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  1. dpw2atox's Avatar
    So I didn't take the time to read every post but I wanted to jump in with my 2c on my experience with my Moto X. First off I love this phone, it is super fast and smooth and has given me the best experience so far of any Android device i've ever used. It does have a few bugs but the first OTA that is out or being deployed shortly (depending on the carrier) resolves these. Motorola made a lot of great design decisions with this phone and it shows. I'll address a lot of the issues 1 at a time that people keep bringing up with the specs.

    -Dual core vs Quad core.....well this isn't an issue at all because the reality is that prior to ICS Android didn't even really properly support dual core chips. So yes there is kernel support for quad core but the OS itself really can't take full advantage of the 2 extra cores. What you get instead (even the Moto Engineers said this) is firmware tweaks where they attempt to load balance processes across each core while keeping all 4 cores clocked as low as possible as to not kill your battery. If you look at most benchmarks though, there really isn't a performance benefit to quad core over dual core except in synthetic benchmarks. I mean desktop computers barely utilize quad core chips and they do tons of multitasking, dual core is perfectly fine for mobile devices and should remain that way for a while. Even the new iPhone 5S is still dual core and the A7 is a pretty fast chip so don't let manufacturers trick you into think its junk if it isn't quad core. The S4 Pro chip that the X uses is actually a Snapdragon 600 chip, just the dual core model so it's still the new Krait 300 arch.

    -Companion cores are like the M7 from Apple but better......So while Apple made a big deal about the M7 being this amazing thing, Motorola beat them to the punch with the Moto X. It has a contextual computing core that handles notifications for active display as well as all the sensor processing data but there is also a dedicated language chip for voice processing. Now we don't quite know the extent of what the voice processing chip does exactly and if 3rd party apps can use it or not but regardless both these chips help give the Moto X great battery life when it doesn't get heavy use.

    -720p vs 1080p.......Well this is an interesting one here, the Moto X's 720p screen uses a full 720p display and has almost the same ppi as an iPhone 5/5S aka retina display. Yes you may notice a small difference if you stare at both a S4 and a X at the same time but in day to day use, you won't see the individual pixels and since you aren't taxing the GPU as hard, you'll get great fps from the Adreno 320 gpu. The final note is to cram in 1080p worth of pixels into a display, a lot of manufacturers don't use "full 1080p" displays, they kind of cheat and use something akin to a pentile display (i forget the actual name off the top of my head) but basically not every pixel is a real pixel. So while the ppi is very high aka 400+, its not "true 1080p".

    -Device I/O performance......this for me is a big one and goes along with the design decisions Motorola made. They decided to use F2FS as their file system for the user space aka where all our data, apps, etc is stored as opposed to the standard EXT4. F2FS was developed by Samsung and was specifically designed for flash memory. On a PC/Server, a SSD drive has both the flash storage and a small processor/controller that handles a lot of the data queueing, i/o operations, etc....but on a flash memory chip in a smartphone there simply isn't space for that. F2FS was designed with this in mind and in simple terms sort of acts as a software controller. F2FS also has native TRIM support on file deletion (Android 4.3 brings TRIM but it is run every 24 hrs) which greatly helps keep performance consistent over long periods of time. The reason for this is typically after a sector on the flash storage has been written to, when a file is deleted only the "index" is deleted, the actual sector still will retain its value so when the time comes to rewrite to that sector, it needs to be wiped first then written which will slow things up. By clearing the value right away this scenario is avoided and your device won't degrade over time. So basically F2FS is one of the many reasons the Moto X runs so buttery smooth.

    Here is a link to some F2FS benchmarks:
    [Phoronix] Linux 3.11 File-System Performance: EXT4, Btrfs, XFS, F2FS

    Finally, how future proof is the Moto X? Well it has BT 4.0 which is fairly new and while it has basic support now that Motorola developed, it will have the official Android support after the 4.3 update. It has an Adreno 320 GPU which is one of the fastest on the market right now and again after 4.3 is released it will gain OpenGL ES 3.0 which is very new. The device has 2GB of ram which at least for the near future is plenty (I think the only device with 3GB is the Note 3?). The Moto X uses a mostly stock Android which will help keep the overhead low without the additional UI bloat stealing away cpu cycles and system resources. Motorola also really seems to be trying to redefine themselves as a company and fix their image. There have been multiple posts by Punit Soni (head project manager for motorola) where he has tried to personally help people with their issues with the Moto X and has replied that Motorola is going to offer many software updates in a timely manner for this device. Hopefully this means that as long as the device can run a new version of Android that Motorola will update the device to it.

    So if you want a quick summary? Yes buy this phone.
    Ry, Johnly, davidnc and 4 others like this.
    09-27-2013 06:30 AM
  2. josephz2va's Avatar
    You can also go for Next and it is a one and 1/2 year contract. Then at the next unveiling in a year pay extra due.
    09-27-2013 06:34 AM
  3. srkmagnus's Avatar
    I'm starting to like this device more and more. Moto really did do a good job and it shows. Hopefully this is the beginning of a good future for upcoming phone releases by the company.

    Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk 2
    09-27-2013 08:28 AM
  4. davidnc's Avatar
    I'm starting to like this device more and more. Moto really did do a good job and it shows. Hopefully this is the beginning of a good future for upcoming phone releases by the company.

    Sent from my GT-P7510 using Tapatalk 2
    I agree. I do research my phones and usually have the list narrowed down to 3 phones that I compair and decided from there which phone is best for me.
    I choose the Moto X because if seem to fit what i was looking for.I was a little hesistant since the last Motorola phone I had was the dx(got on release day) and wasnt happy with overall.

    But this little Moto X has really impresed me from the smooth OS, a large screen in a small frame phone ,to the Touchless Control,Active Notifications.I m glad I went with the Moto X
    Ry likes this.
    09-27-2013 08:41 AM
  5. ConTejas's Avatar
    C'mon. Moto X has midrange specs. We know it performs wonderfully, and feels great in the hand, but it pales in comparison to Q4 2013 devices on the spec sheet. Deal with it already. You obviously liked it enough to buy it, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has Q4 2013 flagship specs. Someone coming from an iPhone should be accustomed to a device that performs well without burning up the spec sheet. That said, if you're not in a terrible rush I'd suggest you wait to see how vanilla Android performs on a device that DOES burn up the spec sheet...ala Nexus 5/Kitkat. Most likely save yourself a bunch of cash too.
    09-27-2013 01:03 PM
  6. tonymhoffman's Avatar
    C'mon. Moto X has midrange specs. We know it performs wonderfully, and feels great in the hand, but it pales in comparison to Q4 2013 devices on the spec sheet. Deal with it already. You obviously liked it enough to buy it, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has Q4 2013 flagship specs. Someone coming from an iPhone should be accustomed to a device that performs well without burning up the spec sheet. That said, if you're not in a terrible rush I'd suggest you wait to see how vanilla Android performs on a device that DOES burn up the spec sheet...ala Nexus 5/Kitkat. Most likely save yourself a bunch of cash too.
    Nice trolling post here...

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    09-27-2013 01:09 PM
  7. Ry's Avatar
    So I didn't take the time to read every post but I wanted to jump in with my 2c on my experience with my Moto X. First off I love this phone, it is super fast and smooth and has given me the best experience so far of any Android device i've ever used. It does have a few bugs but the first OTA that is out or being deployed shortly (depending on the carrier) resolves these. Motorola made a lot of great design decisions with this phone and it shows. I'll address a lot of the issues 1 at a time that people keep bringing up with the specs.

    -Dual core vs Quad core.....well this isn't an issue at all because the reality is that prior to ICS Android didn't even really properly support dual core chips. So yes there is kernel support for quad core but the OS itself really can't take full advantage of the 2 extra cores. What you get instead (even the Moto Engineers said this) is firmware tweaks where they attempt to load balance processes across each core while keeping all 4 cores clocked as low as possible as to not kill your battery. If you look at most benchmarks though, there really isn't a performance benefit to quad core over dual core except in synthetic benchmarks. I mean desktop computers barely utilize quad core chips and they do tons of multitasking, dual core is perfectly fine for mobile devices and should remain that way for a while. Even the new iPhone 5S is still dual core and the A7 is a pretty fast chip so don't let manufacturers trick you into think its junk if it isn't quad core. The S4 Pro chip that the X uses is actually a Snapdragon 600 chip, just the dual core model so it's still the new Krait 300 arch.

    -Companion cores are like the M7 from Apple but better......So while Apple made a big deal about the M7 being this amazing thing, Motorola beat them to the punch with the Moto X. It has a contextual computing core that handles notifications for active display as well as all the sensor processing data but there is also a dedicated language chip for voice processing. Now we don't quite know the extent of what the voice processing chip does exactly and if 3rd party apps can use it or not but regardless both these chips help give the Moto X great battery life when it doesn't get heavy use.

    -720p vs 1080p.......Well this is an interesting one here, the Moto X's 720p screen uses a full 720p display and has almost the same ppi as an iPhone 5/5S aka retina display. Yes you may notice a small difference if you stare at both a S4 and a X at the same time but in day to day use, you won't see the individual pixels and since you aren't taxing the GPU as hard, you'll get great fps from the Adreno 320 gpu. The final note is to cram in 1080p worth of pixels into a display, a lot of manufacturers don't use "full 1080p" displays, they kind of cheat and use something akin to a pentile display (i forget the actual name off the top of my head) but basically not every pixel is a real pixel. So while the ppi is very high aka 400+, its not "true 1080p".

    -Device I/O performance......this for me is a big one and goes along with the design decisions Motorola made. They decided to use F2FS as their file system for the user space aka where all our data, apps, etc is stored as opposed to the standard EXT4. F2FS was developed by Samsung and was specifically designed for flash memory. On a PC/Server, a SSD drive has both the flash storage and a small processor/controller that handles a lot of the data queueing, i/o operations, etc....but on a flash memory chip in a smartphone there simply isn't space for that. F2FS was designed with this in mind and in simple terms sort of acts as a software controller. F2FS also has native TRIM support on file deletion (Android 4.3 brings TRIM but it is run every 24 hrs) which greatly helps keep performance consistent over long periods of time. The reason for this is typically after a sector on the flash storage has been written to, when a file is deleted only the "index" is deleted, the actual sector still will retain its value so when the time comes to rewrite to that sector, it needs to be wiped first then written which will slow things up. By clearing the value right away this scenario is avoided and your device won't degrade over time. So basically F2FS is one of the many reasons the Moto X runs so buttery smooth.

    Here is a link to some F2FS benchmarks:
    [Phoronix] Linux 3.11 File-System Performance: EXT4, Btrfs, XFS, F2FS

    Finally, how future proof is the Moto X? Well it has BT 4.0 which is fairly new and while it has basic support now that Motorola developed, it will have the official Android support after the 4.3 update. It has an Adreno 320 GPU which is one of the fastest on the market right now and again after 4.3 is released it will gain OpenGL ES 3.0 which is very new. The device has 2GB of ram which at least for the near future is plenty (I think the only device with 3GB is the Note 3?). The Moto X uses a mostly stock Android which will help keep the overhead low without the additional UI bloat stealing away cpu cycles and system resources. Motorola also really seems to be trying to redefine themselves as a company and fix their image. There have been multiple posts by Punit Soni (head project manager for motorola) where he has tried to personally help people with their issues with the Moto X and has replied that Motorola is going to offer many software updates in a timely manner for this device. Hopefully this means that as long as the device can run a new version of Android that Motorola will update the device to it.

    So if you want a quick summary? Yes buy this phone.
    Well put.
    09-27-2013 01:18 PM
  8. grooks's Avatar
    C'mon. Moto X has midrange specs. We know it performs wonderfully, and feels great in the hand, but it pales in comparison to Q4 2013 devices on the spec sheet. Deal with it already. You obviously liked it enough to buy it, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has Q4 2013 flagship specs. Someone coming from an iPhone should be accustomed to a device that performs well without burning up the spec sheet. That said, if you're not in a terrible rush I'd suggest you wait to see how vanilla Android performs on a device that DOES burn up the spec sheet...ala Nexus 5/Kitkat. Most likely save yourself a bunch of cash too.
    So what exactly are Q4 2013 flagship specs?

    Sent from my Moto X
    09-27-2013 01:53 PM
  9. ConTejas's Avatar
    Nice trolling post here...

    Posted via Android Central App
    Says the guy with a fraction of my thanks/likes and whom added NOTHING of value to my post...just didn't "like it." Well it's pure fact and I offered the OP my suggestion. I don't sign contracts, but I wouldn't suggest doing it for the Moto X on ATT or Tmobile. Especially in Q4. Only stopped in because it's a "trending topic." Try again buddy.
    Gamer_Radar likes this.
    09-27-2013 01:55 PM
  10. benhmadison's Avatar
    C'mon. Moto X has midrange specs. We know it performs wonderfully, and feels great in the hand, but it pales in comparison to Q4 2013 devices on the spec sheet. Deal with it already. You obviously liked it enough to buy it, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has Q4 2013 flagship specs. Someone coming from an iPhone should be accustomed to a device that performs well without burning up the spec sheet. That said, if you're not in a terrible rush I'd suggest you wait to see how vanilla Android performs on a device that DOES burn up the spec sheet...ala Nexus 5/Kitkat. Most likely save yourself a bunch of cash too.
    The Nexus 5 as nice as it may turn out to be still won't have active notifications, Motorola connect, touchless control or the battery life that makes the Moto X the best device available for Android. If you don't think it can hang with the likes of the Note 3 you are wrong. It's a winner!
    09-27-2013 02:13 PM
  11. ConTejas's Avatar
    So what exactly are Q4 2013 flagship specs?

    Sent from my Moto X
    Short list? S800 or equivalent, Adreno 330 or equivalent, 1080P, 13+MP camera with OIS, Android 4.3+. You know what they are, and non of them exist in the Moto X. We can argue till the cows come home of their need or relevance, but those are Q4 2013 flagship specs. I already said I've enjoyed the Moto X, and as a longtime Nexus user it felt light and comfortable from a software perspective, and great in the hand. Just don't be so defensive against the midrange specs comments, becase it's a fact, and be proud Moto made it work as well as it does
    09-27-2013 02:13 PM
  12. globster2000's Avatar
    Says the guy with a fraction of my thanks/likes and whom added NOTHING of value to my post...just didn't "like it." Well it's pure fact and I offered the OP my suggestion. I don't sign contracts, but I wouldn't suggest doing it for the Moto X on ATT or Tmobile. Especially in Q4. Only stopped in because it's a "trending topic." Try again buddy.
    Have you owned a moto x?

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    09-27-2013 02:15 PM
  13. JungleLarry's Avatar
    Says the guy with a fraction of my thanks/likes and whom added NOTHING of value to my post...just didn't "like it." Well it's pure fact and I offered the OP my suggestion. I don't sign contracts, but I wouldn't suggest doing it for the Moto X on ATT or Tmobile. Especially in Q4. Only stopped in because it's a "trending topic." Try again buddy.
    Have a gander: http://forums.androidcentral.com/mot...out-specs.html

    It was quite a good thread before it was derailed by senseless bickering. There are a few posts in there that might change your perspective, from some awfully knowledgeable users who have far more thanks/likes than you do (if that's your standard for judging others...)
    09-27-2013 02:19 PM
  14. globster2000's Avatar
    Have a gander: http://forums.androidcentral.com/mot...out-specs.html

    It was quite a good thread before it was derailed by senseless bickering. There are a few posts in there that might change your perspective, from some awfully knowledgeable users that have far more thanks/likes than you do (if that's your standard for judging others...)
    I'm starting to think that that thread should be stickied. Just like the iPhone thread

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    09-27-2013 02:23 PM
  15. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Or you could wait and see the impending Nexus. If rumors are to be believed, it will have all those spec boxes checked. Plus guaranteed immediate software updates and no need for a contract. Will be reasonably priced too if it follows the Nexus trend.

    The only thing the moto x has on it(based on rumors) is the Moto active notifications and voice recognition. If you can live without those 2 features, it is a wash for the nexus.
    09-27-2013 02:49 PM
  16. ScottMGS's Avatar
    ...
    The only thing the moto x has on it(based on rumors) is the Moto active notifications and voice recognition. If you can live without those 2 features, it is a wash for the nexus.
    Um, those two features are kinda the point of getting a Moto X, aren't they?
    09-27-2013 03:30 PM
  17. guesswhat_567's Avatar
    also nexus 5 wont be available on verizon

    Um, those two features are kinda the point of getting a Moto X, aren't they?
    09-27-2013 03:37 PM
  18. anon5664829's Avatar
    C'mon. Moto X has midrange specs. We know it performs wonderfully, and feels great in the hand, but it pales in comparison to Q4 2013 devices on the spec sheet. Deal with it already. You obviously liked it enough to buy it, but you're kidding yourself if you think it has Q4 2013 flagship specs. Someone coming from an iPhone should be accustomed to a device that performs well without burning up the spec sheet. That said, if you're not in a terrible rush I'd suggest you wait to see how vanilla Android performs on a device that DOES burn up the spec sheet...ala Nexus 5/Kitkat. Most likely save yourself a bunch of cash too.
    Sorry but the iPhone has high end specs, have you seen the bench marks of the A7 in the 5S? It beats out the S800.

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    09-27-2013 04:04 PM
  19. anon5664829's Avatar
    Or you could wait and see the impending Nexus. If rumors are to be believed, it will have all those spec boxes checked. Plus guaranteed immediate software updates and no need for a contract. Will be reasonably priced too if it follows the Nexus trend.

    The only thing the moto x has on it(based on rumors) is the Moto active notifications and voice recognition. If you can live without those 2 features, it is a wash for the nexus.
    Oh so you have forgotten the better battery life. Better camera, faster NAND. Smaller phone footprint. Triple noise cancelling.

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    09-27-2013 05:38 PM
  20. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Oh so you have forgotten the better battery life. Better camera, faster NAND. Smaller phone footprint. Triple noise cancelling.

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    Smaller footprint is the only thing of all of that that can be said with some certainty right now. Maybe noise cancelation because it would not need it. No one has any idea about battery life, camera, or nand performance. It could all be better, worse, or the same. Which is why I suggested for the op to wait. Screen and raw hardware will most definitely be better if the leaks are accurate. And sense he is interested in gsm networks it seems, there should be no problem getting to work.
    Gamer_Radar likes this.
    09-27-2013 11:15 PM
  21. anon5664829's Avatar
    Smaller footprint is the only thing of all of that that can be said with some certainty right now. Maybe noise cancelation because it would not need it. No one has any idea about battery life, camera, or nand performance. It could all be better, worse, or the same. Which is why I suggested for the op to wait. Screen and raw hardware will most definitely be better if the leaks are accurate. And sense he is interested in gsm networks it seems, there should be no problem getting to work.
    No one knows how they perform? Its been a month! Plus endless reviews of it. The Moto X is better then the Nexus 4 in everything except updates. And I say this as a Nexus 4 owner.

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    09-28-2013 12:28 AM
  22. clankfu's Avatar
    So I didn't take the time to read every post but I wanted to jump in with my 2c on my experience with my Moto X. First off I love this phone, it is super fast and smooth and has given me the best experience so far of any Android device i've ever used. It does have a few bugs but the first OTA that is out or being deployed shortly (depending on the carrier) resolves these. Motorola made a lot of great design decisions with this phone and it shows. I'll address a lot of the issues 1 at a time that people keep bringing up with the specs.
    Great breakdown. Should be stickied for anyone on the fence about this phone.
    09-28-2013 12:53 AM
  23. parmy5521's Avatar
    I have been an Iphone user since the 3g. I tried the one x+ last year and hated it, returned for a iphone 5 within 24 hours. I picked up the moto-x after liking my nexus 7 (first gen) tablet however wanted that in "pocket form". I was steering away from the moto-x due to specs and camera. I read the reviews and dropped $820 on my CC to "try it out" (Returning it for refund within policy). I can honestly say I have had this phone for 4 days and I am mad I have to return it. I'm trying to figure out how to "image" this phone so when I get my new one I can just login and have everything again.

    I highly recommend this phone, my dads girlfriend has the s4, i played around with it and find touchwiz awful. The otterbox is nice and I can post pics if you want.
    09-28-2013 10:57 AM
  24. NoYankees44's Avatar
    No one knows how they perform? Its been a month! Plus endless reviews of it. The Moto X is better then the Nexus 4 in everything except updates. And I say this as a Nexus 4 owner.

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    I as referring to the next nexus... Follow the comments please
    09-28-2013 11:38 AM
  25. BlackHawkA4's Avatar
    I haven't read anything but the first few posts but I think it is:

    I had until June on my sprint account. I couldn't take it anymore. Service was horrible. I paid the $180 for the etf and switched to Verizon for this phone.

    After looking at the phones on the market this seems to be the best one out there.

    "Last years" dual core tuned. Quad core GPU. 2 more smaller cores for smaller tasks. Really make this phone smooth. On a vanilla os with some added features.

    Google owned. American made.

    I wanted a smooth phone that just worked on a established reliable network. This does it for me. The s4 is too flashy with too much going on. The specs aren't the top of the lines specs of this hear but they are fine tuned and with the dedication to all 8 cores doing different tasks to phone is the smoothest phone I've ever used.

    - Galaxy epic
    - nexus s
    - evo LTE.

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    09-28-2013 01:02 PM
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