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  1. sulla1965's Avatar
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Moto marketing this thing as a flagship, the likes of which can compete with the G4's and note 5's of the world? Throw the price out for a minute, if they want to compete with these the X can't be simply "good enough."

    I don't think they are planning to market it as, "it's good enough, you get what you pay for."
    To me the Moto X Pure is actually a mid range device. Which is why its only $399 . Remember the one plus one was touted as the "flagship killer"? Well that's what Moto is going for here IMO. A phone with good specs that can compete favorably with $600-$800 phones. Moto made a big splash with budget phones, I feel they're trying to do the same with the mid range market. So I don't expect the Moto X to beat much more expensive phones, and I'm OK with that.
    09-09-2015 09:32 PM
  2. jephanie's Avatar
    The Moto X is not a mid-range device. It is a flagship level device being sold directly to consumers at wholesale price. The $200+ is the delta between retail and wholesale price.
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    09-09-2015 09:46 PM
  3. GeordieAffy's Avatar
    Mid Range? What about the Moto X is Mid Range apart from the price?

    I bet if it was piced at the same level as the G4 or othet flagships people wouldnt call it mid range.

    Sent from S3 via Tapatalk App.
    09-10-2015 12:40 AM
  4. krazyatom's Avatar
    The Moto X is not a mid-range device. It is a flagship level device being sold directly to consumers at wholesale price. The $200+ is the delta between retail and wholesale price.
    LG G4 and S6 are sold pretty much similar price if you look for international model though. I really hope moto x pure edition is par with these flagships! We'll find out!
    09-10-2015 01:07 AM
  5. bigbuc's Avatar
    my first order hasn't shipped, but my second one has... be here the 14th...
    but the time line still says both are being built.

    --sent from neglected rural America
    09-10-2015 01:08 AM
  6. jephanie's Avatar
    LG G4 and S6 are sold pretty much similar price if you look for international model though. I really hope moto x pure edition is par with these flagships! We'll find out!
    Only after their prices were slashed after time or weak sales (or both).

    Sent from my XT1060 using Tapatalk
    09-10-2015 03:52 AM
  7. kj11's Avatar
    Mid Range? What about the Moto X is Mid Range apart from the price?

    I bet if it was piced at the same level as the G4 or othet flagships people wouldnt call it mid range.

    Sent from S3 via Tapatalk App.
    LCD screen vs AMOLED
    808 processor
    No wireless charging
    No fingerprint scanner
    Camera performance

    You can debate whether you want/care about these features, but all of the "high range" devices, (note 5, S6 edge+, LG G4, upcoming LG G4 pro/note, the two nexus phones if you want to throw those in) have them. I know the G4 has the same processor, but the G4 was released several months ago and has wireless charging ability, fingerprint scanner and (probably) a better camera, although that is yet to be determined.

    I think this is a problem for Motorola.... If a group of Android enthusiasts, who are seriously considering getting this phone, can't figure out if it's hands down the best mid range phone in the world, or just an average high end device, how are they going to get it in the hands of the average Joe consumer?
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    09-10-2015 05:32 AM
  8. sangs's Avatar
    LCD screen vs AMOLED
    808 processor
    No wireless charging
    No fingerprint scanner
    Camera performance

    You can debate whether you want/care about these features, but all of the "high range" devices, (note 5, S6 edge+, LG G4, upcoming LG G4 pro/note, the two nexus phones if you want to throw those in) have them. I know the G4 has the same processor, but the G4 was released several months ago and has wireless charging ability, fingerprint scanner and (probably) a better camera, although that is yet to be determined.

    I think this is a problem for Motorola.... If a group of Android enthusiasts, who are seriously considering getting this phone, can't figure out if it's hands down the best mid range phone in the world, or just an average high end device, how are they going to get it in the hands of the average Joe consumer?
    Pretty certain there is no fingerprint scanner on the G4.
    redeyss likes this.
    09-10-2015 05:37 AM
  9. Arlizz's Avatar
    My phone arrives some time today. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the battery. Engadget called it "mediocre" and for anyone to call a battery mediocre is enough to warrant some serious scrutiny of the device.
    Gonna charge it full then blast away and see how long I can last straight internet, video, and texting.
    09-10-2015 06:04 AM
  10. benjamminh's Avatar
    I agree that battery is the biggest question. I don't care about wireless charging or fingerprint scanner and the camera will be leagues ahead of my droid Maxx. I do find it's funny how convenient it is that people seem to forget the software experience, including Moto enhancements as well as that some people actually use it as a cell phone and not just a mini computer and entertainment device.
    On2Vegas and Arlizz like this.
    09-10-2015 06:25 AM
  11. djh2011's Avatar
    Pretty certain there is no fingerprint scanner on the G4.
    I think this phone puts it in the middle actually. The 808 I can understand with the heating issues of the 810. But OP2 went with the version 2 of 810 that was supposed to address those concerns. I don't need a fingerprint scanner. It would have been a "wish list", not a "must have." But, I am surprised that they would go as far as putting a 21mp camera, and 5mp camera upfront w/ flash, and leave out OIS. Just doesn't make sense. I can't imagine it would have added that much to the cost. I do feel they skimped out on a few things that could have made this "high end" without question. Because they did, some will just question the reasons and believe it isn't top notch. FWIW, I had the G4 and the 808 in that thing got pretty darn hot when using camera/video for a few mins.
    09-10-2015 06:41 AM
  12. Aquila's Avatar
    The G4 and Moto are nearly identical on many specs - the Moto X just has better software, front facing speakers, a better design and slashes the price by about a third.

    The G4 is widely held as being better than the s6 so going to leave the s6 out other than saying Samsung screen quality is fantastic.

    The X vs the Note 5 is the interesting question. So much is the same or similar that to say these are not both flagship level devices makes me wonder what the perceived difference is.

    At the same price point, the X meets or beats the other flagships of this year in most categories. The places it isn't going to win are going to be screen accuracy, low light photos and random one off features that some people want and others don't care about.

    What moto is doing, for the third time in a row, is putting out a device that goes toe to toe with the heavyweights despite being a much better value. This year they slimmed down the gap to where it may not even exist and kept the value proposition. There are complaints about that?



    sent via Nexus Assassin Edition. Gonfaloniere.
    09-10-2015 07:00 AM
  13. djh2011's Avatar
    I'm not going to complain. This will be my 2nd attempt at a Motorola device. (tried the Turbo for a little bit). However, I am looking for a device that will better my LG G3 camera. I do take a lot of inside photos of kid's competitions. Thus, I wish OIS was included. I do like that I will get a chance to enjoy nearly pure android, quicker updates, better software. Now, where is that damn phone?
    09-10-2015 07:07 AM
  14. Mdbills484's Avatar
    just a placeholder? Doesn't seem to me intended as a flagship at all. Older chipset, mediocre camera and battery, no heart rate monitor, no fingerprint scanner(highly suspect since Marshmellow will go big on that). Inclusion of stereo speaker is a big so what, they've done nothing for Sony or HTC so clearly the market has spoken on that gimmick. Both upcoming Nexus's appear to be much smarter purchases IMO. Why anyone would buy one of these over a subsidized Note 5 or G4 escapes me, though if someone looks the custom options and doesnt ever use a case, then OK I guess.

    I certainly hope Motorovo has something better in store for us soon.(and not on Verizon).
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    09-10-2015 10:03 AM
  15. Clocks's Avatar
    I pretty much disagree with you across the board.

    It's the best option for a chip right now. Camera and battery are yet to be determined by a reliable source but look positive. Fingerprint scanner means nothing to me. I like front speakers. Nexus fail on camera and battery every year so not too interested in those. Note 5 and g4 both have major flaws making them doa for me.
    09-10-2015 10:07 AM
  16. On2Vegas's Avatar
    My phone arrives some time today. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the battery. Engadget called it "mediocre" and for anyone to call a battery mediocre is enough to warrant some serious scrutiny of the device.
    Gonna charge it full then blast away and see how long I can last straight internet, video, and texting.
    Just going to repeat this, battery life on the 2014s got better after about a week of use. Don't let the first few days solidify your opinion of battery.

    Also, I have always found Engadget's reviews inconsistent. For the S6 they simply said "Battery life could be better", yet that's many users main complaint about that phone. It likely depends on who reviews the device and what their "opinion" is of good battery life. I think the Pure will perform similarly to the 2014 X, but slightly better. A moderate-user (at least my opinion of what classifies this term) will get a full days use, but will charge every evening. It will not be satisfactory for a heavy-user (again my opinion).

    Bottom line, wait at least a week before judging how this phone will perform.
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    09-10-2015 10:14 AM
  17. Mdbills484's Avatar
    I pretty much disagree with you across the board.

    It's the best option for a chip right now. Camera and battery are yet to be determined by a reliable source but look positive. Fingerprint scanner means nothing to me. I like front speakers. Nexus fail on camera and battery every year so not too interested in those. Note 5 and g4 both have major flaws making them doa for me.
    Everyone's mileage may vary of course, but you may be an exception, not the rule. There are literally dozens of reviews all making the same findings about camera and battery. By contrast the Note 5 is widely seen as good as it gets and is substantially cheaper on an upgrade.
    09-10-2015 10:19 AM
  18. Linebarrel86's Avatar
    just a placeholder? Doesn't seem to me intended as a flagship at all. Older chipset, mediocre camera and battery, no heart rate monitor, no fingerprint scanner(highly suspect since Marshmellow will go big on that). Inclusion of stereo speaker is a big so what, they've done nothing for Sony or HTC so clearly the market has spoken on that gimmick. Both upcoming Nexus's appear to be much smarter purchases IMO. Why anyone would buy one of these over a subsidized Note 5 or G4 escapes me, though if someone looks the custom options and doesnt ever use a case, then OK I guess.

    I certainly hope Motorovo has something better in store for us soon.(and not on Verizon).
    SD 808 is a new chipset released this year along with the 810. The SD 820 won't be seen till the tailend of this year or early next year. Camera is rated in the top five between the Galaxy S6, iPhone 6 Plus and G4. Battery life is easily all day.

    Stereo speakers aren't a big deal...unitl to go back to a phone that doesn't include them.

    As for the new Nexus devices...no one knows what they will actually be like. And if history is any indicator, they will have some combination of the following:

    1. Have a terrible camera despite having a great senosr.
    2. A badly calibrated display.
    3. Good battery life, but strangely, not greater than skinned versions of phones.

    Granted, Google may remedy these in one fell swoop. But that's yet to be seen.
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    09-10-2015 10:20 AM
  19. Clocks's Avatar
    Everyone's mileage may vary of course, but you may be an exception, not the rule. There are literally dozens of reviews all making the same findings about camera and battery. By contrast the Note 5 is widely seen as good as it gets and is substantially cheaper on an upgrade.
    How are there dozens of quality reviews up? They only sent out 6 review units and those reviewers all did quick 1 day use reviews.

    (edit I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying it's too early to have the negative opinion of the phone you have described)
    09-10-2015 10:22 AM
  20. On2Vegas's Avatar
    Everyone's mileage may vary of course, but you may be an exception, not the rule. There are literally dozens of reviews all making the same findings about camera and battery. By contrast the Note 5 is widely seen as good as it gets and is substantially cheaper on an upgrade.
    He's far from the exception, I agree 100% with Clocks. Also, the G4 you mentioned has the same chip as this phone.
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    09-10-2015 10:22 AM
  21. Arlizz's Avatar
    Speaking of the Turbo, I hope they make a Turbo 2 (a real Turbo 2, not the international Play renaming mess) to succeed the X Pure as Motorola's next flagship device. I would jump to that instantly.
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    09-10-2015 10:24 AM
  22. benjamminh's Avatar
    Sounds like the Note 5 is your phone then. The great thing about Android is that we have such a variety of choice. Just remember that "upgrade/subsidized pricing" on Verizon for example is costing you $25 a month (the credit you get for bringing your own device). 25x12=$300x2 years=$600. (edge) or $20x12x2=$480 (their new plans)..hmmm...that upgrade/subsidized price isn't feeling like such a great deal now, does it?
    jephanie likes this.
    09-10-2015 10:25 AM
  23. Mdbills484's Avatar
    He's far from the exception, I agree 100% with Clocks. Also, the G4 you mentioned has the same chip as this phone.
    Indeed but I haven't seen complaints of lag on the G4 like on the Pure.
    09-10-2015 10:29 AM
  24. Mdbills484's Avatar
    How are there dozens of quality reviews up? They only sent out 6 review units and those reviewers all did quick 1 day use reviews.

    (edit I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying it's too early to have the negative opinion of the phone you have described)
    Let's see, CNet, Wired, The Verge, Android Authority, Engadget and that's just off the top of my head.
    09-10-2015 10:30 AM
  25. krazyatom's Avatar
    Nexus 5 would be similar to LG g4 in my prediction but stock android with 1080p screen.

    Sent from my SM-G920T using Tapatalk
    09-10-2015 10:31 AM
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