12-31-2013 06:03 PM
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  1. JungleLarry's Avatar
    Yeah, but that's part of the problem...you shouldn't have to get your friends to do anything.
    Cross-platform users also shouldn't have to be chained to the deficiencies of a broken system.
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    11-26-2013 01:18 PM
  2. Ry's Avatar
    Just like Apple to use something different from the rest of the world to send text/SMS messages. Just like Apples other software... a pain in the A**.. Then when someone wants to change services its a real brew haha to do something else. And dont get me started on iTunes
    Yet this is what a lot of people want Hangouts on Android to be. lol

    It's not nearly that simple. Most of the hatred for Apple is justified.

    sent from my Galaxy S3 rocking Cyanogenmod
    ..lol.
    11-26-2013 01:25 PM
  3. farb12's Avatar
    How are you not missing iMessages when on your Moto X? I've missed too many to count since last Thursday.
    I just turn iMessage off and power down the device before I pull my Sim card out.

    My entire family has iPhones and use iMessage. I've never had a problem getting texts from any of them when I'm using the Moto X.
    Ry likes this.
    11-26-2013 02:04 PM
  4. doitlarge's Avatar
    makes sense due to using the same sim..i am running the new sim that came with my moto x.

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    11-26-2013 02:09 PM
  5. Beyond Fire's Avatar
    Maybe you should have your friends make sure "send as SMS" option is on when iMessage is not available. It's under the settings menu for messages.


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    11-26-2013 02:12 PM
  6. farb12's Avatar
    Maybe you should have your friends make sure "send as SMS" option is on when iMessage is not available. It's under the settings menu for messages.

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    That only works if the iMessage delivery fails.
    11-26-2013 02:23 PM
  7. bobbob1016's Avatar
    I got my new custom Moto X last Thursday. Had already researched all the complaints and completed the fixes (given by all of you greats here on AC) in regards to switching from iOS to Android before activating my Moto X. iMessages is turned off, phone number and all related fruit products have been de-registered/removed from all related device managers. I am continuously missing texts due to most of my contacts owning fruit phones. This is both a personal and business issue and it CANNOT go on any longer. I'm at wits end and do not know what to do. Any help is greatly appreciated!
    Is this ridiculous? Yes. Can a call to Apple get it fixed in literally 5 minutes? Yes. They'll put your phone number (on any type of phone) into a system, then you'll get a text verification code to prove you're you, then you're good to go.
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    11-26-2013 02:24 PM
  8. doitlarge's Avatar
    point is...i shouldn't have to waste time doing any of this....i can't thank everyone enough for all your input! AC makes for a good forum home.

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    11-26-2013 02:38 PM
  9. bobbob1016's Avatar
    point is...i shouldn't have to waste time doing any of this....i can't thank everyone enough for all your input! AC makes for a good forum home.

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    Playing devil's advocate, Apple suggests turning off iMessage for troubleshooting. They basically need to know if you're doing it in general or just for troubleshooting. Yes, they could fix that, but as it stands now, the system needs to know explicitly that you aren't coming back. Otherwise, people who do it just for a little and stay on an iPhone would have more problems with iMessage. It is literally a 5 minute call (if the rep knows what they're doing).

    Should it be more transparent? Yes. Is this still BS with Apple making it painful to leave? Yes. Do I think a 5 minute call is outrageous and you shouldn't do it out of principle? No.
    11-26-2013 02:48 PM
  10. projectman's Avatar
    Have your friend delete Your contact from their phone.
    Have them re-add you as a completely new contact with your name and number only.
    Shouldn't have any issues after that.

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    The friend may need to delete existing conversations in addition to deleting/re-adding contact info. Sounds similar to a reverse problem in my household recently. For some reason the iPhone could not sent to a specific Android device (doubt if that had anything to do with it though). We deleted and re-added the "offending" contact info but problem still existed. Once we followed up by deleting the existing conversation it worked. Just sayin'. I might be able to get away with saying this since I do use iDevices... Apple can be irritating at times. This sounds like one of those times. Good luck!
    11-26-2013 03:33 PM
  11. torifile's Avatar
    It's not nearly that simple. Most of the hatred for Apple is justified.

    sent from my Galaxy S3 rocking Cyanogenmod
    Oh. Burn. Give some examples, please.
    Right - and Apple users don't blindly hate or constantly spout the Jobs BS quote about Android stealing Apple IP right?
    Do you know what a straw man argument is? This.

    I'm a huge Apple fan. Have been for years. I have only Apple computers at home and at work. All my employees get iPhones. I have owned Apple stock for over 10 years. You won't find a bigger Apple supporter. But I've never spouted any Jobs' quotes about Android. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good boogieman.
    Apple could fix this with a "disassociate my phone number" button. The fact that they don't is telling.

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    This I totally agree with.
    11-26-2013 03:46 PM
  12. paintdrinkingpete's Avatar
    Yet this is what a lot of people want Hangouts on Android to be. lol



    ..lol.
    Actually, SMS integration with Hangouts was done quite well in my opinion, at least conceptually (I do admit there are still some wrinkles to be ironed out with the app itself). Sure, with the current version of Hangout w/ SMS support, the 2 services (SMS and Hangouts messaging) are essentially 2 separate services being managed by 1 app, and it's not nearly as seamless as iMessage is...but that's not really what I would want in the first place.

    Hangouts may not be the best SMS app...yet, but when used for actual Hangouts messaging it works great. I love the fact that I can get my message on ALL my devices and desktop computer, group messaging works great, there's support for sending pics and even animated GIF files...and all of my friends and family can use it, even those with iPhones. The problem is, however, that simply not that many people use it. Yeah, most folks with gmail will be available when their browser is open, but most of my friends have never even opened the Hangouts app on their phone. I was really hoping that SMS integration would cause a lot more folks to use Hangouts, but it doesn't really accomplish that because it's not like you're forced to use the app for SMS if you don't want to (nor should you be...I'm just sayin')

    The other thing that I'd really like to have with the Hangouts app is the ability to view if my contacts are online when I go send them a message (as it does on the desktop client)...that would make it easier for me to say, "Oh, Dave is on Hangouts, I'll just shoot him a message there" instead of, "I don't even know if Dave uses Hangouts...better just send him a boring 'ol SMS text message"

    Long story short...what I really want... If I have someone's gmail address in my contacts, I want to be able to send them a Hangouts message and know they'll get it.
    11-26-2013 04:19 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    Actually, SMS integration with Hangouts was done quite well in my opinion, at least conceptually (I do admit there are still some wrinkles to be ironed out with the app itself). Sure, with the current version of Hangout w/ SMS support, the 2 services (SMS and Hangouts messaging) are essentially 2 separate services being managed by 1 app, and it's not nearly as seamless as iMessage is...but that's not really what I would want in the first place.

    Hangouts may not be the best SMS app...yet, but when used for actual Hangouts messaging it works great. I love the fact that I can get my message on ALL my devices and desktop computer, group messaging works great, there's support for sending pics and even animated GIF files...and all of my friends and family can use it, even those with iPhones. The problem is, however, that simply not that many people use it. Yeah, most folks with gmail will be available when their browser is open, but most of my friends have never even opened the Hangouts app on their phone. I was really hoping that SMS integration would cause a lot more folks to use Hangouts, but it doesn't really accomplish that because it's not like you're forced to use the app for SMS if you don't want to (nor should you be...I'm just sayin')

    The other thing that I'd really like to have with the Hangouts app is the ability to view if my contacts are online when I go send them a message (as it does on the desktop client)...that would make it easier for me to say, "Oh, Dave is on Hangouts, I'll just shoot him a message there" instead of, "I don't even know if Dave uses Hangouts...better just send him a boring 'ol SMS text message"

    Long story short...what I really want... If I have someone's gmail address in my contacts, I want to be able to send them a Hangouts message and know they'll get it.
    SMS and Hangouts messages not being integrated was one of the main complaints of the new SMS-enabled Hangouts. The argument is that Hangouts should know that I'm sending an SMS and IMing the same person and the threads should be merged.

    Now I'm totally fine keeping them separate - in fact I don't integrate my own SMS with Hangouts, just pointing out one of the major criticisms of Hangouts "2.0".
    11-26-2013 04:41 PM
  14. iphone5s's Avatar
    I'm at wits end and do not know what to do. Any help is greatly appreciated!
    iphone users must select the ability for ios to send messages as "SMS" if the other party is not an iphone. Off on the iphone is default. Maybe some of your contacts have not yet selected this "SMS" option in their iphone settings.

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    11-26-2013 08:29 PM
  15. johnnyfear's Avatar
    Yup, it's like trying to cancel an AOL membership. Anyone else go through that misery way back when?
    Yeah, but that's part of the problem...you shouldn't have to get your friends to do anything.
    I wasn't trying to justify it but provide info that could possibly help the OP, as inconvenient as it is to have to go through this process with your friends/contacts.
    11-26-2013 09:38 PM
  16. gabbott's Avatar
    SMS and Hangouts messages not being integrated was one of the main complaints of the new SMS-enabled Hangouts. The argument is that Hangouts should know that I'm sending an SMS and IMing the same person and the threads should be merged.
    When I first tried Hangouts 2.0 and finding out hangouts and SMS conversations weren't merged was a disappointment to me. But then I got to thinking a reason they don't do that (at least in it's current implementation). Since SMS is local to the phone and hangouts can sync to multiple devices, it might detract from the user experience in that when one switched to another device, part of their full conversation would be missing. Yet it would all be there when viewed on the phone. Might be confusing to some.

    Once they can get SMS syncing, then I can see them merging them into a single conversation.
    11-26-2013 09:56 PM
  17. rozroz's Avatar
    iphone users must select the ability for ios to send messages as "SMS" if the other party is not an iphone. Off on the iphone is default. Maybe some of your contacts have not yet selected this "SMS" option in their iphone settings.

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    this ^^^^^^^
    11-27-2013 05:36 AM
  18. paintdrinkingpete's Avatar
    SMS and Hangouts messages not being integrated was one of the main complaints of the new SMS-enabled Hangouts. The argument is that Hangouts should know that I'm sending an SMS and IMing the same person and the threads should be merged.

    Now I'm totally fine keeping them separate - in fact I don't integrate my own SMS with Hangouts, just pointing out one of the major criticisms of Hangouts "2.0".
    When I first tried Hangouts 2.0 and finding out hangouts and SMS conversations weren't merged was a disappointment to me. But then I got to thinking a reason they don't do that (at least in it's current implementation). Since SMS is local to the phone and hangouts can sync to multiple devices, it might detract from the user experience in that when one switched to another device, part of their full conversation would be missing. Yet it would all be there when viewed on the phone. Might be confusing to some.

    Once they can get SMS syncing, then I can see them merging them into a single conversation.
    That's my take on it as well. I didn't expect it to be exactly like iMessage, because Hangouts in and of itself is much different than iMessage. As I said, I don't mind the separation between different "types" of conversations, I just wish it was easier to tell which of my contacts are available for Hangouts messaging vs. SMS.

    I wasn't trying to justify it but provide info that could possibly help the OP, as inconvenient as it is to have to go through this process with your friends/contacts.
    I understand that, and any negativity in my comment certainly wasn't directed at you, but rather in the process itself.
    11-27-2013 08:14 AM
  19. rozroz's Avatar
    i gave up on hangouts ATM. the app still has some things that made it less comfortable than just the SMS app. (tiny annoying things).
    anyway, i only got around 2-3 people worth the "hangout" (99% have Iphones in my case), so, not thanks.
    11-27-2013 01:56 PM
  20. mynameis's Avatar
    So has anybody found out a legit way to fix this problem? I'm getting my X tomorrow and don't really want any issues. From what I hear I should go through iCloud on my computer and deactivate my number from iMessage from there. Is that right? Or am I missing something?
    12-30-2013 06:26 PM
  21. mhunter6378's Avatar
    So has anybody found out a legit way to fix this problem? I'm getting my X tomorrow and don't really want any issues. From what I hear I should go through iCloud on my computer and deactivate my number from iMessage from there. Is that right? Or am I missing something?
    Just be sure to turn off iMessage on the iPhone while it still has active cellular service. If you use any other iOS devices that you also have iMessage turned on and associated with your cell number be sure to check iMessage settings on them and unselect your cell number as an option on that device, this goes for Mac computers too if you use them. You can also unregister your iPhone from your Apple ID if you are not going to use it anymore but I only do that if I'm selling the device. I have switched back and forth many times and only use the first steps of turning off iMessage on my devices that use my cell number and it has always worked without issue. The real problems happen when people don't turn iMessage off before they activate their cell number on a non-apple phone.
    12-30-2013 06:40 PM
  22. mynameis's Avatar
    Just be sure to turn off iMessage on the iPhone while it still has active cellular service. If you use any other iOS devices that you also have iMessage turned on and associated with your cell number be sure to check iMessage settings on them and unselect your cell number as an option on that device, this goes for Mac computers too if you use them. You can also unregister your iPhone from your Apple ID if you are not going to use it anymore but I only do that if I'm selling the device. I have switched back and forth many times and only use the first steps of turning off iMessage on my devices that use my cell number and it has always worked without issue. The real problems happen when people don't turn iMessage off before they activate their cell number on a non-apple phone.
    Thank you. I will be sure to turn off iMessage on my iPhone before I activate my Moto X tomorrow. I'm extremely excited.
    12-30-2013 06:48 PM
  23. mhunter6378's Avatar
    Thank you. I will be sure to turn off iMessage on my iPhone before I activate my Moto X tomorrow. I'm extremely excited.
    Just to be sure, turn it off now and send a couple of texts to other iPhones. If you are on iOS 6 or iOS 7 with iMessage the text bubbles and send button are blue, without iMessage (standard SMS) they will be green. Make sure your sent and received are green and you are go to go.
    12-30-2013 06:57 PM
  24. mynameis's Avatar
    Just be sure to turn off iMessage on the iPhone while it still has active cellular service. If you use any other iOS devices that you also have iMessage turned on and associated with your cell number be sure to check iMessage settings on them and unselect your cell number as an option on that device, this goes for Mac computers too if you use them. You can also unregister your iPhone from your Apple ID if you are not going to use it anymore but I only do that if I'm selling the device. I have switched back and forth many times and only use the first steps of turning off iMessage on my devices that use my cell number and it has always worked without issue. The real problems happen when people don't turn iMessage off before they activate their cell number on a non-apple phone.
    Thank you. I will be sure to turn off iMessage on my iPhone before I activate my Moto X tomorrow. I'm extremely excited.
    12-30-2013 07:02 PM
  25. mynameis's Avatar
    Just to be sure, turn it off now and send a couple of texts to other iPhones. If you are on iOS 6 or iOS 7 with iMessage the text bubbles and send button are blue, without iMessage (standard SMS) they will be green. Make sure your sent and received are green and you are go to go.
    Yup, I know that with iMessage off, SMS's are green. The sent messages still stay a gray shade from my point if view, but I understand what you meant.
    12-30-2013 08:39 PM
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