10-03-2013 05:52 PM
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  1. Gator352's Avatar
    This phone has been nothing short of amazing. Sure, they could have included a 1080p screen (they really should have) and the camera never should have shipped with it borked, but it did, and a fix is on the way for most of us. The radios in this blow away Samsung's radio's hands down. The One is up there with this but just not as good...I get 4G at my house I didn't know I had with the X! Any how....

    What do you guys think what needs to be in 4.3? Here's my take:

    1. MotoGoo...Lose the Google search bar on every home screen. It's ridiculously obtrusive. We already have "always listening" by saying "ok google now...." for search and other features. I know using a different launcher corrects this (I use nova) but we shouldn't have to compromise to reclaim screen real estate.

    2. Make Google Now a truly useful phone feature by including simple phone commands such as "ok google now....turn on Bluetooth". S voice has this. Siri has this. Why not G Now?

    3. Notification Toggles needs to be reworked. If I tap Bluetooth or wifi, it should turn on/off instead of taking you to the BT/wifi menu. It's an extra step that's NOT needed.

    EDIT: See post #10 ,TheLegoman, for instructions and THANKS if you didn't know this!

    4. Messaging. After reading/writing text and I hit the home button, it goes to home screen. If later I get a message from another person and either use active notifications, or the app itself to message back, it takes you directly back to the LAST person you messaged, not to the person who messaged you....so you have to hit the back button twice and tap the new message to view it. Now if you hit back twice to the home screen after you're done messaging, all is good. Actually 3 times if you count hitting back to get rid of the keyboard. Really annoying.

    If #4 isn't experienced by anyone, then maybe it's me and please post a fix...or slap me upside the head for having a bad dream or something....

    5. The bottom back, home, and multitask buttons needs to be removed to get back screen real estate. They should implement swipe up from bottom bezel to reveal controls.

    I know the X is "mostly" pure android but there is a slight skin added. I also know apps in the Play Store will fix most of my gripes but these are solely my gripes that I would like to see changed or fixed. Yours will differ for the most part but let's hear what you think should be added, removed, or fixed.
    mballs4life likes this.
    10-01-2013 07:21 PM
  2. daddio211's Avatar
    I want the poor transmit quality on Bluetooth devices fixed! There are several threads here addressing the problem with no resolution.
    10-01-2013 07:27 PM
  3. rajeshr68's Avatar
    1. MotoGoo...Lose the Google search bar on every home screen. It's ridiculously obtrusive. We already have "always listening" by saying "ok google now...." for search and other features. I know using a different launcher corrects this (I use nova) but we shouldn't have to compromise to reclaim screen real estate.
    Isn't this the behaviour on stock Android? Rather than Moto, this should be an issue for Google to deal with as part of KitKat.

    2. Make Google Now a truly useful phone feature by including simple phone commands such as "ok google now....turn on Bluetooth". S voice has this. Siri has this. Why not G Now?
    I agree, this would be really useful.

    3. Notification Toggles needs to be reworked. If I tap Bluetooth or wifi, it should turn on/off instead of taking you to the BT/wifi menu. It's an extra step that's NOT needed.
    Once again, isn't this stock Android behaviour. If so, see response to #1.


    4. Messaging. After reading/writing text and I hit the home button, it goes to home screen. If later I get a message from another person and either use active notifications, or the app itself to message back, it takes you directly back to the LAST person you messaged, not to the person who messaged you....so you have to hit the back button twice and tap the new message to view it. Now if you hit back twice to the home screen after you're done messaging, all is good. Actually 3 times if you count hitting back to get rid of the keyboard. Really annoying.

    If #4 isn't experienced by anyone, then maybe it's me and please post a fix...or slap me upside the head for having a bad dream or something....
    I haven't noticed this - not saying this isn't the case, but I haven't paid attention to it.
    5. The bottom back, home, and multitask buttons needs to be removed to get back screen real estate. They should implement swipe up from bottom bezel to reveal controls.
    See point #1

    I know the X is "mostly" pure android but there is a slight skin added. I also know apps in the Play Store will fix most of my gripes but these are solely my gripes that I would like to see changed or fixed. Yours will differ for the most part but let's hear what you think should be added, removed, or fixed.
    I'd rather Moto not deviate from the stock Android experience. Add to it, yes! But not deviate from it like Samsung or HTC have done. This will make updates take even longer. I think your point of notification toggles is valid and would like Google to address it in KitKat.

    I'd like to see Moto address having a custom phrase to activate Google Now! Another feature I'd like to see is to allow us the ability to set the flash interval of Active Notifications!


    jephanie likes this.
    10-01-2013 07:34 PM
  4. tonymhoffman's Avatar
    Did the op come from an iPhone?

    Posted via Android Central App
    Ry likes this.
    10-01-2013 07:38 PM
  5. Gator352's Avatar
    I want the poor transmit quality on Bluetooth devices fixed! There are several threads here addressing the problem with no resolution.
    I haven't experienced bad quality with BT. I use a Moto Sliver II as my headset and the only thing I've noticed is that the darn thing uses auto volume and sometimes it's so quiet I can't hear the other person...but it corrects itself soon after....
    10-01-2013 07:39 PM
  6. Gator352's Avatar
    Did the op come from an iPhone?

    Posted via Android Central App
    Um.....no. But this is the first "almost pure android" phone I have used.
    Anthony_NE likes this.
    10-01-2013 07:43 PM
  7. tonymhoffman's Avatar
    Um.....no. But this is the first "almost pure android" phone I have used.
    Only reason I ask is because your wishes with the messaging is native to apple. Then again I've not payed much attention and never had it do that on my nexus 4 either. I've been using vanilla since my coming to android.

    I assumed that since android is true multitasking you go back where you left off, instead of closing an old task to create new.

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    10-01-2013 07:46 PM
  8. Gator352's Avatar
    1. MotoGoo...Lose the Google search bar on every home screen. It's ridiculously obtrusive. We already have "always listening" by saying "ok google now...." for search and other features. I know using a different launcher corrects this (I use nova) but we shouldn't have to compromise to reclaim screen real estate.
    Isn't this the behaviour on stock Android? Rather than Moto, this should be an issue for Google to deal with as part of KitKat.

    2. Make Google Now a truly useful phone feature by including simple phone commands such as "ok google now....turn on Bluetooth". S voice has this. Siri has this. Why not G Now?
    I agree, this would be really useful.

    3. Notification Toggles needs to be reworked. If I tap Bluetooth or wifi, it should turn on/off instead of taking you to the BT/wifi menu. It's an extra step that's NOT needed.
    Once again, isn't this stock Android behaviour. If so, see response to #1.


    4. Messaging. After reading/writing text and I hit the home button, it goes to home screen. If later I get a message from another person and either use active notifications, or the app itself to message back, it takes you directly back to the LAST person you messaged, not to the person who messaged you....so you have to hit the back button twice and tap the new message to view it. Now if you hit back twice to the home screen after you're done messaging, all is good. Actually 3 times if you count hitting back to get rid of the keyboard. Really annoying.

    If #4 isn't experienced by anyone, then maybe it's me and please post a fix...or slap me upside the head for having a bad dream or something....
    I haven't noticed this - not saying this isn't the case, but I haven't paid attention to it.
    5. The bottom back, home, and multitask buttons needs to be removed to get back screen real estate. They should implement swipe up from bottom bezel to reveal controls.
    See point #1

    I know the X is "mostly" pure android but there is a slight skin added. I also know apps in the Play Store will fix most of my gripes but these are solely my gripes that I would like to see changed or fixed. Yours will differ for the most part but let's hear what you think should be added, removed, or fixed.
    I'd rather Moto not deviate from the stock Android experience. Add to it, yes! But not deviate from it like Samsung or HTC have done. This will make updates take even longer. I think your point of notification toggles is valid and would like Google to address it in KitKat.

    I'd like to see Moto address having a custom phrase to activate Google Now! Another feature I'd like to see is to allow us the ability to set the flash interval of Active Notifications!


    Not sure if it's a "stock" android experience as this is the first "stock" android phone I have owned. I know TW. I know Sense. But stock and it's behavior is new to me. I agree that Moto not deviate as it will make it take longer to get updates. Also agree on the flash interval for active notifications <------good one!
    10-01-2013 07:50 PM
  9. Gator352's Avatar
    Only reason I ask is because your wishes with the messaging is native to apple. Then again I've not payed much attention and never had it do that on my nexus 4 either. I've been using vanilla since my coming to android.

    I assumed that since android is true multitasking you go back where you left off, instead of closing an old task to create new.

    Posted via Android Central App
    Like on my HTC ONE, after I'm done texting and hit the home button, it takes me to my home screen. Then say if my wife texts me, whether I use the messaging app or notification panel, it takes me directly to her thread. It does this with every person everytime. With the X, it always takes me back to where I left off and have to hit the back button...once to get rid of keyboard and a second to get back to list view of threads and then select the person who texted me.
    10-01-2013 07:58 PM
  10. TheLegoman's Avatar
    For complaint no.3, try pressing and holding the icons to see what they do. On my N4 pressing and holding will act as a toggle.

    Posted via Android Central App
    10-01-2013 08:03 PM
  11. Gator352's Avatar
    For complaint no.3, try pressing and holding the icons to see what they do. On my N4 pressing and holding will act as a toggle.

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    No ****!!!! It worked! Awsome man thanks. Never thought to press and hold them!
    Jeromegotevo4g likes this.
    10-01-2013 08:06 PM
  12. TechTinker's Avatar
    Like on my HTC ONE, after I'm done texting and hit the home button, it takes me to my home screen. Then say if my wife texts me, whether I use the messaging app or notification panel, it takes me directly to her thread. It does this with every person everytime. With the X, it always takes me back to where I left off and have to hit the back button...once to get rid of keyboard and a second to get back to list view of threads and then select the person who texted me.
    When you click on the notification it takes you where you left off in the messaging app? Thats strange, I don't have a X so I don't know if its tied to that but I havent had that issue on other Moto devices. If you click on the multitasking button and click on messaging, thats why it's happening.
    10-01-2013 08:16 PM
  13. davidnc's Avatar
    I understand where the OP is coming from.The way the features of the Moto X doesnt really annoy me .This is actually my first android phone in the last 2 years that I havent rooted/and or Romed with in a few days of ownership.I have had this phone for almost a month .
    1) I dont really put alot of apps on my homescreens and as you mentioned Nova launcher will remove but not gain the real estate back.It wouldnt bother me either way removed but would be nice to have that option to choose without and 3rd party app and/or rooting Im not OCD about tho lol
    2) If I used bluetooth more I could see that being useful.
    3) (removed ) saw above post #10 lol
    4) I kinda have adopted to the way the stock Sms messing app is, otherwise I would install a 3rd party app.be nice if it was an option for the stock sms
    5) I like the software keys , but would be nice if you could choose which software keys to have shown there and the option to hide them.Im not sure but I thought AOKP had that option in their Rom for Galaxy Nexus I could be wrong tho.

    I have had HTC phones (sense) older Motorola Phones (Motorblur) and Samsung(TouchWiz) and have used them all stock and rooted /romed .I think the Moto X is the smoothest I ran totally stock so they are doing something right.
    But since android seems to be more about choices or options then they should include them . I can remember when you had to be rooted just to be able to take a screenshot of your phone screens
    10-01-2013 08:17 PM
  14. Gator352's Avatar
    When you click on the notification it takes you where you left off in the messaging app? Thats strange, I don't have a X so I don't know if its tied to that but I havent had that issue on other Moto devices. If you click on the multitasking button and click on messaging, thats why it's happening.
    I haven't had this issue on other moto's either like my Photon 4G. And no, not using multitasking and clicking on messaging.
    10-01-2013 08:20 PM
  15. Gator352's Avatar
    I understand where the OP is coming from.The way the features of the Moto X doesnt really annoy me .This is actually my first android phone in the last 2 years that I havent rooted/and or Romed with in a few days of ownership.I have had this phone for almost a month .
    1) I dont really put alot of apps on my homescreens and as you mentioned Nova launcher will remove but not gain the real estate back.It wouldnt bother me either way removed but would be nice to have that option to choose without and 3rd party app and/or rooting Im not OCD about tho lol

    It kinda does gain it back. With it removed you can place your clock widget there making it more of a clean look. Otherwise, you have to place it under the search bar.

    2) If I used bluetooth more I could see that being useful.
    3) (removed ) saw above post #10 lol

    Changed it in the OP

    4) I can of have adopted to the way the stock Sms messing app is, otherwise I would install a 3rd party app.be nice if it was an option for the stock sms
    5) I like the software keys , but would be nice if you could choose which software keys to have shown there and the option to hide them.Im not sure but I thought AOKP had that option in their Rom for Galaxy Nexus I could be wrong tho.

    I have had HTC phones (sense) older Motorola Phones (Motorblur) and Samsung(TouchWiz) and have used them all stock and rooted /romed .I think the Moto X is the smoothest I ran totally stock so they are doing something right.
    But since android seems to be more about choices or options then they should include them . I can remember when you had to be rooted just to be able to take a screenshot of your phone screens
    10-01-2013 08:30 PM
  16. TechTinker's Avatar
    I haven't had this issue on other moto's either like my Photon 4G. And no, not using multitasking and clicking on messaging.
    So you're clicking on the app on the homescreen? Hm I guess that makes sense though. Have you tried looking the new text in the notification bar, or through active notification and clicking on those, those should lead to the new message.
    10-01-2013 08:53 PM
  17. JudH's Avatar
    After reading/writing text and I hit the home button, it goes to home screen. If later I get a message from another person and either use active notifications, or the app itself to message back, it takes you directly back to the LAST person you messaged, not to the person who messaged you....so you have to hit the back button twice and tap the new message to view it.
    Welcome to multitasking. Pressing the home key doesn't exit the app--it leaves it open/active and goes to the home screen. When you reenter the app it's going to attempt to resume where it was and because you were within a conversation it won't close it automatically--you wouldn't want it to if you were in the middle of typing. If you always exit the message app using the back key it will enter the next message the way you want. It is always better to exit apps via the back key when you're done since that's how the OS knows it can close the app and reclaim memory if needed.
    10-01-2013 10:11 PM
  18. russel5150's Avatar
    I for one am happy the moto x and droid lines stayed w 720 instead of going to 1080 just for the sake of saying it has it... The only benefit to 1080 on screens this size is the fact that its a selling point.. But Motorola was smart to exclude it knowing it uses more battery w out any real benefits.

    My opinion of course, but I have the new droid maxx because I wanted battery, and a lot of people seem to be getting good battery life w the moto x, and a 1080 would hamper that.

    Also it used to bother me that when I hit the home button from text and then went back it opened right where I was, until I realized its actually useful.. Say tour texting someone some info and need to go look something up, you go home, search what you need and when you re open the text app you are right back to your message.. You don't have to start over.. Its right there...

    Using my Moto Droid Maxx
    phippsy84 likes this.
    10-02-2013 12:13 AM
  19. shadowgod's Avatar
    Welcome to multitasking. Pressing the home key doesn't exit the app--it leaves it open/active and goes to the home screen. When you reenter the app it's going to attempt to resume where it was and because you were within a conversation it won't close it automatically--you wouldn't want it to if you were in the middle of typing. If you always exit the message app using the back key it will enter the next message the way you want. It is always better to exit apps via the back key when you're done since that's how the OS knows it can close the app and reclaim memory if needed.
    +1

    You learn this if you do Android development. If you want to "exit" an app completely (in most cases, unless a service is running), hit the BACK button. Only hit HOME button if you want to in a sense "suspend" the app so you can go back to it just how you left it.
    10-02-2013 12:36 AM
  20. mm356's Avatar
    +1

    You learn this if you do Android development. If you want to "exit" an app completely (in most cases, unless a service is running), hit the BACK button. Only hit HOME button if you want to in a sense "suspend" the app so you can go back to it just how you left it.
    Interesting. So would hitting HOME instead of BACK also potentially cause additional background battery drain since apps were only suspended and not fully exited? I'll have to start getting in this new habit...
    10-02-2013 07:14 AM
  21. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    I agree with rearranging the actions for the toggles in the notification shade. Click to turn on/off, long press to quick access the particular setting. CM/AOKP/Slim do this.
    Allow rearranging of the Quick Toggles.
    Allow enable/disable of a power widget and quick toggles.
    Allow the ability to rearrange/edit soft keys and actions. Allow more long press options.

    Overall, still a good device. Taking cues from ROM developers would be nice.
    10-02-2013 09:34 AM
  22. JudH's Avatar
    Interesting. So would hitting HOME instead of BACK also potentially cause additional background battery drain since apps were only suspended and not fully exited? I'll have to start getting in this new habit...
    It all depends on the app. Hitting home leaves it in running mode and the app could do online updates or queries that would burn battery life--but most just kinda suspend and hang around. But it definitely impacts memory. When you exit via the back key the app knows you're leaving and can 1) clean up and totally terminate; 2) do a partial cleanup but stay active; 3) do nothing (same as you pressing home). In cases 2 & 3 you'll often see an actual "exit" command in the apps menu--some have to be force closed to get them to terminate. In case 1 the memory is freed up immediately. In case 2 the OS knows it can terminate the app and reclaim the memory if storage gets tight. But in case 3 including you pressing home the OS will not auto close the app if memory gets low. So best to always exit via backing out unless you *want* to return there--doing so lets the app/programmer decide how to exit and lets Android's memory reclaim logic work as intended.
    mm356 likes this.
    10-02-2013 10:22 AM
  23. garublador's Avatar
    For 2 they need to open up the always listening feature up to other apps. If you could access it from AutoVoice in Tasker you could make it work however you want. Considering they closed off the intent to send stuff straight to Google Now in a recent update (thus making the feature much less useful, IMO), I don't know how confident I am that this will happen.
    10-02-2013 10:26 AM
  24. ultravisitor's Avatar
    What do you guys think what needs to be in 4.3?
    Wait, which version of Android are you talking about? 4.3 or Kit Kat? 4.3 is still Jelly Bean. 4.4 is Kit Kat.

    If they're going to make big changes, I'd rather those be in 4.4 since 4.3 is already late for us.
    radgatt likes this.
    10-02-2013 11:17 AM
  25. Ry's Avatar
    4. Messaging. After reading/writing text and I hit the home button, it goes to home screen. If later I get a message from another person and either use active notifications, or the app itself to message back, it takes you directly back to the LAST person you messaged, not to the person who messaged you....so you have to hit the back button twice and tap the new message to view it. Now if you hit back twice to the home screen after you're done messaging, all is good. Actually 3 times if you count hitting back to get rid of the keyboard. Really annoying.

    If #4 isn't experienced by anyone, then maybe it's me and please post a fix...or slap me upside the head for having a bad dream or something....
    I just opened up the text app and went to a message/thread. I then hit the home button. I let the phone/screen go to sleep.

    Then I sent myself a text message from another number (and not the same number of the thread I previously had opened in the text app).

    When the Active Notification appeared, I dragged the message icon up and was taken directly to the new text message thread that I sent myself.

    Steps to reproduce:
    1. Open Text Message app.
    2. Select a thread.
    3. Press the home button.
    4. Let the phone screen go to sleep.
    5. Send a text message to your phone (from a number that is different than step 2).
    6. Open the message via Active Notification.
    10-02-2013 11:46 AM
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