12-28-2013 09:17 AM
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  1. Gamer_Radar's Avatar
    Dam imessage again causing problems and holding people's texts hostage

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    12-27-2013 12:16 PM
  2. tonymhoffman's Avatar
    Apple won't try and alleviate this.. The more headache they can cause converts the better chance they have of keeping people on apple.

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    12-27-2013 12:38 PM
  3. rxnelson's Avatar
    Apple won't try and alleviate this.. The more headache they can cause converts the better chance they have of keeping people on apple.

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    This. I think people that don't figure it out just think "android junk" and go back.


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    12-27-2013 02:37 PM
  4. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Yes, it is, but they have decentralized servers, so that 24 hours is somewhat valid. The only reason it isn't a big deal the other way (Android to iOS when you have Hangouts) is that there is Hangouts for iOS. Funny thing is Steve Jobs said he wanted to make iMessage and Facetime universal, as he knew otherwise no one would use them.
    This is pretty faulty logic, given the benefits of iMessage over SMS/MMS and even 3rd party messaging services via their Messaging App integration - also, the cross device interoperability of the service (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch - later Mac OSX). Apple users use it, there was no "risk" that they wouldn't use it. I'd venture to guess the sheer popularity of iMessage and FaceTime actually drove them to NOT release them as cross platform services, because they quickly became selling points for Apple devices as companies like Google struggled to defragment their communication services and update those apps (Hangouts Still lags behind iMessage + FaceTime in feature set). How long did it take Google to get out an app that does SMS and IM in the same app, while still not offering the type of integration that iMessage allows for? 2+ years, and the IM portion isn't even near feature parity with iMessage yet...

    Hangouts on iOS requires a Google+ Profile (unlike on Android where it's usable with just a Google Account) so most iOS users I know don't have it and won't have it anytime soon. Most of them either use Yahoo! (old accounts they've had forever) or simply just use the iCloud services integrated into the phone for everything - yes, Maps included, Lol). I have to use Facebook Chat to communicate with them.

    Luckily Apple does have the iCloud Control Panel, so I can participate in Shared Photo Streams and the like from my PC (or a Windows Tablet if I get one, they're cheap enough that I'm considering).
    12-27-2013 04:58 PM
  5. fernandez21's Avatar
    This is pretty faulty logic, given the benefits of iMessage over SMS/MMS and even 3rd party messaging services via their Messaging App integration - also, the cross device interoperability of the service (iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch - later Mac OSX). Apple users use it, there was no "risk" that they wouldn't use it. I'd venture to guess the sheer popularity of iMessage and FaceTime actually drove them to NOT release them as cross platform services, because they quickly became selling points for Apple devices as companies like Google struggled to defragment their communication services and update those apps (Hangouts Still lags behind iMessage + FaceTime in feature set). How long did it take Google to get out an app that does SMS and IM in the same app, while still not offering the type of integration that iMessage allows for? 2+ years, and the IM portion isn't even near feature parity with iMessage yet...

    Hangouts on iOS requires a Google+ Profile (unlike on Android where it's usable with just a Google Account) so most iOS users I know don't have it and won't have it anytime soon. Most of them either use Yahoo! (old accounts they've had forever) or simply just use the iCloud services integrated into the phone for everything - yes, Maps included, Lol). I have to use Facebook Chat to communicate with them.

    Luckily Apple does have the iCloud Control Panel, so I can participate in Shared Photo Streams and the like from my PC (or a Windows Tablet if I get one, they're cheap enough that I'm considering).
    Actually the reason they didn't become an open standard is because of a patent lawsuit against them regarding the protocols they use, so they couldn't legally open source them. Rene Richie had a big article about this at iMore.

    Now, whether or not opening it up is still in the cards I'm not sure.
    12-27-2013 05:25 PM
  6. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Actually the reason they didn't become an open standard is because of a patent lawsuit against them regarding the protocols they use, so they couldn't legally open source them. Rene Richie had a big article about this at iMore.

    Now, whether or not opening it up is still in the cards I'm not sure.
    That's way after release. They've already removed the stuff that infringed.

    Its not in the cards. The services are too popular and people buy idevices yo gain access to them. Giving them away would be stupid st this point. Apple is not BlackBerry.

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    12-27-2013 05:27 PM
  7. Tom Westrick's Avatar
    I still don't see what people have against SMS and MMS as far as communication goes. Everyone with a phone has access to them, whether they're on Android, iOS, Windows, BB10, or a feature phone. If the network is damaged (for example in the case of a natural emergency), an SMS has a much higher chance of making it through the network than a Hangout or iMessage would. The only negative is carrier want to charge an arm and leg (compared to how much it costs them) for a texting plan, but that's not a problem with the protocol itself and may be something the FCC could take care of.
    12-27-2013 05:48 PM
  8. UncleMike's Avatar
    Leave it to Apple to take some as universal as SMS and unnecessarily weave it into their ecosystem. People entering the Apple ecosystem reminds me of roaches entering the roach motel - they check in, but...
    12-27-2013 05:59 PM
  9. 21stNow's Avatar
    I still don't see what people have against SMS and MMS as far as communication goes. Everyone with a phone has access to them, whether they're on Android, iOS, Windows, BB10, or a feature phone. If the network is damaged (for example in the case of a natural emergency), an SMS has a much higher chance of making it through the network than a Hangout or iMessage would. The only negative is carrier want to charge an arm and leg (compared to how much it costs them) for a texting plan, but that's not a problem with the protocol itself and may be something the FCC could take care of.
    The carrier charges for text messaging is a big negative. I have unlimited text messaging on my postpaid T-Mobile line because it was only $5 to add it. Unlimited text messaging on AT&T is $20/individual and $30/family. That is a ripoff to me and why none of my AT&T lines have text messaging. I use either Google Voice or receive text messages on my T-Mobile phones.
    12-27-2013 07:08 PM
  10. captainkirkw's Avatar
    When I switched from iOS to Android, my wife stayed and I had to get her to send me a new text instead of continuing from an old text session and that helped.

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    12-28-2013 12:50 AM
  11. androidatic's Avatar
    My son got a Galaxy S4 for Christmas (coming from an iPhone 5) and we went over all of the instructions to shut down iMessage prior to activating the S4.

    He still had some trouble and called Apple on the 26th. They said give it 24-48 hours and everything should work out.

    That seems to be the case as he said all seems to be OK now.

    Sent via the X!
    12-28-2013 06:15 AM
  12. cwbcpa's Avatar
    When I switched from iOS to Android, my wife stayed and I had to get her to send me a new text instead of continuing from an old text session and that helped.

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    This is good advice. It's easy to do with the spouse. Not so easy with a client or someone you don't message with all the time. They pull up an old thread and just use it instead of starting new. In my experience everyone that I have had this issue with figures it out and sends as SMS, but that may not be true in every situation.

    Either way, this is good advice and will work if you can get the iPhone user to do it.
    12-28-2013 09:17 AM
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