02-17-2014 07:34 PM
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  1. Cozume's Avatar
    Lets hope they can. If nothing else, use a sony sensor or something. I mean it seems every other OEM can get a good camera, not sure why moto struggles so much.
    I am sure there are politics within the organization and Google should have focused (pun intended) on correcting that area of deficiency. I am willing to bet that Lenovo will address the camera issues. That would be huge because it is really holding Motorola back.

    I place more of a priority on phone capabilities than I do on camera, but I am in a business where people still actually talk to each other on the phone, lol! A lot of younger people don't unless forced to.
    02-13-2014 08:22 PM
  2. oldDummy's Avatar
    One of Moto's strengths:

    Moto X tops LTE network connectivity test.
    Trashes the competition.
    [Smartphone D in this graph.]







    Google's Moto X tops LTE network connectivity test - FierceWirelessTech
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    02-13-2014 08:51 PM
  3. Cozume's Avatar
    One of Moto's strengths:

    Moto X tops LTE network connectivity test.
    Trashes the competition.
    I tested the Moto X side-by-side with the most speced-out device on Verizon, the GNote3, and it crushed the GNote3 where the signal was poor. Where the signal was good, all phones performed well, even my GNex!

    I kicked the GNote3 to the curb, although I was bedazzled by that gorgeous screen.
    02-13-2014 09:38 PM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    Motorola didn't throw in all the latest hardware because it didn't have to. More affordable hardware is perfectly capable of giving a grade A experience now. Instead, Motorola focused on providing an A+ software experience and, due to the less expensive components, has been able to drop the price to where people will actually be willing to buy it off contract.
    I'd like to clarify this statement, in that they did choose a slightly less expensive screen but otherwise all of the components are very equivalent to other same period flagships. The processor was one of the most expensive used in 2013, most differences were +- a few bucks, but total BOM cost was still above the iPhone, right on par with the Samsung Galaxy S4, etc. Manufacturing and assembly was more expensive and more complicated (location and options), so the price point they adopted had little to do with margin on a per device basis being potentially less, it's simply a sacrifice in profitability for brand promotion, and other considerations, etc. When we're talking about a BOM that's $10-15 different per device, a MSRP that's $400 different is not explainable by the difference in the BOM, and doubly so for the difference between the X and the iPhone 5s where the X costs more to create, yet is approximately half the price for equivalent options.
    02-14-2014 02:07 AM
  5. oldDummy's Avatar
    I tested the Moto X side-by-side with the most speced-out device on Verizon, the GNote3, and it crushed the GNote3 where the signal was poor. Where the signal was good, all phones performed well, even my GNex!

    I kicked the GNote3 to the curb, although I was bedazzled by that gorgeous screen.
    As these handheld devices evolve one still has to remember that a major function is as a phone.
    It's not hard to forget this while utilizing the many aspects we have grown to need/admire.
    Many people enjoy their devices as a desktop/laptop substitute; and why not?
    My belief is that this will only grow with time.
    Moto's attention to shape/size optimization allows for the X to be tweaked in upcoming iterations while maintaining the current general footprint.
    New functions, personal/group needs solutions can be added until a new paradigm is developed
    Right now the Moto X is in a good position to thrive with the right leadership.
    On this we shall see.
    Meanwhile we get to enjoy a well made device with great innovative features.
    We did good.
    02-14-2014 06:06 AM
  6. Cozume's Avatar
    As these handheld devices evolve one still has to remember that a major function is as a phone.
    I still use mine as a phone, but more and more younger people hardly talk on the phone at all. I have younger relatives who barely use 50 minutes in a month.

    They annoy the hell out of me because they want everything to go by text. I cut them off after a few texts and tell them if they need me they need to call because the texting is annoying and time consuming. They tell me they feel the same way about talking on the phone.


    Many people enjoy their devices as a desktop/laptop substitute; and why not?
    My belief is that this will only grow with time.
    Agreed, which is why I hold onto my unlimited data plan with dear life.
    02-14-2014 07:39 AM
  7. Aquila's Avatar
    I still use mine as a phone, but more and more younger people hardly talk on the phone at all. I have younger relatives who barely use 50 minutes in a month.
    I've used 104 minutes total in the last 3 months, 71 of which were in the doesn't count towards the minute allotment category. As much as I don't use the phone feature very much, averaging slightly more than 60 seconds per day and it's silly that I'm paying for 700 minutes (minimum on the plan we got whenever we signed up) for me to use 11 billable minutes a month, there are still those approximately 2 minutes (average) per day where the device HAS to be a phone and it's crucial that it work and work well.
    02-14-2014 08:00 AM
  8. the tall guy's Avatar
    I'm from the UK and haven't had the opportunity to play about with a Moto X yet, I know its on sale here, but I plan on visiting Las Vegas in a few weeks, is there any stores that sell the phone contract free? also the UK only has the black and white version for sale, can you buy different colours in store in the States or can you only order them online?
    02-14-2014 08:44 AM
  9. natehoy's Avatar
    Lets hope they can. If nothing else, use a sony sensor or something. I mean it seems every other OEM can get a good camera, not sure why moto struggles so much.
    I don't really think there's anything wrong with the hardware on the camera. With a little work, I've been able to take some very impressive pictures, and with third-party apps it's a pretty capable little camera. It's just that the software is pretty poor, and they've made the stock software so incredibly convenient to use ("twist and shoot").

    Supposedly it has been greatly improved in 4.4.2 - I'm hoping so.
    02-14-2014 08:52 AM
  10. Cozume's Avatar
    I'm from the UK and haven't had the opportunity to play about with a Moto X yet, I know its on sale here, but I plan on visiting Las Vegas in a few weeks, is there any stores that sell the phone contract free?
    You can buy a no contract iPhone directly from an Apple store, but I have never seen a store that sells a Moto X without a contract except the carriers will if you are a customer of theirs. But you would want the GSM unlocked model which is only sold by Motorola as far as I know.

    You can play with them in the corporate carrier stores if you just want to check them out.


    also the UK only has the black and white version for sale, can you buy different colours in store in the States or can you only order them online?
    The customized phones are made to order in Texas. They ship pretty quickly so depending on how long you are staying, you could get one shipped to your hotel. I would order the day before you leave for Las Vegas. I have had things shipped to me at hotels before. You just let the front desk know you are expecting a package and they hold it for you. The only issue may be if you have an international credit card. I don't know if Motorola would accept it.

    Are you sure the GSM unlocked Moto X has the bands for 4G LTE where you live? These are the specs for the GSM unlocked Moto X developer edition, but it is the same as Moto Maker GSM unlocked phone.

    Networks
    GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE

    2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
    850/900/1800/1900 MHz

    3G UMTS bands
    850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)

    4G LTE bands
    700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)


    Moto X Developer Edition - A Google Company
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    02-14-2014 09:08 AM
  11. the tall guy's Avatar
    You can buy a no contract iPhone directly from an Apple store, but I have never seen a store that sells a Moto X without a contract except the carriers will if you are a customer of theirs. But you would want the GSM unlocked model which is only sold by Motorola as far as I know.

    You can play with them in the corporate carrier stores if you just want to check them out.


    The customized phones are made to order in Texas. They ship pretty quickly so depending on how long you are staying, you could get one shipped to your hotel. I would order the day before you leave for Las Vegas. I have had things shipped to me at hotels before. You just let the front desk know you are expecting a package and they hold it for you. The only issue may be if you have an international credit card. I don't know if Motorola would accept it.

    Are you sure the GSM unlocked Moto X has the bands for 4G LTE where you live? These are the specs for the GSM unlocked Moto X developer edition, but it is the same as Moto Maker GSM unlocked phone.

    Networks
    GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE

    2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
    850/900/1800/1900 MHz

    3G UMTS bands
    850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)

    4G LTE bands
    700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)


    Moto X Developer Edition - A Google Company
    Thanks for the above, I'll look into the bands for 4g LTE. I own a Nexus 5 and love it, but I want to see what I'm missing with the Moto X
    02-14-2014 09:18 AM
  12. Cozume's Avatar
    Thanks for the above, I'll look into the bands for 4g LTE. I own a Nexus 5 and love it, but I want to see what I'm missing with the Moto X
    Touchless controls, motorola assist and active notifications! The ergonomics are nice, too.
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    02-14-2014 09:21 AM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    Can someone ask Google whatever happened to the zero shutter lag feature in ICS?
    Did they advertise that as a Galaxy Nexus feature or an Ice Cream Sandwich feature?
    02-14-2014 12:11 PM
  14. someguy01234's Avatar
    Did they advertise that as a Galaxy Nexus feature or an Ice Cream Sandwich feature?
    I think it was on the Galaxy Nexus. Anyway, the last two Nexus have horrible shutter speed.
    02-14-2014 12:51 PM
  15. JRDroid's Avatar
    If only they would have focused a little more on the camera department. Then again moto has always sucked in the camera department.
    This is my one and only complaint about the Moto X.
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    02-14-2014 01:51 PM
  16. kolyan2k's Avatar
    I loved my GNex except for the sucky radios and crap battery life.
    Well it also had the worst screen on any phone I ever used
    02-14-2014 07:53 PM
  17. kolyan2k's Avatar
    I switched to N5. I just couldn't take the [Inappropriate Language Removed by Moderator] camera on MX, plus for me N5 clearly has a much better screen.... Not that screen on MX is bad or anything
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    02-14-2014 07:59 PM
  18. Cozume's Avatar
    Well it also had the worst screen on any phone I ever used
    Ah, I loved my GNex screen in all of its oversaturated AMOLED goodness!
    02-14-2014 08:09 PM
  19. kolyan2k's Avatar
    Ah, I loved my GNex screen in all of its oversaturated AMOLED goodness!
    Lol, it looked like an old news papers
    02-14-2014 08:58 PM
  20. someguy01234's Avatar
    Ah, I loved my GNex screen in all of its oversaturated AMOLED goodness!
    I've owned 4 GNex before and just bought another one. My first one was imported before it become available for $399 in the Playstore. That one have great screen and no issues, all the subsequence ones I owned are Playstore version they all had crappy screens and heating issues. You basically have to be lucky to get a decent AMOLED screen, but I'm guessing Samsung is better at quality control now. The Moto X screen looks like it have a lot better quality control, except for the scratch on the display that was there when I received it.

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    02-14-2014 09:02 PM
  21. Cozume's Avatar
    Lol, it looked like an old news papers
    just the opposite for me - it was and still is incredibly vibrant. The screens do degrade with time, though.
    02-14-2014 09:29 PM
  22. Cozume's Avatar
    You basically have to be lucky to get a decent AMOLED screen, but I'm guessing Samsung is better at quality control now.
    some of that is the nature of AMOLED and some is QA on Samsung's part.
    02-14-2014 09:31 PM
  23. Hoff Woohoo's Avatar
    I don't know about legendary but I think it'll reach cult status. In a couple of years everything will be head and shoulders above the X but I imagine folks will remember it fondly. The Palm pre was an awesomely mediocre device during it's run but it still has people talking about it!
    02-14-2014 11:56 PM
  24. Cozume's Avatar
    I don't know about legendary but I think it'll reach cult status. In a couple of years everything will be head and shoulders above the X but I imagine folks will remember it fondly. The Palm pre was an awesomely mediocre device during it's run but it still has people talking about it!
    Some of us are nostalgic about every device we have ever held to our ear, lol! I hated the crap radios on my GNex when it was my phone. Now I hold it lovingly and tell it not to worry, mommy still loves you even though the Moto X is her daily driver each night before I go to bed. Crazy!
    02-15-2014 12:19 AM
  25. kolyan2k's Avatar
    I've owned 4 GNex before and just bought another one. My first one was imported before it become available for $399 in the Playstore. That one have great screen and no issues, all the subsequence ones I owned are Playstore version they all had crappy screens and heating issues. You basically have to be lucky to get a decent AMOLED screen, but I'm guessing Samsung is better at quality control now. The Moto X screen looks like it have a lot better quality control, except for the scratch on the display that was there when I received it.

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    Have to give Samsung some credit, it was 1st HD AMOLED display. Its also a nature of AMOLED technology. MX has same issues as Gnex had, but they are not really that visible, S4 screen was excellent on the other hand.

    I just traded in my broken Gnex towards N5.....had a good almost 3 year run until charging port broke
    02-15-2014 09:21 AM
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