10-01-2015 11:56 AM
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  1. adamgalas1's Avatar
    So owning a Nexus 6 as I do, here are my thoughts.

    Huge wins:

    Bigger screen
    Front facing speakers
    Stock+ software
    Charges to 33% in 15 minutes (world's fastest charging phone)

    Let downs: battery size (should be ok, but I use my phone a ton and my battery degrades fast)

    Still to be seen:

    LCD screen (brightness may be better but need to turn off active display)

    Now, I already turned off my active display because I don't like my screen turning on every time I pick up my phone so the screen issue is potentially less of an issue for me unless the LCD means screen on time takes a hit.

    BUT I overall love the Moto software additions especially the double chop to turn on flash light, voice activation, and wrist flip to activate camera.

    Stock android + Moto enhancements are the best overall software experience on any phone period.

    I'll stick to my Nexus for now since it will receive updates through Android N but I'm hopeful in 2 years when I'm ready to upgrade that Moto will have the 5th gen Moto X as a near perfect phone with a bigger screen, (I'm shooting for 6.1'') duel speakers and a much bigger battery.

    I was going to go with a Huawei import since they make phablets with screen size up to 7'' but they don't use T-Mobile's LTE bands 2,4,12 and besides I'd rather support Moto's efforts at:

    1. Ideal carrier-less sales/no bloatware
    2. Great hardware design
    3. Ideal software/ stock android+ actually useful features but no skins.
    07-31-2015 10:04 AM
  2. Joshua Luther2's Avatar
    The slight advantage that the Moto X Style has over the Nexus 6 is micro sd slot. That's the one thing I need or want in my next phone. That or 64gb storage at an affordable price.

    The G4 is still at the top of my list. I will wait to see what the price of the Note 5 will be.

    Also the fact that carriers won't sell them is disappointing. At least for me. I know not everyone likes getting their phones from carriers. But I don't mind it.
    07-31-2015 10:12 AM
  3. jephanie's Avatar
    Also the fact that carriers won't sell them is disappointing. At least for me. I know not everyone likes getting their phones from carriers. But I don't mind it.
    Has Motorola explicitly stated that the "Style" would not be available via carriers? So far, everything I've seen points out the hype that they plan on offering it unlocked as the "Pure Edition" for cheap but I haven't seen them say "you can't get it from carriers." If they do offer through carriers, it would potentially by free or cheap on contract as opposed to $200 like the other flagships. I just can't recall seeing them clearly state that you would never be able to acquire it through a carrier.
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    07-31-2015 10:34 AM
  4. anon8380037's Avatar
    I am currently keen to get an X Play (in UK) , or maybe a Style -

    but the overt full screen brightness may be tiring to my eyes, from seeing the AC blog images on my pc.
    It's just full on backlighting (or edge lighting), take it or leave it.

    Plasma TV's, OLED TV's and Amoled screens as I understand it, light up individual pixels. This has been mentioned countless times no doubt.

    I had a Note 3 for 18 months, and have used my backup Moto G 2013 4.5" exclusively for 2 months (until I can beat my way home to my pc monitor in the evening).

    I have adjusted to the text size, almost, but any brightness level is wearing my eyes and brain out.

    The initial AC hands on reports say it's good, and you can't go by photos of a phone acreen in action, but it's the only thing that's troubling me.

    I also doubt there will be many on display when they come out.
    07-31-2015 10:44 AM
  5. Woosh's Avatar
    Has Motorola explicitly stated that the "Style" would not be available via carriers? So far, everything I've seen points out the hype that they plan on offering it unlocked as the "Pure Edition" for cheap but I haven't seen them say "you can't get it from carriers." If they do offer through carriers, it would potentially by free or cheap on contract as opposed to $200 like the other flagships. I just can't recall seeing them clearly state that you would never be able to acquire it through a carrier.
    Yeah, I believe it was the software engineer in an interview stated that it wouldn't go to carriers. I'll update this post with a link when I find it.

    http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/28/m...hau-deep-dive/

    Engadget: So are carriers going to sell locked-down versions of the Moto X Style?

    Chau: Moto X Style will be exclusively available online and in Best Buys. There are no preloads, no other versions in the US. Isn't that great? Because we can cut out the middleman, we can deliver a better price too.
    From - http://forums.androidcentral.com/mot...ml#post4580315
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    07-31-2015 11:04 AM
  6. anon8380037's Avatar
    Ostensibly, that's great.

    I wish, everyone would wish all OEM's would follow.

    .... but aren't Motorola cutting their own throat. Have they alienated the carriers?
    They must have done the math.

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    What does ostensibly mean?
    07-31-2015 11:37 AM
  7. Woosh's Avatar
    Ostensibly, that's great.

    I wish, everyone would wish all OEM's would follow.

    .... but aren't Motorola cutting their own throat. Have they alienated the carriers?
    They must have done the math.

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    What does ostensibly mean?
    We don't know.....It's possible they offered the Style to all the carriers and all of them decided to pass because of how poorly their Moto phones have sold in the past and this was their contingency plan to get around that. Maybe Lenovo thought it would be a great idea, maybe it was to cut costs, maybe they have something similar going to carriers with a different name and different specs.

    When it comes down to it though carriers are about making sure you use their service and in order to use that service their customers will need a phone. So if they came back next year with a good deal for the carriers then they will probably sign back up for Moto. I don't think the Style will be enough profit loss for carriers to care a whole bunch.
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    07-31-2015 12:23 PM
  8. anon8380037's Avatar
    We don't know.....It's possible they offered the Style to all the carriers and all of them decided to pass because of how poorly their Moto phones have sold in the past and this was their contingency plan to get around that. Maybe Lenovo thought it would be a great idea, maybe it was to cut costs, maybe they have something similar going to carriers with a different name and different specs.

    When it comes down to it though carriers are about making sure you use their service and in order to use that service their customers will need a phone. So if they came back next year with a good deal for the carriers then they will probably sign back up for Moto. I don't think the Style will be enough profit loss for carriers to care a whole bunch.
    Good thinking. Things might change in the short term if the Style sells well (and it should). Carriers may want to include it rather than lose 2 year contracts to sim plans, or there will be a Droid version as said.
    07-31-2015 12:35 PM
  9. Woosh's Avatar
    Good thinking. Things might change in the short term if the Style sells well (and it should). Carriers may want to include it rather than lose 2 year contracts to sim plans, or there will be a Droid version as said.
    I'm hoping it sells well...But I'm skeptical that it will. Motorola's problem is going to be advertising this thing. It'll be interesting to see if they'll pump money into marketing and if they do....How do they go about doing that? There are people who know about budget shopping for phones online vs going to carriers....but those ppl are few and far between. They not only needed to make a good phone but to educate ppl that it's in their best interest to buy from them vs walking into a carrier store, and idk how well it'll go.

    The other problem with this phone(For the carriers)is that carriers don't want their customers to know that they can take their phone to any other company. It's the carriers job to try to keep you on their network and paying that bill as long as you can and the easiest way for them to do that is for someone to be handcuffed by an expensive phone that can't be used anywhere they want.
    07-31-2015 12:55 PM
  10. anon8380037's Avatar
    Yes - of course. Just wonder if the non - Pure edition has less bands.

    It's a game changer for the US.
    It will sell purely on a) price and b) works with any carrier. Specs are flagship level, just many won't like the size.

    Most phones here in the UK are available unlocked from Amazon etc and will work on the major carriers, though one of a carriers bands may be missing. Still I imagine well over 50% will still buy a carrier version on contract, often with far less data.

    So I don't think US customers can carry the trophy for being lemmings when they have less choice than we do.
    07-31-2015 01:26 PM
  11. cboyer's Avatar
    Size is perfect. I love my Nexus 6, but it can be a little hard to hold sometimes. The only thing this phone is missing is USB type C.
    07-31-2015 02:04 PM
  12. Chex313's Avatar
    Price+...No Qi- (Or is there?)
    07-31-2015 05:48 PM
  13. mttmks's Avatar
    I might JUST be able to handle it, but it'll have to go nekkid, no case. I wonder if the backs are user-swappable...
    I might put a skin with some texture if I can't hold on to the phone.

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    07-31-2015 06:05 PM
  14. adamgalas1's Avatar
    I'm really hoping that Qualcomm keeps upgrading their quickcharge tech. If next year sees a USB 3.1 Type C (which has faster charging) + quickcharge 3.0 then we might see 12 hours of battery life from a 10 minute charge which would be sweet. Coming from a Nexus 6 I can't speak more highly of the awesomeness of turbocharging.

    Periodically you read about advances in battery tech and how things like silicon anadoes and graphene promise 10x the energy density which would potentially mean a 30,000 mAh battery and the ability to charge from empty to full in like 5 minutes.

    I'm firmly on board with both greater battery capacity and faster charging so I'm looking forward to 4000+ mAH batteries and an ability to go from 0% to full in under an hour.

    That's especially important since heavy daily use can wreak havoc on battery capacity.

    Case in point my ex-wife used her Note 3 for work (engineer) and constantly had advanced computer programs running in the background and even with a ZeroLemon battery within 1.5 years her battery life was down to 12 hours on a 10000 mAh battery.

    I'm on a Nexus 6 and I use it to watch TV shows and movies and after daily use, and multiple fastcharges per day, after just 5 months my battery life has gone from 6.5 hours of max brightness screen on time to 3.5 hours.

    I'm constantly relying on an external battery and while I'm cool with that I do miss replaceable batteries and imagine that after 3 years my Nexus 6 might be down to just a single hour of max brightness screen on time.

    Being able to recharge to full in under an hour (plus great external batteries) will let me make the most of my Nexus 6, but if future phones could pack in 2, 3, or even 4x the charge and fill up in 30 min or less, well that would be swell.
    07-31-2015 06:12 PM
  15. syspry's Avatar
    Has Motorola explicitly stated that the "Style" would not be available via carriers? So far, everything I've seen points out the hype that they plan on offering it unlocked as the "Pure Edition" for cheap but I haven't seen them say "you can't get it from carriers." If they do offer through carriers, it would potentially by free or cheap on contract as opposed to $200 like the other flagships. I just can't recall seeing them clearly state that you would never be able to acquire it through a carrier.
    My bet is yes after this initial no carrier period is done. Even nexus can be bought from carriers after a certain amount of time. Just won't be the PE
    07-31-2015 06:34 PM
  16. osubeavs728's Avatar
    I'm gonna buy it. I'll pay off my 2014, stick it in a drawer as a back up and rock the 2015. Unless the next nexus runs on Verizon and blows me away, there's no other phones out that interest me. Also, I don't think I could go back to NOT having active display and all of the nice software touches moto does. They've hooked me in that's for sure.
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    07-31-2015 08:28 PM
  17. getbretweir's Avatar
    I'm really hoping that Qualcomm keeps upgrading their quickcharge tech. If next year sees a USB 3.1 Type C (which has faster charging) + quickcharge 3.0 then we might see 12 hours of battery life from a 10 minute charge which would be sweet. Coming from a Nexus 6 I can't speak more highly of the awesomeness of turbocharging.

    Periodically you read about advances in battery tech and how things like silicon anadoes and graphene promise 10x the energy density which would potentially mean a 30,000 mAh battery and the ability to charge from empty to full in like 5 minutes.

    I'm firmly on board with both greater battery capacity and faster charging so I'm looking forward to 4000+ mAH batteries and an ability to go from 0% to full in under an hour.

    That's especially important since heavy daily use can wreak havoc on battery capacity.

    Case in point my ex-wife used her Note 3 for work (engineer) and constantly had advanced computer programs running in the background and even with a ZeroLemon battery within 1.5 years her battery life was down to 12 hours on a 10000 mAh battery.

    I'm on a Nexus 6 and I use it to watch TV shows and movies and after daily use, and multiple fastcharges per day, after just 5 months my battery life has gone from 6.5 hours of max brightness screen on time to 3.5 hours.

    I'm constantly relying on an external battery and while I'm cool with that I do miss replaceable batteries and imagine that after 3 years my Nexus 6 might be down to just a single hour of max brightness screen on time.

    Being able to recharge to full in under an hour (plus great external batteries) will let me make the most of my Nexus 6, but if future phones could pack in 2, 3, or even 4x the charge and fill up in 30 min or less, well that would be swell.

    I feel like we've been hearing about longer lasting batteries for years now, but I still can't find a phone that lasts the day with heavy usage. moving forward I'm not upgrading phones for higher resolution displays or faster processors. innovation in battery tech would definitely be something I'd upgrade for, and I'd gladly pay a premium for it. I subscribe to "Sound & Vision" and read about micro speakers/amps and how a lot of R&D is being allocated towards delivering a much higher quality audio experience. Again, another innovation that would get my attention and I'd certainly welcome. Until I see real innovation, specifically involving battery/audio, I intend on keeping phones for 36 months minimum.

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    08-01-2015 01:43 AM
  18. ETPhoneHomeT's Avatar
    I didn't like the move up from 4.7" to 5.2"....but have gotten used to it. Don't like the move up from 5.2" to 5.7"....but could maybe get used to it. I would have preferred a 5.2" or smaller variant with 1080p and 3,000 or larger mAh battery and AMOLED display. For a smartphone, my preference would be ergonomically and battery friendly...not having to worry about making it through one day on a single charge. Increase to 3,000 mAh is nice, but seems like that benefit could be negated by larger QHD display and move from AMOLED to LCD. If I want larger screen real estate, I pull out my N7.
    08-01-2015 09:37 AM
  19. DC Wuff's Avatar
    After Moto rushed the 5.0 update, my 2014 X's battery life went in the toilet, so I switched to the Nexus 6. I was worried that it would be too big, but it only took about an hour to get used to the larger screen size. I love the N6, but I really miss the X's enhancements. So, the 2015 Pure Edition is pretty much the ideal phone for me at this point. I may not pre-order, but I will definitely buy it and relegate the N6 to backup duty and Android M tinkering.

    Also, the 5.0 update left me really concerned about timeliness and quality of future software updates under Lenovo's umbrella. However, the 5.1 update has remedied all of that. After 5.1, I gave the 2014 X to my wife to finally get her away from her iPhone. She loves it, and battery life is leaps and bounds better than it was after 5.0.

    Moto is going to have to screw up royally to lose me as an X user going forward.

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    08-01-2015 01:40 PM
  20. Ry's Avatar
    A miss for me is the size. Motorola does a great job with all the Moto Xs making them seem smaller than what the screen size suggests.

    But people buy big phones so it makes business sense for Motorola.

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    08-01-2015 06:28 PM
  21. Ry's Avatar
    Can't wait to see real world camera samples.

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    08-01-2015 06:39 PM
  22. XYZCrafts's Avatar
    No OIS on the camera and screen to big to use.....
    08-02-2015 03:06 AM
  23. landale's Avatar
    I don't mind the increase in size as its still at least way smaller than the Nexus 6 which was way too big.

    I do wish they had come up with some sort of one handed mode though. Maybe some sort of gesture to shrink the screen a bit. Of they had done that it would be perfect. Honestly I'm surprised Google hasn't done that as part of stock Android yet either.
    08-02-2015 07:42 AM
  24. getbretweir's Avatar
    I don't mind the increase in size as its still at least way smaller than the Nexus 6 which was way too big.

    I do wish they had come up with some sort of one handed mode though. Maybe some sort of gesture to shrink the screen a bit. Of they had done that it would be perfect. Honestly I'm surprised Google hasn't done that as part of stock Android yet either.
    agreed, I'd have thought by now with all the phablets we see nowadays Android would've done more to provide friendlier experience given the extra real estate. I didn't see all of I/O, so maybe it's in the plans, but I don't think M will include many features specific to the larger displays.

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    08-02-2015 08:08 AM
  25. D13H4RD2L1V3's Avatar
    agreed, I'd have thought by now with all the phablets we see nowadays Android would've done more to provide friendlier experience given the extra real estate. I didn't see all of I/O, so maybe it's in the plans, but I don't think M will include many features specific to the larger displays.

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    A lower UI DPI would be a start
    08-02-2015 08:22 AM
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