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  1. JRDroid's Avatar
    I seem to recall Google sold off the Set top division
    You know, now that you mention it, I remember reading that too.
    11-12-2013 01:17 PM
  2. Saneless's Avatar
    Hopefully with the X2 it does better. Remember, the Galaxy S really didn't do that well, but the following year the S2 did very well.

    For starters, if they actually release the phone to everyone to start with it should do better. IMO having 16GB was a no sale, and for many people the customization is what they wanted. Now that they know they can deliver, the next one probably won't be an exclusive.
    11-12-2013 01:33 PM
  3. still1's Avatar
    I will buy you a beer for posting this article.
    guesswhat_567, Ry, Aquila and 2 others like this.
    11-12-2013 01:42 PM
  4. PDT816's Avatar
    Not understanding the fixation on sales figures for the Moto X. Apple and Samsung phones are made in dozens of factories for most carriers around the world. The Moto X is made in ONE factory in Ft Worth Texas and using about 33% of the factory floor. It's got 2,000 employees (maybe 50% of that involved in the actual assembly process) whose purpose is to make phones "on demand".

    How many phones do you they can make under the best circumstances?
    Why allow AT&T to have Moto Maker exclusivity for so long if you are worried about sales volume?
    Anybody see Motorola rushing to push out the wood backs, more colors, etc in a panicked attempt to generate additional sales?

    Moto X wasn't implemented to sell 3, 5 or 10 million units this year. The infrastructure that Google/Motorola put into place just isn't big enough. They couldn't make and ship that many if they wanted to.
    tonymhoffman likes this.
    11-12-2013 01:45 PM
  5. zobog's Avatar
    I don't really give a rats ***. As long as they keep making phones like this they have my money every two years. I doubt they will be going out of Business anytime soon.
    I do not think most folks understand what this phone can do. Once the word does get out and people understand what always listening really means..
    Its a game changer. But no one knows that yet. Even most techies don't get it yet but they will I think eventually.

    Posted via Android Central App
    11-12-2013 02:42 PM
  6. Ry's Avatar
    I'm not talking just from increased Android market share. I'm talking features Motorola developes making their way to the Android team, their set top box expertise going ot Android TV, Always Listening being used to improve Google's voice search, and things like that.
    They sold the set-top box business.
    11-12-2013 03:30 PM
  7. Ry's Avatar
    Thank you for this.

    Interesting points of view in this thread. The question I should have asked specifically is "is a 500K/month launch good enough for the Moto X as Motorola's halo/flagship phone?" given all of the restraints.

    Even though the Moto X has targeted basically North America only, I fully expect Motorola to significantly grow marketshare -

    "only 500,000 Moto Xs sold in third quarter"-comscore-sept-13.png

    My predictions for the next U.S. report -

    Apple 42% (propped up by the iPhone launch)
    Samsung 26% (Note 3 probably selling well, plus GS4 and it's variants)
    Motorola 8% (Moto X and DROID grows the share)
    LG 7% (G2 and maybe the Nexus 5 helps, but does the Nexus 5 fall under LG share?)
    HTC 6%
    Everyone else...
    11-12-2013 03:44 PM
  8. UJ95x's Avatar

    Predictions for the next U.S. report -

    Apple 42% (propped up by the iPhone launch)
    Samsung 26% (Note 3 probably selling well, plus GS4 and it's variants)
    Motorola 8% (Moto X and DROID grows the share)
    LG 7% (G2 and maybe the Nexus 5 helps, but does the Nexus 5 fall under LG share?)
    HTC 6%
    Everyone else...
    Are these your predictions or from an article/thread?

    Posted via Android Central App
    11-12-2013 03:48 PM
  9. Ry's Avatar
    Are these your predictions or from an article/thread?

    Posted via Android Central App
    Clarified my post.


    I don't really give a rats ***. As long as they keep making phones like this they have my money every two years. I doubt they will be going out of Business anytime soon.
    I do not think most folks understand what this phone can do. Once the word does get out and people understand what always listening really means..
    Its a game changer. But no one knows that yet. Even most techies don't get it yet but they will I think eventually.

    Posted via Android Central App
    Here's the thing - if Motorola continues to bleed money, they might not have a handset to release two years from now.
    11-12-2013 03:49 PM
  10. UJ95x's Avatar
    I don't really give a rats ***. As long as they keep making phones like this they have my money every two years. I doubt they will be going out of Business anytime soon.
    I do not think most folks understand what this phone can do. Once the word does get out and people understand what always listening really means..
    Its a game changer. But no one knows that yet. Even most techies don't get it yet but they will I think eventually.

    Posted via Android Central App
    They need to market it better. If the X2 has a better camera and bigger battery they definitely have my money next year
    11-12-2013 04:24 PM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    Moto benefits Google in another important way... Google Search. The touchless controls use Google Now to not only increase people's awareness of the potential of that app, but also using Google Now means using Google Search and has all of the benefits that come with scrape and aggregate to Google as if you did the search from the Web, + the anonymous behavioral patterning data that also helps improve their search results and expand their capabilities in the machine learning/neural networking fronts. How many people saw what the Moto X can do and started modifying their devices to make similar usage possible for their devices? Not a ton, probably not 1%... but every bit helps, right? That would a damned good reason to have Google Now be a central part of the Home Screen on a new device to see how direct integration encourages consumer participation. Google doesn't make a lot of decisions based solely on, "wouldn't it be nice...", but rather seems directionally tied to the data that they live in.
    11-12-2013 04:37 PM
  12. tx_tuff's Avatar
    Not understanding the fixation on sales figures for the Moto X. Apple and Samsung phones are made in dozens of factories for most carriers around the world. The Moto X is made in ONE factory in Ft Worth Texas and using about 33% of the factory floor. It's got 2,000 employees (maybe 50% of that involved in the actual assembly process) whose purpose is to make phones "on demand".

    How many phones do you they can make under the best circumstances?
    Why allow AT&T to have Moto Maker exclusivity for so long if you are worried about sales volume?
    Anybody see Motorola rushing to push out the wood backs, more colors, etc in a panicked attempt to generate additional sales?

    Moto X wasn't implemented to sell 3, 5 or 10 million units this year. The infrastructure that Google/Motorola put into place just isn't big enough. They couldn't make and ship that many if they wanted to.
    Was reading an article on this today and Motorola laid off 200 employees from the plant (basicly a whole assembly shift) and the jobs were expected to last into next year. That kind of proves it is not selling as good as Motorola expected it too.
    11-12-2013 04:40 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    Was reading an article on this today and Motorola laid off 200 employees from the plant (basicly a whole assembly shift) and the jobs were expected to last into next year. That kind of proves it is not selling as good as Motorola expected it too.
    Link please.
    jephanie and ap3604 like this.
    11-12-2013 04:43 PM
  14. Aquila's Avatar
    Another interesting point is that with the Moto X not priced like a Nexus, it's very easy for it to be a money maker. Lets say for example, they cost $200 to make and sell for $600 to keep numbers easy. If they had a total of $1,000,000,000 in sunk costs for this device (the plant, 500 mill advertising, etc), then obviously they'd need to sell 2.5 million units to break even. However much of the R&D budget and other sunk costs can be offset by the Droid line (you could develop the X8 for Droid and then just use it in the X, etc) and the TX plant can be separated because it's useful for future assembly operations.

    The BOM already does include some sunk costs (they line item an R&D amount based on a projected sales volume and include it, same thing with manufacturing costs, etc) and so assuming a profit that high isn't wholly unreasonable, especially given the strategy of selling through carriers... because carriers like upgrades, rather than of contract sales. In those cases, every time you gave your $99 to Verizon or AT&T, they paid the delta to Moto by the carrier, less the markup if any, from MSRP.

    It's quite possible that the X has a total sales goal of around 1 to 1.5 million by end of life to consider this a break even and successful product launch.
    Ry, ultravisitor and jephanie like this.
    11-12-2013 04:53 PM
  15. Vaas's Avatar
    I hope they drop the price little more

    I am wanting to jump to Android and the Moto X is want I want. The N5 price is great so hope the X drops little more. I can wait a month or 2 if needed, but ill be buying off contract so price is big factor.

    overall I do hope they do good as competition is always good and they built a very good phone.
    11-12-2013 04:56 PM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    Was reading an article on this today and Motorola laid off 200 employees from the plant (basicly a whole assembly shift) and the jobs were expected to last into next year. That kind of proves it is not selling as good as Motorola expected it too.
    I'd consider replacing, "That kind of proves..." with, "That could suggest to me that..." in order to make this a stronger point. Proof would be Moto releasing a statement that says, "The Moto X is not selling as well as we anticipated", and even then we'd have to translate between the statement and the context they're making it under, to keep a clear perspective on what their actual up front expectations were and what their modified expectations have become over time, etc.
    Pollster likes this.
    11-12-2013 04:58 PM
  17. tx_tuff's Avatar
    Link please.
    Took a minute but I found it again Is the Moto X the Most Disappointing Smartphone of 2013?

    I don't own a Moto X I have a LG G2 so I for one can't make a real comment on the phone itself. But the reason I read this is the headline caught my eye, my first thought was how can this be because everything I have seen by people who have the ohone freak love it! So I read it and found out it was more about sales than the phone itself.
    11-12-2013 05:06 PM
  18. Ry's Avatar
    Took a minute but I found it again Is the Moto X the Most Disappointing Smartphone of 2013?

    I don't own a Moto X I have a LG G2 so I for one can't make a real comment on the phone itself. But the reason I read this is the headline caught my eye, my first thought was how can this be because everything I have seen by people who have the ohone freak love it! So I read it and found out it was more about sales than the phone itself.
    Interesting. Seems this was missed.

    Fort Worth Motorola plant sheds workers - Dallas News | myFOXdfw.com
    "When they first hired everybody, it was a hiring frenzy. Some people quit jobs to go to this job. The governor came, he told us how we were a part of history," said Dee, an employee who didn't want her last name used.

    Dee estimates her and roughly 200 temporary employees are now without a job. She was told the ‘C shift' was being canceled. The jobs were supposed to last at least six months.
    11-12-2013 05:11 PM
  19. tx_tuff's Avatar
    Even more info than what I saw. So it looks like into less than 2 months of what should have been a 6 month job they let go of a whole shift of 200 people. That can't be good news. Hopefully now that you they have Moto Maker for all carriers sales will pick up.
    Ry likes this.
    11-12-2013 05:17 PM
  20. PDT816's Avatar
    Not really a Motorola plant either, the plant is owned and all the assembly line workers are Flextronics employees. I'm assuming the story of people being laid off is true, but it's not very good reporting and the figure is from the employee not management.
    11-12-2013 05:24 PM
  21. Ry's Avatar
    Another interesting point is that with the Moto X not priced like a Nexus, it's very easy for it to be a money maker. Lets say for example, they cost $200 to make and sell for $600 to keep numbers easy. If they had a total of $1,000,000,000 in sunk costs for this device (the plant, 500 mill advertising, etc), then obviously they'd need to sell 2.5 million units to break even. However much of the R&D budget and other sunk costs can be offset by the Droid line (you could develop the X8 for Droid and then just use it in the X, etc) and the TX plant can be separated because it's useful for future assembly operations.

    The BOM already does include some sunk costs (they line item an R&D amount based on a projected sales volume and include it, same thing with manufacturing costs, etc) and so assuming a profit that high isn't wholly unreasonable, especially given the strategy of selling through carriers... because carriers like upgrades, rather than of contract sales. In those cases, every time you gave your $99 to Verizon or AT&T, they paid the delta to Moto by the carrier, less the markup if any, from MSRP.

    It's quite possible that the X has a total sales goal of around 1 to 1.5 million by end of life to consider this a break even and successful product launch.
    I think as long as Motorola continues to lose money for Google, there will always be this cloud of Google "spring-cleaning" Motorola.
    11-12-2013 05:27 PM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    I think as long as Motorola continues to lose money for Google, there will always be this cloud of Google "spring-cleaning" Motorola.
    To outsiders, sure and that conclusion is not unreasonable. I just suspect that some Google execs must be laughing all the way to the bank at their relatively cheap investments for increasing visibility on Google Now (search).
    11-12-2013 05:32 PM
  23. newsman787's Avatar
    My guess is that if Samsung goes onto a massive commitment with its own operating system, then Google has Motorola there to really fill in on the Android front.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    11-12-2013 05:40 PM
  24. planoman's Avatar
    This is a bummer because the Moto X is a winner. They need to focus more on the touchless features etc instead of just the moto maker and customization in their ads. But when I think about it, I have only seen two in the wild so I know it is a well kept secret among those that know android.

    I hope business picks up for the sake of Motorola and my homie in Fort Worth! We do not need to see people getting laid off when they have a superb product!
    11-12-2013 07:49 PM
  25. UJ95x's Avatar
    This is a bummer because the Moto X is a winner. They need to focus more on the touchless features etc instead of just the moto maker and customization in their ads. But when I think about it i have only seen two in the wild so I know it is a well kept secret among those that know android.

    I hope business picks up for the sake of Motorola and my homie in Fort Worth! We do not need to see people getting laid off when they have a superb product!
    I haven't seen any in the wild
    Haven't seen any Nexus 5s. Only a handful on N4s and HTC Ones.
    iPhones, iPhones everywhere
    11-12-2013 07:59 PM
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