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  1. Paisley's Avatar
    One of the problems with task killers is endless loops. You kill it and the task starts automagically again, kill, start,, kill start........ Chris

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    ah, yeah, makes sense. That i def. don't need, just somthing to kill the apps i've opened and just didn't close because i'd moved on to something else.
    01-15-2014 10:06 AM
  2. Paisley's Avatar
    Actually, yes it does. On Android 4+, "clearing" an app from what you call the recents screen, isn't the recents screen - it's the switch app screen and yes it does definitely kill the app.
    And wouldn’t a person who used an app often know whether they wanted to close it or not? What are they saving us from? Lol. It's just like closing excel when you're done and then re-opening it. Yeah, it takes time to open it, but I know that, I closed it. And excel on a computer takes a fair amount of seconds to open, 2-6 maybe. But to open an app from Android takes fractions of a second after you’ve closed it vs. leaving it open. I just don’t want them on my open apps.
    01-15-2014 10:20 AM
  3. ShoelerDroid's Avatar
    And on my Moto X, when I open up Play Music and play a song, swipe away the app in the recents app screen, the music is still playing. Therefore, not completely killed.
    I just did the same exact thing on mine (Developers Edition, 4.4) and it killed Play Music completely. It did the same on my Nexus 4 running 4.4 and back when it was on 4.3 too.
    01-15-2014 10:32 AM
  4. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Good question is why would Google put it in the quick start guide?

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    01-15-2014 10:34 AM
  5. ShoelerDroid's Avatar
    Do you have a source other than yourself? I mean like an article or FAQ somewhere that Google or a ROM developer said it's a bad idea to swipe away your recent apps? Not saying I don't believe you, but I'd be interested in reading what they have said about it.
    Here's a LifeHacker article on it:

    Android Task Killers Explained: What They Do and Why You Shouldn't Use Them

    Not sure if this guy is a good source but he speaks to the issue:

    HTG Explains: Why You Shouldn’t Use a Task Killer On Android

    DroidLife (with referenced from CM devs):

    http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/02...dont-need-one/
    01-15-2014 10:38 AM
  6. ShoelerDroid's Avatar
    Good question is why would Google put it in the quick start guide?

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    Here's a very good article I found on what happens inside when you swipe an app away:

    What Exactly Happens When You Swipe An Android App From the Recent Apps List?

    So - to summarize, it kills the foreground app task, its background task, and allows it to re-launch if it decides it wants to. This allows things like Gmail to keep getting mail. It is analogous to a "kill" vs a "kill -9" on Linux. One's a polite request, the other's a force stop. And on Android the force stop has the added benefit of not allowing the app to re-launch unless explicitly (you tap it) requested.
    01-15-2014 10:43 AM
  7. ShoelerDroid's Avatar
    And wouldn’t a person who used an app often know whether they wanted to close it or not? What are they saving us from? Lol. It's just like closing excel when you're done and then re-opening it. Yeah, it takes time to open it, but I know that, I closed it. And excel on a computer takes a fair amount of seconds to open, 2-6 maybe. But to open an app from Android takes fractions of a second after you’ve closed it vs. leaving it open. I just don’t want them on my open apps.
    But you don't know what's best for your computer is the thing - hence the confirmation bias. The built-in task killer in Android knows when there's memory pressure, and you want your RAM to actually be 100% FULL - not mostly empty! Then you've cached data (no need to hit flash) and the app (no need to startup with CPU) and it's just using RAM space which takes a minuscule amount amount of battery if any.
    01-15-2014 10:47 AM
  8. Paisley's Avatar
    But you don't know what's best for your computer is the thing - hence the confirmation bias. The built-in task killer in Android knows when there's memory pressure, and you want your RAM to actually be 100% FULL - not mostly empty! Then you've cached data (no need to hit flash) and the app (no need to startup with CPU) and it's just using RAM space which takes a minuscule amount amount of battery if any.
    no, not a task killer. Just like when i open a to-do list on my phone, G-tasks lets, say, or if I open a Team Lava game. Then I go to make a phone call. That recent app I just opened, instead of swiping it closed I left it open. I could have closed it, (swiped it away) but i just moved on. So then i end up with like 15 recent apps.

    I don't want a task killer, i want something so i can have a clear recent apps screen instead of swiping away 15 apps by hand.
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    01-15-2014 10:51 AM
  9. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    no, not a task killer. Just like when i open a to-do list on my phone, G-tasks lets, say, or if I open a Team Lava game. Then I go to make a phone call. That recent app I just opened, instead of swiping it closed I left it open. I could have closed it, (swiped it away) but i just moved on. So then i end up with like 15 recent apps.

    I don't want a task killer, i want something so i can have a clear recent apps screen instead of swiping away 15 apps by hand.
    But why? Why are you concerned with that? It's not killing your battery leaving those there. I NEVER swipe apps away.

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    01-15-2014 11:01 AM
  10. JoeNM84's Avatar
    Good reads. Even though they still don't exactly know everything that happens when you swipe away an app from recent apps. It closes it, but doesn't force stop it like a task killer would. So 2 different things correct? I mean if I have to sift through 12 different apps I've used recently then I might as well just look up the app in my app drawer. So I keep it to the ones I'm currently using, when I'm done with them or not doing anything I clear it out by hand so when I do start using my phone I don't have old recent apps sitting there in my way of going back and forth between apps for my current task. I still see no harm in swiping away all my recent apps, and what the harm of having a button that does it for me would do since it is not force stopping all those apps like a task killer.
    And I personally don't use a task killer app. I force stop bad apps myself and uninstall anything that has problems often that require a force stop.

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    But why? Why are you concerned with that? It's not killing your battery leaving those there. I NEVER swipe apps away.

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    Guess that means there is no purpose to recent apps, should just use the app drawer to find your apps since eventually most of them will be in your recent apps anyways.
    01-15-2014 11:03 AM
  11. Paisley's Avatar
    But why? Why are you concerned with that? It's not killing your battery leaving those there. I NEVER swipe apps away.

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    Because I actually *use* my recent apps screen, and when there’s 20 windows open it’s inconvenient to me. Apps thing is supposed to be for multi tasking. Lol. Not very good, but it’s sorta the best I can do for now. It’s faster to regrab it from that screen than to go through my apps button and to scroll through my apps and go back to the app I want to open if i say, answer a phone call, or look up something while the person is on the phone, or go back to a game, or whatever. Then when i'm done i go to recent apps to grab the thing i want to go back to instead of scrolling through 6 pages of apps.
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    01-15-2014 11:06 AM
  12. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Good reads. Even though they still don't exactly know everything that happens when you swipe away an app from recent apps. It closes it, but doesn't force stop it like a task killer would. So 2 different things correct? I mean if I have to sift through 12 different apps I've used recently then I might as well just look up the app in my app drawer. So I keep it to the ones I'm currently using, when I'm done with them or not doing anything I clear it out by hand so when I do start using my phone I don't have old recent apps sitting there in my way of going back and forth between apps for my current task. I still see no harm in swiping away all my recent apps, and what the harm of having a button that does it for me would do since it is not force stopping all those apps like a task killer.
    And I personally don't use a task killer app. I force stop bad apps myself and uninstall anything that has problems often that require a force stop.

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    Guess that means there is no purpose to recent apps, should just use the app drawer to find your apps since eventually most of them will be in your recent apps anyways.
    In your example I'm confused as to how older apps get in the way. Wouldn't the most recently used apps always be the bottom of the list, which would make them easiest to access? So say you need to use two apps. You own them. They are now your two most recent apps. How is anything in the way?

    If it's just "that's what I like to do" then cool. But it's not a necessity so I'm not sure I'd ever expect a button for this from Google.


    And yes, most of the time I go to my app drawer just because I know where the app is already. It doesn't make recent apps useless. I still use it, just not as much as the drawer.

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    01-15-2014 11:11 AM
  13. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Because I actually *use* my recent apps screen, and when theres 20 windows open its inconvenient to me. Apps thing is supposed to be for multi tasking. Lol. Not very good, but its sorta the best I can do for now. Its faster to regrab it from that screen than to go through my apps button and to scroll through my apps and go back to the app I want to open if i say, answer a phone call, or look up something while the person is on the phone, or go back to a game, or whatever. Then when i'm done i go to recent apps to grab the thing i want to go back to instead of scrolling through 6 pages of apps.
    If there's twenty windows open that means you use twenty apps. I get that they get in the way sometimes, but it sounds like it's doing exactly what it's designed to do. Not trying to argue really.

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    01-15-2014 11:12 AM
  14. Paisley's Avatar
    If there's twenty windows open that means you use twenty apps. I get that they get in the way sometimes, but it sounds like it's doing exactly what it's designed to do. Not trying to argue really.

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    For me it's like having 20 programs open at the bottom of your screen. or 20 tabs open on my firefox, even if i only opened one tab for one thing and won't be using it again, that's like 1/2 of my 20. When i just have 2 or 3 recent apps in my "recent apps" it's easier.
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    01-15-2014 11:20 AM
  15. JoeNM84's Avatar
    Wouldn't the most recently used apps always be the bottom of the list, which would make them easiest to access? So say you need to use two apps. You own them. They are now your two most recent apps. How is anything in the way?
    True. I actually wish the most recent was at the top because that is where my eyes naturally look first and probably why it does on occasion make me have to look through them. Besides that though, I don't swipe apps away just to keep memory clear or save battery or something like that. Habit and don't like seeing apps I'm not using there, maybe a little OCD. My point is that this isn't detrimental to your phone or the apps since swiping them away/closed isn't the same as force stopping them, if it was then Google would probably warn us about it when doing so. A simple app you could download to enable the swipe all away button would be nice, so nobody HAS to use it, but has to seek it out.
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    01-15-2014 11:23 AM
  16. Paisley's Avatar
    True. I actually wish the most recent was at the top because that is where my eyes naturally look first and probably why it does on occasion make me have to look through them. Besides that though, I don't swipe apps away just to keep memory clear or save battery or something like that. Habit and don't like seeing apps I'm not using there, maybe a little OCD. My point is that this isn't detrimental to your phone or the apps since swiping them away/closed isn't the same as force stopping them, if it was then Google would probably warn us about it when doing so. A simple app you could download to enable the swipe all away button would be nice, so nobody HAS to use it, but has to seek it out.
    I scroll too. Often to see what i was working on/doing to see if i want to go back to it. but then i just give up and just swipe swipe swipe, because sorting through 20 is very inconveninent. So if it's clean, then i can look through the 5, then clean, then again i might have 2 or 3.
    01-15-2014 11:25 AM
  17. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I found this:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....com.artefatos

    Is that what you guys are looking for? Or similar? Doesn't appear to be a task killer, but I didn't try it personally.

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    01-15-2014 11:27 AM
  18. JoeNM84's Avatar
    More like what Golfdriver97 had. The 3 little bars on the recent apps screen. I had this on my GNex running a custom ROM, assumed it is included in a lot of ROMs and commonly seen. But maybe not? I'm guessing Google would have to release something to get it into a unrooted device though.
    01-15-2014 11:36 AM
  19. Paisley's Avatar
    I found this:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....com.artefatos

    Is that what you guys are looking for? Or similar? Doesn't appear to be a task killer, but I didn't try it personally.

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    I'll give it a go, thanks!

    More like what Golfdriver97 had. The 3 little bars on the recent apps screen. I had this on my GNex running a custom ROM, assumed it is included in a lot of ROMs and commonly seen. But maybe not? I'm guessing Google would have to release something to get it into a unrooted device though.
    yeah. Google i guess would have to put it in there. Makes no sense for them not to. . I don't get some of things things they do. Or don’t/haven’t rather. Having me sort through 28 pages of widgets is...not cool. lol. I really look forward to Android 8.6, cuz some days I feel like I’m on whatever came before windows 98. Lol, and grrrr.
    01-15-2014 11:40 AM
  20. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    If you want to kill apps after you're done with them (I know you said you didn't want to :-) you can select "don't keep apps" (or somesuch) in Settings/Developer Options.

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    01-15-2014 12:17 PM
  21. snoking's Avatar
    I'll give it a go, thanks!



    yeah. Google i guess would have to put it in there. Makes no sense for them not to. . I don't get some of things things they do. Or dont/havent rather. Having me sort through 28 pages of widgets is...not cool. lol. I really look forward to Android 8.6, cuz some days I feel like Im on whatever came before windows 98. Lol, and grrrr.
    DOS? Ha! Ha! Chris

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    01-15-2014 02:35 PM
  22. Paisley's Avatar
    DOS? Ha! Ha! Chris

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    . I actually looked it up right after i posted cuz i couldn't remember. Ah yes, Windows 95. lol.
    01-15-2014 03:19 PM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    Killing apps just to kill them, etc, is definitely not good unless they're misbehaving. Android does manage this fairly effectively on an as needed basis. Removing things from your recent apps by swiping them should not adversely effect performance, and it does not act as a "force close" to swipe them away.

    Force closing apps is what is bad, not closing apps. Realistically, unless you're troubleshooting a specific problem, there isn't much of a need to micromanage (or manually manage at all) your running applications.

    That is entirely separate from the recent tasks interface, for which there are apps and fixes as mentioned for those that modify their devices. The way I get around this is by filling my dock bar with 4 folders that contain almost everything that I use my device for, so going to the app drawer and the recent apps button is minimized by just knowing which folder the app I want is in.
    01-16-2014 07:27 AM
  24. westiewanderer's Avatar
    what rom are you running here if you dont mind me asking?

    Like in the lower left? I had to use Gravity Box and Xposed Framework.

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    01-16-2014 08:07 AM
  25. garublador's Avatar
    That is entirely separate from the recent tasks interface, for which there are apps and fixes as mentioned for those that modify their devices. The way I get around this is by filling my dock bar with 4 folders that contain almost everything that I use my device for, so going to the app drawer and the recent apps button is minimized by just knowing which folder the app I want is in.
    I was going to suggest something similar. Perhaps finding a better way to organize your home screens will make this whole issue moot.
    01-16-2014 08:36 AM
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