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  1. Evilnut's Avatar
    Nexus is the way to go and you can get it thru all the major carriers
    Um, no. Not on Verizon. I would say its a major carrier.

    Posted via Android Central App from a beautiful Ebony backed Moto X or the amazing Nexus 10
    09-20-2014 07:31 PM
  2. stanleywinthrop's Avatar
    I think you should take a look at Lenovo's history in North America. 10(approx) years ago, they had no business here, then bought the pc division of IBM and have just recently become the #1 seller/maker of pc's in North America, and the world. The PC division of IBM was suffering and Lenovo turned it around very quickly. They will do the same with Motorola. Moto has the brand recognition in cellular and Lenovo has the cash and innovation.

    Lenovo is already the world's #4 smartphone manufacturer and they will take the Moto stuff and jam it into their China market, which is the single largest smartphone market in the world. My guess is they will also start selling cellular tablets and laptops via US carriers at some point soon and in 5 years will have a significant share of the US cellular device market - giving them that status with the big carriers in the US. They are in it long term. It will only be good news going forward for Motorola.

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    Lenovo might very well make Motorola a power in China. But that does nothing for us in the US. Lenovo is too smart a company to lose money in the US, not for long anyway. This is doubly true if they are making money overseas: why make money in China or India just to loose it in the US?

    Lenovo has no relationship with US carriers, no bargaining power. It will be essentially starting miles behind apple and Samsung in the US market with no real hope of catching up.

    Motomaker was started, in part, to wrest control from the carriers. That side of the experiment has failed. That's too bad, but now if Motorola wants meaningful market share it's going to have to get in stores.

    The majority of the US buying public wants to go to a brick and mortar store, touch it, feel it, and take it home.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    09-20-2014 07:39 PM
  3. delrey1900's Avatar
    If I was a Sprint customer right now, I would be ticked too. However, I wouldn't put the blame solely on Motorola. It's been confirmed that it will be available on US Cellular which is another CDMA carrier. So, I think there is more to the story then what's being told.
    09-20-2014 07:46 PM
  4. kjjb0204's Avatar
    Lenovo might very well make Motorola a power in China. But that does nothing for us in the US. Lenovo is too smart a company to lose money in the US, not for long anyway. This is doubly true if they are making money overseas: why make money in China or India just to loose it in the US?

    Lenovo has no relationship with US carriers, no bargaining power. It will be essentially starting miles behind apple and Samsung in the US market with no real hope of catching up.

    Motomaker was started, in part, to wrest control from the carriers. That side of the experiment has failed. That's too bad, but now if Motorola wants meaningful market share it's going to have to get in stores.

    The majority of the US buying public wants to go to a brick and mortar store, touch it, feel it, and take it home.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    What I meant was Lenovo had no pc presence in the US back then, but they are now a powerhouse.

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    09-20-2014 07:51 PM
  5. mttmks's Avatar
    Part of the reason why Motorola has a small presence ad-wise is because it costs a lot of money to advertise. They don't have the same money that Samsung and Apple have. The best thing I've seen from Motorola is their displays with the MotoMaker backs and accents. People spend a lot of time admiring the backs and even design their own, but because they can't get it that day, they buy something else.

    It doesn't help that every time I go into a cell store, the salesmen are pushing people to the highest specs rather than what they actually need.
    09-20-2014 10:37 PM
  6. thatguitarguy's Avatar
    He's on his way out.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    That doesn't mean that he doesn't have anything to say.
    09-20-2014 10:57 PM
  7. isdaako's Avatar
    I'm not sure how anyone would know what the marketing strategy of Lenovo for as yet un-built devices is. I can not believe that they would purchase Motorola with the intent of abandoning it.
    cgardnervt likes this.
    09-21-2014 07:20 AM
  8. cgardnervt's Avatar
    I'm not sure how anyone would know what the marketing strategy of Lenovo for as yet un-built devices is. I can not believe that they would purchase Motorola with the intent of abandoning it.
    I agree with you 100% here but I think people fear what became of the HP & Palm merger. All it takes is just ONE bad decision to crush what was at one point and time a great power house in the market! I think this is why we see even companies even like Apple just continue with what just "works" for them. Sammy is doing it, Moto should continue and still try an reach a new customer base. But we shall see in due time! I think we need to give Lenovo a shot and let their buy mature some before we hate them. In any case thats just my thought.
    isdaako and dmark44 like this.
    09-21-2014 07:29 AM
  9. isdaako's Avatar
    I agree with you 100% here but I think people fear what became of the HP & Palm merger. All it takes is just ONE bad decision to crush what was at one point and time a great power house in the market! I think this is why we see even companies even like Apple just continue with what just "works" for them. Sammy is doing it, Moto should continue and still try an reach a new customer base. But we shall see in due time! I think we need to give Lenovo a shot and let their buy mature some before we hate them. In any case thats just my thought.
    Exactly.
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    09-21-2014 07:33 AM
  10. stanleywinthrop's Avatar
    What I meant was Lenovo had no pc presence in the US back then, but they are now a powerhouse.

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    Lenoir bought an ongoing PC business from IBM.

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    09-21-2014 08:24 AM
  11. stanleywinthrop's Avatar
    Part of the reason why Motorola has a small presence ad-wise is because it costs a lot of money to advertise. They don't have the same money that Samsung and Apple have. The best thing I've seen from Motorola is their displays with the MotoMaker backs and accents. People spend a lot of time admiring the backs and even design their own, but because they can't get it that day, they buy something else.

    It doesn't help that every time I go into a cell store, the salesmen are pushing people to the highest specs rather than what they actually need.
    You know who DOES have apple/Samsung money? Google.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    09-21-2014 08:26 AM
  12. stanleywinthrop's Avatar
    I'm not sure how anyone would know what the marketing strategy of Lenovo for as yet un-built devices is. I can not believe that they would purchase Motorola with the intent of abandoning it.
    I'm not saying I know what Lenovo motivations were in buying Motorola. I'm just saying they Didn't buy it with the intention of loosing money. Is that such a leap of logic?

    Lenovo and Moto might very well be a smash in emerging markets. But that means nothing for the US market and I'm being selfish and worrying about what's going to be in my hand in a couple of years.

    Chances are it won't be a Motorola and I'm upset about it because I just love Moto's products.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    09-21-2014 08:33 AM
  13. Woosh's Avatar
    What I'm saying is it doesn't matter who is saying no. If Sprint isn't accepting Motorola's current terms then Motorola needs to sweeten the offer. Same goes for t-mobile. If it is serious about getting the Moto X out there in the public' eye Motorola's going to have to open up the pocket book. No two ways about it.

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    No. Sprint isn't that big of a deal, esp not compared to Verizon and AT&T which control about 2/3rds market share. If Moto were to give Sprint a deal on these phones and it got back to the big guys(and it would)then they wouldn't be doing business with them in the future. There is absolutely no incentive for them to give this thing to Sprint.

    It's Sprint's decision not to order the phone, believe me Moto would be more than happy to load that thing with every Sprint app under the stars and sell them the device for the same thing they are selling it to Verizon/AT&T for. Sprint doesn't want to waste the shelf space, manpower to explain features, or money on marketing to sell the phone.

    Your anger/frustration is misplaced here and if you want to continue giving money to a company that continually makes boneheaded moves left and right because it's too much of a "hassle" for you then that is your prerogative. Sprint has a long line of dumb decisions and believe me they will continue under this new regime also. Clearly not enough Sprint customers bought the first X and not enough will leave them for this one either.
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    09-21-2014 12:45 PM
  14. delrey1900's Avatar
    And I just saw a iPhone 6 exclusive deal from Sprint with unlimited everything including data for $50. Hmmm....makes you wonder?!?!?!?! Look, Sprint needs to succeed, we all need them too. Why? Cause we need the competition to keep the prices in check. I find it odd they are not offering the new X as well. They'll bring in a Sharp phone that is new to the US market, as far as phones go, but they won't bring the X to their hurting network. As I stated before, there is more to this story then what is being told.
    09-21-2014 01:26 PM
  15. ianhanson85's Avatar
    Nexus is the way to go and you can get it thru all the major carriers
    Except Verizon....

    The moto x not being available on sprint also concerns me as a Nexus 5 user. The rumor that Motorola will be making the new nexus phone makes me wonder if the N6 won't be available on sprint either.

    Posted via Android Central App
    09-21-2014 03:51 PM
  16. nydog's Avatar
    Let me start if by apologizing if my venting offends anyone. But that's all I'm doing. Flame away if you want. My 1st Gen X is the best phone I have ever owned, but I have serious doubts about where Motorola is heading.

    My disappointment with Motorola stems from two things that happened this week. First, it was announced that Sprint will not carry the new Moto X. I am on sprint and yes I am mad. My wife's side of the contract doesn't run out for 18 months so it looks like if I want a new X it will have to be a third gen if sprint carries it or when we are free to switch carriers. I know 1st world problems etc, but hear me out. I hear some cackling about going to t mobile to get our contracts bought out. The problem with that is to qualify you have to buy new phones FROM tmobile--and they won't be carrying the new X! Buying a Moto maker pure version won't qualify--it doesn't come from t-mobile. So this is my first point--the new X won't be sold in 2 of the 4 major US carrier's stores. That's a problem, and I'll come back to this in a bit.

    Yesterday while it friend and I where out for lunch we decided to stop somewhere to check out the iphone 6. (not impressed by the way, the 6 has a decidedly bigger form factor than my 1st Gen for the same screen size but I digress.) an at&t store was most convenient and we ran in for a look. I was hoping to see at least a poster (if not a display) for the new X. And what do I see? Zip, zilch, nada. Not even an example of a 1st Gen was to be had. In fact one would have no idea Motorola still sold phones by looking in that store. LG, HTC, Samsung all had displays. Heck the stupid Fire phone had a big display! Not one thing from Moto.

    Do you know what yesterday was? Without question the busiest day of the year for carrier stores. I'm not going estimate how many people went into a carrier store yesterday but it had to be a LOT. And what's more a lot of those people are in the market for a new phone. Yes, a majority were probably going to get the iPhone regardless. But there was some portion who walked in curious about the 6 but undecided. Some of those probably compared to other phones in the store. A very small portion maybe bought something other than the 6. Importantly, for a large portion of those people the idea of a non-iphone was planted. If the took the time to compare, no doubt many were impressed by what LG or HTC had to offer. None, at least at the store I was at or at any sprint or t-mobile was impressed by what Motorola had to offer. Hard to impress someone with no presence at all.

    So why does this matter? My contention is that the vast majority of the smartphone buying public don't visit boards like ours or read online reviews. When they want a new phone they either go with what they know (apple or samsung) or they go to a carrier store or best buy and they talk to dales people and try out new phones. Thus if you are going capture a significant market share in the US, you have to have a a presence in most if not all carrier stores. Motorola isn't doing that and
    that does not bode well.

    Motomaker is a great idea, it really is. But it's not a replacement for competent marketing. At best, right now the Moto X is a niche phone, like nexus. Niche phones aren't going to ever truly compete with Samsung and Apple. Google can afford to tread water or even lose money with the nexus line. As part of Lenovo, the Moto X cannot be a money loser. It will not survive. And if the Moto X goes, I believe that Motorola, as we know and love it, will go too. Overseas Motorola seems to be doing well and might be safe. But if Motorola cannot produce a profitable US flagship, you can expect Lenovo to pull Motorola out of the US market, and I wouldn't blame them.

    If the 2nd Gen were available on sprint, I would be on Motomaker now. But if Motorola were still publicly traded I would be telling everyone I know to sell the stock. And that saddens me. I love what Motorola is producing but I think Motorola is marching into irrelevance.

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    I agree with this 100%. I have 3 lines with Sprint, but was in an att store yesterday because my wife wants the iPhone 6. I'm currently out of contact with a GS3 and want a new 64gb Moto X gen 1 (available nowhere however). So I figured I'd look at the gen 2. No one has even a display model, not the att store we were at, the best buy store, best buy mobile, or the Sprint store. And no one was able to give me any information about the gen 2.
    09-21-2014 04:03 PM
  17. Ry's Avatar
    I agree with this 100%. I have 3 lines with Sprint, but was in an att store yesterday because my wife wants the iPhone 6. I'm currently out of contact with a GS3 and want a new 64gb Moto X gen 1 (available nowhere however). So I figured I'd look at the gen 2. No one has even a display model, not the att store we were at, the best buy store, best buy mobile, or the Sprint store. And no one was able to give me any information about the gen 2.
    Which is why I'm excited for the Lenovo deal to finalize. At best, they can expand brand recognition for Motorola and cut costs with better access to a bigger supply chain.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    09-21-2014 05:50 PM
  18. oscarnyc's Avatar
    As a result of the deal they made a couple days of years ago Sprint is on the hook for millions of iPhones. They can't lose customers or salesperson focus on the X. That's why you see the special iPhone deal.
    This is all about sprint, and not Motorola.

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    09-21-2014 08:35 PM
  19. moonoverparma00's Avatar
    I was at a Verizon store yesterday and Motorola products were front and center. Bigger than the iphone 6 display. Nothing about the new X, but a white X, black X, all types of droids. Sprint is dying a slow death anyhow and probably hates the Verizon Moto Droid exclusives.

    Lenovo purchase can only help Moto. Lenovo is innovative and has strong marketing. I think moto is going to be just fine.

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    How is sprint dying a horrible death??
    09-21-2014 09:29 PM
  20. Aquila's Avatar
    I agree with this 100%. I have 3 lines with Sprint, but was in an att store yesterday because my wife wants the iPhone 6. I'm currently out of contact with a GS3 and want a new 64gb Moto X gen 1 (available nowhere however). So I figured I'd look at the gen 2. No one has even a display model, not the att store we were at, the best buy store, best buy mobile, or the Sprint store. And no one was able to give me any information about the gen 2.
    It's not in stores because it hasn't been released yet. Currently it is available only for pre-order.
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    09-22-2014 03:08 AM
  21. stanleywinthrop's Avatar
    It's not in stores because it hasn't been released yet. Currently it is available only for pre-order.
    And that's exactly the problem. It didn't take a clairvoyant to figure out approximately when the iPhone 6 was going to be in stores if not the day, at least within a week. Motorola should have anticipated it and had *some* presence in those stores.

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    09-22-2014 10:36 AM
  22. delrey1900's Avatar
    And that's exactly the problem. It didn't take a clairvoyant to figure out approximately when the iPhone 6 was going to be in stores if not the day, at least within a week. Motorola should have anticipated it and had *some* presence in those stores.

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    I can see where you are going but I highly doubt anyone standing in line that day for an iPhone really cares about any other phone.
    09-22-2014 10:41 AM
  23. stanleywinthrop's Avatar
    I can see where you are going but I highly doubt anyone standing in line that day for an iPhone really cares about any other phone.
    Please go back and read some of my earlier posts in this thread. It's about planting a seed. Getting your brand in the view of the public.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    09-22-2014 05:21 PM
  24. delrey1900's Avatar
    Again, read my statement you quoted. There may be a few that notice but it won't make that big of a impact. Long time iPhone users will always (there are some that have made the change) be iPhone users. Especially those that stand in line for a long time on launch day.
    09-22-2014 05:24 PM
  25. Bill_Ivers's Avatar
    As a result of the deal they made a couple days of years ago Sprint is on the hook for millions of iPhones. They can't lose customers or salesperson focus on the X. That's why you see the special iPhone deal.
    This is all about sprint, and not Motorola.

    Posted via Android Central App

    Now I think we are getting to the root of the issue. I remember when that deal was announced, the guaranteed numbers were unreal. Sprint maybe pushing the iPhone 6 to minimize the money they are losing on that deal with Apple. If you look at Sprints phone line up it gets worse and worse by the the day. Everyday they seem to drop a good phone and replace it by some cheap thing that you have never heard of from ZTE or Kyocera. They must think that if the only flagship phone they offer is the iPhone people will switch to the iPhone rather than switch carriers. I would suggest that is flawed logic, hard core Android fans will never go to the iPhone.
    09-29-2014 01:59 PM
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