11-16-2013 09:18 PM
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  1. Paisley's Avatar
    I think that is wishful thinking.

    And I really think the Moto Maker is being wildly overhyped. Most people just go to a carrier store and get what they have. Why do you think there are so many Pebble Blue VZW GS3s around? Cause towards the end of its lifecycle all Verizon was stocking was Pebble Blue and people got it even if they went there looking for a different color. They didn't decide to get an HTC One or whatever, they still got the GS3 they went to the carrier store to buy.

    I do think the Maker is a nice idea, ultimately, but I think people are giving it way too much credit... Samsung doesn't need that to sell 500k phones, nor do they need to price their flagships are $99 on contract (like Nokia did with the L92x series) to sell them.

    That phone is selling poorly because the bad things about it aren't minor (like the camera) and the good things about it (like voice controls) simply aren't high up in the list of priorities for the average consumer. Sometimes it's important to get off the tech blogs and actually talk to real people (the ones you don't have a lot of influence over) to see what they thing about these things.

    Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.

    Most people don't buy off contract. The subsidy is what matters, and brand recognition.

    For those that do like to buy off-contract, there is very little reason to consider this phone over a Nexus 5, Voice Controls or not. Money talks, and the price disparity is too large given how much better the Nexus is in a number of ways.
    Well, the camera is fixed and the phone is not worse. And while there may be little reason for some to consider it, someone who wants a smaller phone, or a phone with advanced notifications or who knows what voiceless controls can do, there are very good reasons to consider the moto. But I think that’s been covered 100x over on this board.

    Then there is, like you said, the lack of name recognition, agree. It’s a pretty big leap of faith for a phone that a person knows they will keep for 2 years, to buy a phone that is being advertised as coming in colors.

    Then there is sheep-think. Later that day that i had posted it's like long and short lines in store I went into Ikea. There were 2 lines. 1 had 10 people on it and another had 2. I laughed and said to the cashier "i'll never understand that", she said, "it's always like that". And it's true. And honestly I’m not necessarily knocking sheep-think, most people do it so it’s not really saying anything bad about the person, it’s just human nature, people have other things on their mind.

    As for the voice controls, people see my voice controls they’re impressed. Now one guy in my office that has an HTC One is actually going to switch over to the moto. Another person is getting the droid mini b/c even though she’s self proclaimed old fashioned, she’s intrigued. But if they hadn't seen them in action it's hard to imagine how it works or benefits you. So their priorities might be what for LG2, big screen? I just refuse to believe that everyone wants as big a screen as they can find. The 'must-have-beast-phone' mentally doesn’t cover everyone

    And so many people like the smaller phone compared to the N5/LG2/Sammy but even they can't find their way over to really contemplate the phone. The moto x isn't being hyped in the store and it takes posters and name and all your friends having it for people to really look into a phone.

    I agree moto maker is overhyped, but it's how they're trying to get recognized, it's not working, i live in nyc, there are many many people here and i have yet to see one color moto x, actually, yet to see 1 any moto x, other than mine.
    11-14-2013 11:32 AM
  2. JungleLarry's Avatar
    And I really think the Moto Maker is being wildly overhyped. Most people just go to a carrier store and get what they have. Why do you think there are so many Pebble Blue VZW GS3s around? Cause towards the end of its lifecycle all Verizon was stocking was Pebble Blue and people got it even if they went there looking for a different color. They didn't decide to get an HTC One or whatever, they still got the GS3 they went to the carrier store to buy.
    When I was in Verizon last night buying a new SIM, Moto Maker was extensively promoted throughout the store. They had banners and posters up with an entire display of the different colored casing/accent options. They even had multiple customized Moto X's available for demo on the floor. It's not like black and white are the only options, nor are they the only ones being pushed to consumers. Your analogy isn't applicable.
    I do think the Maker is a nice idea, ultimately, but I think people are giving it way too much credit... Samsung doesn't need that to sell 500k phones, nor do they need to price their flagships are $99 on contract (like Nokia did with the L92x series) to sell them.
    Because Samsung has a more powerful brand than Motorola does. Just like Apple. That doesn't happen overnight.
    That phone is selling poorly because the bad things about it aren't minor (like the camera) and the good things about it (like voice controls) simply aren't high up in the list of priorities for the average consumer. Sometimes it's important to get off the tech blogs and actually talk to real people (the ones you don't have a lot of influence over) to see what they thing about these things.
    Well at least now we know you've never used a Moto X.
    Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.
    I'm sorry, but saying it's "worse" without any consideration tells a lot about your bias.
    Most people don't buy off contract. The subsidy is what matters, and brand recognition.
    And now it costs $50 on-contract at Verizon. Is that "worse?"
    For those that do like to buy off-contract, there is very little reason to consider this phone over a Nexus 5, Voice Controls or not. Money talks, and the price disparity is too large given how much better the Nexus is in a number of ways.
    Funny how you're quick to jump on the Moto X's camera faults (which have been fixed), but then mention the Nexus 5 as its superior....
    11-14-2013 11:47 AM
  3. DS1331's Avatar
    To be fair, third quarter is usually July/August/September. IIRC, none of the carriers sold the phone for two months in that third quarter.
    Exactly. Everybody calm down

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    11-14-2013 09:35 PM
  4. clankfu's Avatar
    Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.
    That's just brilliant deductive reasoning right there. You've got me convinced. I'm going to dump my Moto X and buy a GS4 tomorrow.
    11-15-2013 01:55 AM
  5. Ry's Avatar
    And I really think the Moto Maker is being wildly overhyped. Most people just go to a carrier store and get what they have. Why do you think there are so many Pebble Blue VZW GS3s around? Cause towards the end of its lifecycle all Verizon was stocking was Pebble Blue and people got it even if they went there looking for a different color. They didn't decide to get an HTC One or whatever, they still got the GS3 they went to the carrier store to buy.

    I do think the Maker is a nice idea, ultimately, but I think people are giving it way too much credit... Samsung doesn't need that to sell 500k phones, nor do they need to price their flagships are $99 on contract (like Nokia did with the L92x series) to sell them.
    With Nokia's colors plus the fact that Samsung has different colors for their flagships (two or three) and Apple put out a whole color line of iPhones, Moto Maker is far from overhyped. It's the trend. People want more than just black or white.

    That phone is selling poorly because the bad things about it aren't minor (like the camera) and the good things about it (like voice controls) simply aren't high up in the list of priorities for the average consumer. Sometimes it's important to get off the tech blogs and actually talk to real people (the ones you don't have a lot of influence over) to see what they thing about these things.

    Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.

    Most people don't buy off contract. The subsidy is what matters, and brand recognition.

    For those that do like to buy off-contract, there is very little reason to consider this phone over a Nexus 5, Voice Controls or not. Money talks, and the price disparity is too large given how much better the Nexus is in a number of ways.
    The camera is still better than the phones that potential customers would be coming from. And the Touchless Control features blow people's mind when I show them off.
    11-15-2013 11:02 AM
  6. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    1. Please observe what color Lumias you actually see out and about. Additionally, the Lumia 925/928 had quite limited color options. Samsung had colors but most GS handsets I see are are black, white, and blue. Apart from the candied 5C, Apple's flagship has limited color choices and the reason why people go Gaga over them is because they don't have OEM choice on iOS so their only way to differentiate from other users is to get the newest color (they'll be crying for another color in a year or so after Gold saturates their social circles).

    People want the brand/phone they're looking for. Many could care less about the color and will settle if the color they want isn't available. iOS, Galaxy S, and HTC One users are clear examples, and this can be seen even in Nokia's user base. They aren't buying a color, they're buying a Brand and a Specific device.

    2. Better than a One X, S3, G, G Pro, i4S, i5, L92x? Well, whatever floats your boat... Not from the Samples I've taken with the camera (I view them on a large calibrated display, not a smartphone screen, BTW).

    Touchless controls are as nice as Siri, S Voice, or Google Now. They aren't all that practical in real world use - no matter how hard some may force themselves to use them, most people just want to use their phones, not talk to them. Judging from my FB News feed, more people are apt to buy the 5S for the M7 sensor or a S4 for the Pedometer/S Health/IR Blaster, etc. than a Moto X for some Touchless Controls, and the cameras on those devices are clearly better than the Moto X - pictures and video also litter my news feed and I have friends record my practices all the time. I'd want them using the best camera phone available if they're going to do that...
    11-15-2013 11:22 AM
  7. Ry's Avatar
    1. Please observe what color Lumias you actually see out and about. Additionally, the Lumia 925/928 had quite limited color options. Samsung had colors but most GS handsets I see are are black, white, and blue. Apart from the candied 5C, Apple's flagship has limited color choices and the reason why people go Gaga over them is because they don't have OEM choice on iOS so their only way to differentiate from other users is to get the newest color (they'll be crying for another color in a year or so after Gold saturates their social circles).

    People want the brand/phone they're looking for. Many could care less about the color and will settle if the color they want isn't available. iOS, Galaxy S, and HTC One users are clear examples, and this can be seen even in Nokia's user base. They aren't buying a color, they're buying a Brand and a Specific device.
    Already more than just black and white.
    11-15-2013 11:33 AM
  8. Paisley's Avatar

    Touchless controls are as nice as Siri, S Voice, or Google Now. They aren't all that practical in real world use - no matter how hard some may force themselves to use them most people just want to use their phones, not talk to them.
    The color trend is silly but always ready is so useful for me. I use google now so much more and it's so convenient. Love it. Actually surprised how often I use it. But then again, i don't know one single person who uses their IR blaster or who uses their phone as a pedometer. But i *do* know a lot of people who just get the next version of their former phone. Sammy 2 to sammy 3, sammy 3 to sammy 4. And sammy's also the "other" phone. I'm leaving apple, what do i get, the most popular, sammy, that's what. And that's how people operate. Any of us who have ever worked in product know how it goes. What’s popular isn’t always the best and what's the best isn't always the most popular.
    11-15-2013 11:36 AM
  9. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Exactly.

    And they'll want another color, cause they want to differentiate. Things were different before the iphone made it to every other major carrier plus some prepaid. They lose that exclusive feeling.

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    11-15-2013 11:37 AM
  10. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    The color trend is silly but always ready is so useful for me. I use google now so much more and it's so convenient. Love it. Actually surprised how often I use it. But then again, i don't know one single person who uses their IR blaster or who uses their phone as a pedometer. But i *do* know a lot of people who just get the next version of their former phone. Sammy 2 to sammy 3, sammy 3 to sammy 4. And sammy's also the "other" phone. I'm leaving apple, what do i get, the most popular, sammy, that's what. And that's how people operate.
    You don't know anyone of the millions taking their phones for runs and posting results to social media?

    Okay, if you say so.

    We aren't talking about Google Now, which is on every phone, and iOS. We're talking about touchless Controls which are a Moto selling point right now.

    I use my phone as a roku remote. Apple users use iTunes/Apple TV remote. If I had an IR sensor, you bet I'd use it, heavily. And I'd use the pedometer, too.

    The amount of people who want to converse with a machine is a lot lower than those who use want a more capable one that allows them to further consolidate the number of devices they have to juggle.
    11-15-2013 11:42 AM
  11. Ry's Avatar
    You don't know anyone of the millions taking their phones for runs and posting results to social media?

    Okay, if you say so.

    We aren't talking about Google Now, which is on every phone, and iOS. We're talking about touchless Controls which are a Moto selling point right now.

    I use my phone as a roku remote. Apple users use iTunes/Apple TV remote. If I had an IR sensor, you bet I'd use it, heavily. And I'd use the pedometer, too.

    The amount of people who want to converse with a machine is a lot lower than those who use want a more capable one that allows them to further consolidate the number of devices they have to juggle.
    Most people I know are using Nike Fuelbands and Fitbits - not directly from their phones.
    11-15-2013 11:46 AM
  12. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Most people I know are using Nike Fuelbands and Fitbits - not directly from their phones.
    Because their phones don't have the hardware to make them largely redundant. You're missing the point. If you don't have the pedometer etc then you need the fuel band, yes...

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    11-15-2013 11:48 AM
  13. Paisley's Avatar
    You don't know anyone of the millions taking their phones for runs and posting results to social media?

    Okay, if you say so.

    We aren't talking about Google Now, which is on every phone, and iOS. We're talking about touchless Controls which are a Moto selling point right now.

    I use my phone as a roku remote. Apple users use iTunes/Apple TV remote. If I had an IR sensor, you bet I'd use it, heavily. And I'd use the pedometer, too.

    The amount of people who want to converse with a machine is a lot lower than those who use want a more capable one that allows them to further consolidate the number of devices they have to juggle.
    I want an IR blaster, but no, my friends on social media post that they got the new iPhone, but never heard anyone post about new functions on their phones. They're always on about politics, their boyfriends, their achievements, new jobs, new haircuts, but never seen anyone talk about their phone features, not even myself and i love my phone. But for your friends who are posting about their IR blasters, it's because that's what their new sammy has, they got the new sammy and they sound like they're very excited about it. that's great. : ). I too hope i get one someday, but the average person does not use it, and it's the average person who's going into the store and buying the most popular item. And the people excited about their fingerprint scanner were always going to buy that new iPhone.
    11-15-2013 11:56 AM
  14. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    I want an IR blaster, but no, my friends on social media post that they got the new iPhone, but never heard anyone post about new functions on their phones. They're always on about politics, their boyfriends, their achievements, new jobs, new haircuts, but never seen anyone talk about their phone features, not even myself and i love my phone. But for your friends who are posting about their IR blasters, it's because that's what their new sammy has, they got the new sammy and they sound like they're very excited about it. that's great. : ). I too hope i get one someday, but the average person does not use it, and it's the average person who's going into the store and buying the most popular item.
    Did you read my post, at all?

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    11-15-2013 11:56 AM
  15. Paisley's Avatar
    Did you read my post, at all?

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    Do you need me to break up the post for you? Oh, never mind, i see i'm the 2nd person you think if they disagree with you they've missed something. Dude, we get it, we disagree.
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    11-15-2013 12:02 PM
  16. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Thanks! It helps a little. Honestly I'll be curious to see how this thing performs when I'm not using it 12 hours a day straight. Always the way with new toys!
    The part about IR blasters had nothing to do with what I said people post on FB. Don't be mad. Just make sure you read what you're responding to.

    Changing a channel on your TV doesn't prompt you for a social update...

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    11-15-2013 12:03 PM
  17. Ry's Avatar
    Because their phones don't have the hardware to make them largely redundant. You're missing the point. If you don't have the pedometer etc then you need the fuel band, yes...

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    They're not upgrading to phones like the iPhone 5S for those features. They're using accessories.
    11-15-2013 12:06 PM
  18. clankfu's Avatar
    Touchless controls are as nice as Siri, S Voice, or Google Now. They aren't all that practical in real world use - no matter how hard some may force themselves to use them, most people just want to use their phones, not talk to them.
    Why would someone force themselves to use a feature. It's either useful or it's not. I use Touchless Control all the time while I'm driving.
    11-15-2013 12:06 PM
  19. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Phones have driving mode that works.

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    11-15-2013 12:06 PM
  20. JungleLarry's Avatar
    1. Please observe what color Lumias you actually see out and about. Additionally, the Lumia 925/928 had quite limited color options. Samsung had colors but most GS handsets I see are are black, white, and blue. Apart from the candied 5C, Apple's flagship has limited color choices and the reason why people go Gaga over them is because they don't have OEM choice on iOS so their only way to differentiate from other users is to get the newest color (they'll be crying for another color in a year or so after Gold saturates their social circles).

    People want the brand/phone they're looking for. Many could care less about the color and will settle if the color they want isn't available. iOS, Galaxy S, and HTC One users are clear examples, and this can be seen even in Nokia's user base. They aren't buying a color, they're buying a Brand and a Specific device.

    2. Better than a One X, S3, G, G Pro, i4S, i5, L92x? Well, whatever floats your boat... Not from the Samples I've taken with the camera (I view them on a large calibrated display, not a smartphone screen, BTW).

    Touchless controls are as nice as Siri, S Voice, or Google Now. They aren't all that practical in real world use - no matter how hard some may force themselves to use them, most people just want to use their phones, not talk to them. Judging from my FB News feed, more people are apt to buy the 5S for the M7 sensor or a S4 for the Pedometer/S Health/IR Blaster, etc. than a Moto X for some Touchless Controls, and the cameras on those devices are clearly better than the Moto X - pictures and video also litter my news feed and I have friends record my practices all the time. I'd want them using the best camera phone available if they're going to do that...
    You are hypocrisy personified.

    Clearly, people only care about the tech you care about.
    11-15-2013 12:07 PM
  21. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Do you know if what hypocrisy is?

    Or did you mean contradiction? I still disagree.

    What you accuse me of is no different than what I'm reading in this thread, i.e. Ry's responses.

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    11-15-2013 12:08 PM
  22. clankfu's Avatar
    Phones have driving mode that works.

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    Comparing driving mode to Touchless Control tells me you don't really know what you're talking about.
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    11-15-2013 12:11 PM
  23. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Comparing driving mode to Touchless Control tells me you don't really know what you're talking about.
    I'm not comparing anything. I simply said phones have a driving mode that works, which is enough for most people. It's that simple. I've never felt the need to have more than that and this phones sales performance says that many others feel similarly. 500k in launch month is terrible considering what other OEM are pushing, and with Motorola brand at the moment you can't really expect much better... Android is too saturated to expect most OEM to perform significantly better at this point.

    No need for you guys to be so defensive :-)

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    11-15-2013 12:11 PM
  24. clankfu's Avatar
    I'm not comparing anything. I simply said phones have a driving mode that works, which is enough for most people. It's that simple. I've never felt the need to have more than that and this phones sales performance says that many others feel similarly. 500k in launch month is terrible considering what other OEM are pushing.

    No need for you guys to be so defensive :-)

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    Sure it's enough for most people. So is a phone can only make calls and send texts. My point is that it's a feature that's very useful in everyday tasks and not something that people would force themselves to use like you said.

    I mean seriously...who does that? I previously had an S3 and I didn't force myself to use about 95% of the features because I had no use for them.
    11-15-2013 12:18 PM
  25. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Sure it's enough for most people. So is a phone can only make calls and send texts. My point is that it's a feature that's very useful in everyday tasks and not something that people would force themselves to use like you said.

    I mean seriously...who does that? I previously had an S3 and I didn't force myself to use about 95% of the features because I had no use for them.
    Lots of people do that.
    11-15-2013 12:24 PM
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