-2013 11:04 PM
  19. tonymhoffman's Avatar
    so happy with the moto x that i just ordered its car dock from griffin, with 15% discount
    Vehicle Dock for Moto X | Griffin Technology
    discount that worked for me: Griffin Coupons: Get 15% off orders w/ September Discounts

    enjoy
    Thanks for that. I've had both sites suppose to notify me of stock and both have failed. Just ordered mine and the code worked

    Posted via Android Central App
    09-24-2013 12:45 AM
  20. Westifire's Avatar
    He hid the button be and blew up the font size in the iPhone.
    Umm...that was the default font size. Also, if you look at the first picture, the nav bar is also the default size.
    09-24-2013 02:19 AM
  21. SteelGator's Avatar
    The error it seems I've made is measuring diagonally from top of button bar to opposite corner top of screen. My error being measuring diagonal, as if it were still 16x9 above the button bar.

    I'd still like to know why more content on webpages and applications seem to fit (while still readable) on the iPhone screen. It just seems like use of space is much better, with Android, manufactures don't increase that 'screen density' setting in the build prop file so everything just gets bigger (buttons, menus, etc) with larger screen phones.
    Can't this all be adjusted by changing the font size? Also, there is an advantage of showing the same amount or even slightly less if the font is larger / easier to read.

    Take a look at the on screen keyboard for example. I find it harder to type on the iPhone because the screen is smaller resulting in a much smaller keyboard.


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    09-24-2013 07:02 AM
  22. Infinity's Avatar
    I can understand the OP's move if photo quality is a major concern. I have a 3 year old little girl, and the only reason I am thinking of getting a 5s is for the camera. I prefer android over iOS for its widgets, keyboards, roms, etc. However, I have yet to see an iPhone level camera in an android phone with a "small" form factor. I know the S4 and the Note 3 have great cameras, but they are substantially bigger than in size than the Moto X. The recent update to the Moto X is what has me holding out for hope to stay on android, but I still see a lot of problems. For example, look at the bottom left corner of this picture, there is a greenish tint to the wall and the woman's legs. And in these photos, example1 and example2, the sky in the left corner is purple. The washed out problem appears to be fixed, but the purple fringing seems to be worse than before.
    09-24-2013 01:15 PM
  23. roadkizzle's Avatar
    I honestly cannot tell any difference in the color or tinting on the womans legs compared to her arms,andcannot see any oddly greenish part of the picture.

    The purple tint of course will show up whenever there is light directly hitting the lens so entirely should occur only depending on the picture composition and if you don't shield any camera.
    09-24-2013 04:11 PM
  24. GadgetGator's Avatar
    I can understand the OP's move if photo quality is a major concern. I have a 3 year old little girl, and the only reason I am thinking of getting a 5s is for the camera. I prefer android over iOS for its widgets, keyboards, roms, etc. However, I have yet to see an iPhone level camera in an android phone with a "small" form factor. I know the S4 and the Note 3 have great cameras, but they are substantially bigger than in size than the Moto X. The recent update to the Moto X is what has me holding out for hope to stay on android, but I still see a lot of problems. For example, look at the bottom left corner of this picture, there is a greenish tint to the wall and the woman's legs. And in these photos, example1 and example2, the sky in the left corner is purple. The washed out problem appears to be fixed, but the purple fringing seems to be worse than before.
    Take enough photos with an iphone and you will find things to compalin about or aren't perfect there too. Because no camera phone is perfect. None. The day may come in the future where that is no longer the case, but that day is not today and everything is still a matter of tradeoffs.
    09-24-2013 04:42 PM
  25. slave's Avatar
    Take enough photos with an iphone and you will find things to compalin about or aren't perfect there too. Because no camera phone is perfect. None. The day may come in the future where that is no longer the case, but that day is not today and everything is still a matter of tradeoffs.
    Except, that before the update, the Moto X camera, is plain flat out horrible.
    Paisley likes this.
    09-24-2013 06:43 PM
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