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  1. kae9797's Avatar
    Well I'm holding off from ordering till I see more hands on reviews of this puppy!

    1st - I need to know if the bootloader can be unlocked, liked the NEXUS 6.

    2nd - Can the phone do VoLTE on Verizon right out of the box, or do we need some update down the road.

    The Moto X 2014 doesn't do voice and data at the same time.
    They said the update would be out by the end of 2014 and as of today it still cant do voice and data. WTF is up with that?
    No VoLTE for it yet!

    So I will just have to wait till they give it a good hands on review here or at some other site
    09-04-2015 04:33 AM
  2. getbretweir's Avatar
    Not sure what this has to do with anything.



    Well then - let's get to your questions. Of course my answers are just as valid as yours since neither have concrete evidence.



    Your answer: because Verizon.



    n


    My answer: Because Motorola doesn't feel the need to. Could it be that simple? I think so. And that's as good of an answer as "because Verizon".



    Meh. It's hate on Verizon for the sake of hating on Verizon. Motorola doesn't want or doesn't feel the need to put a 3600 mAh battery in the Moto X Pure Edition. Tough. Don't like it? Don't buy it.



    Same answers as above.



    Speculation doesn't make it fact. You can believe what you want to believe. It still doesn't make it fact and it doesn't make you any more right than my reasons.

    I guess Verizon was the reason Motorola didn't have non-DROID "small phones" (DROID RAZR M) in the US either.

    I was looking forward to your response. very disappointing ... predictable, but still disappointing.

    not a single one of your points, literally not one, involved any thought whatsoever. you simply see what you can see on the surface, and regurgitate it as your own.

    and not one of my questions was actually answered, instead, you chose to deflect the issue, while attempting to make me look stupid, which backfired mightily.

    and for whatever reason, you chose to come at me and challenge what's simply an opinion, yet you think for some reason I declare it as fact.

    you still haven't contributed anything relevant to this conversation though.

    it's not about what you see on the surface, so if you can't look a little deeper, than there's no point in continuing.

    also, take a look at this link. now I imagine that you'll look at it, read the headline and then boil it down to one or two words and use the tactic of trying to look smart by making somebody else look stupid.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...n-in-2010.html

    but try reading between the lines. just try imagining, that the possibility exists, that moto and VZ could possibly have a tight enough relationship, and have done enough business through the years, to make it a possibility that moto would consider not stepping on their toes and damaging that relationship.

    remember though, this is an exercise that involves looking past what you can actually see. you won't be able to find any of this on Wikipedia or on Google ... good luck!
    09-04-2015 05:26 AM
  3. Salvatore Ferrara Jr's Avatar
    Right on point! I wish they would just compare the phone to phones that are in the same price range. From all of the things I've read, it's a solid phone for a mid range phone!
    09-04-2015 07:18 AM
  4. Clocks's Avatar
    Well I'm holding off from ordering till I see more hands on reviews of this puppy!

    1st - I need to know if the bootloader can be unlocked, liked the NEXUS 6.

    2nd - Can the phone do VoLTE on Verizon right out of the box, or do we need some update down the road.

    The Moto X 2014 doesn't do voice and data at the same time.
    They said the update would be out by the end of 2014 and as of today it still cant do voice and data. WTF is up with that?
    No VoLTE for it yet!

    So I will just have to wait till they give it a good hands on review here or at some other site
    The answer to both of your questions is yes according to moto.
    09-04-2015 07:40 AM
  5. bholt6's Avatar
    Since this pissing match no longer has much to do with the thread topic at all, it should be taken to PMs.
    09-04-2015 07:50 AM
  6. bpe4's Avatar
    Right on point! I wish they would just compare the phone to phones that are in the same price range. From all of the things I've read, it's a solid phone for a mid range phone!
    Well, I think Motorola considers this phone their 'Flagship' hence the comparisons with other flagships. The term mid-range only comes up because they've lowered the price to make it more attractive to buyers. And what exactly is mid-range in regards to price? For budget phones,I would think sub-$200 sounds right. I would consider $200-$400 mid-range (i.e. Moto X Play, One Plus One, Zenfone 2, etc...) For flagships, I would think $400+. I guess it depends on what your wallet thinks.
    09-04-2015 07:58 AM
  7. getbretweir's Avatar
    Since this pissing match no longer has much to do with the thread topic at all, it should be taken to PMs.
    yeah I agree ... wasn't intended to disagree or like that, but don't want to ruin a great thread 1 day after the release of a great phone.
    bholt6 likes this.
    09-04-2015 08:09 AM
  8. benjamminh's Avatar
    I'll happily take my flagship at $400-450 rather than $600 or $700-750 for some modest differences in camera and processor and getting to use an sd card and near stock android plus Moto enhancements.
    09-04-2015 08:14 AM
  9. jephanie's Avatar
    I'll happily take my flagship at $400-450 rather than $600 or $700-750 for some modest differences in camera and processor and getting to use an sd card and near stock android plus Moto enhancements.
    That's exactly how I feel. For just a little more $$$ than the cost of ONE of the others, I'm able to buy TWO of the XPEs for my wife and me. And I'm very confident we'll be extremely pleased with the decision.
    On2Vegas likes this.
    09-04-2015 09:00 AM
  10. RapidTurtle's Avatar
    If u shop around though, U can usually score a decent deal on one of the flagships. The G4 unlocked can be had for $469. That's only $20 more than a moto x with 32 gas. Best Buy is giving gift cards with purchase of a G4 or S6, $150. That puts those phones in the $450 range. I know it's a gift card, but I know I will be spending at least $150 at Best Buy for the holidays.
    09-04-2015 09:47 AM
  11. adamgalas1's Avatar
    A few points.

    1. I'm not sure if it's just me but the low light picks they show in these reviews look fine to me.

    I have no idea what washed out colors or noise means and I think that most non tech people, who review dozens of phones per year, won't be bothered by its camera.

    That's based on customer reviews from previous moto x in amazon.

    2. I'm so sick and tired of every reviewer labeling. The big screen a con. It's one of the main features of the phone.

    Reviewers seen to forget that no one who hates big phones will ever even pick the xpe up, much less buy it.

    Yes, you may have to use it for a week to review it as your job but just because you have small hands and hate phablet s doesn't mean you should ***** about the main feature of the device.

    It's as if I reviewed the Xperia z 5 compact and complained about the 4.6 inch screen feeling cramped.

    To people who are drawn to that phone the tiny screen is the big draw.

    Or how about the s pen on the note 5? I personally don't find it useful and so is unnecessary for me, just something to lose.

    But it's also the defining feature of the damned phone so how fair would it be for me to review the phone and complain about it?

    Or how about if I was someone who never used replaceable batteries or SD cards and then attacked the LG g4 for having this things, claiming that a totally sealed design is superior and I just don't get why every phone doesn't have that and forgo SD cards.

    Phone Reviewers need to keep in mind that key features of a phone are that, features.

    No one who actually buys a nexus 6 does it despite the giant screen but exactly because they want a giant screen.

    So claiming that the large size may be too big for some is asinine.

    Who reviews a Ferrari and then lists poor fuel economy as a con?

    Or reviews a Bently and then says "may be outside some readers price range".

    Yeah, no ****, sherlock, and the downside of swimming is that it may be too wet for some.
    09-04-2015 09:49 AM
  12. Ry's Avatar
    I was looking forward to your response. very disappointing ... predictable, but still disappointing.

    not a single one of your points, literally not one, involved any thought whatsoever. you simply see what you can see on the surface, and regurgitate it as your own.

    and not one of my questions was actually answered, instead, you chose to deflect the issue, while attempting to make me look stupid, which backfired mightily.

    and for whatever reason, you chose to come at me and challenge what's simply an opinion, yet you think for some reason I declare it as fact.

    you still haven't contributed anything relevant to this conversation though.

    it's not about what you see on the surface, so if you can't look a little deeper, than there's no point in continuing.

    also, take a look at this link. now I imagine that you'll look at it, read the headline and then boil it down to one or two words and use the tactic of trying to look smart by making somebody else look stupid.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...n-in-2010.html

    but try reading between the lines. just try imagining, that the possibility exists, that moto and VZ could possibly have a tight enough relationship, and have done enough business through the years, to make it a possibility that moto would consider not stepping on their toes and damaging that relationship.

    remember though, this is an exercise that involves looking past what you can actually see. you won't be able to find any of this on Wikipedia or on Google ... good luck!
    I answered your questions.

    Here's one for you - all in the realm of hypothetical just as your "because Verizon" reasoning.

    If Motorola says they didn't put a bigger battery in the Moto X Style because they didn't want the phone to be too thick, would you believe them or would you simply assume "because Verizon"?

    But I expect you to deflect or dismiss these options and opinions and take personal digs at me because that's how you seem to operate.

    There's likely more than one reason and I've already stayed yours is just as valid as mine. I just believe it can't be as simple as "because Verizon".

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    09-04-2015 10:26 AM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    If u shop around though, U can usually score a decent deal on one of the flagships. The G4 unlocked can be had for $469. That's only $20 more than a moto x with 32 gas. Best Buy is giving gift cards with purchase of a G4 or S6, $150. That puts those phones in the $450 range. I know it's a gift card, but I know I will be spending at least $150 at Best Buy for the holidays.
    But eventually you'll be able to find a deal on the Moto X Pure Edition.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    09-04-2015 10:28 AM
  14. Ry's Avatar
    A few points.

    1. I'm not sure if it's just me but the low light picks they show in these reviews look fine to me.

    I have no idea what washed out colors or noise means and I think that most non tech people, who review dozens of phones per year, won't be bothered by its camera.

    That's based on customer reviews from previous moto x in amazon.

    2. I'm so sick and tired of every reviewer labeling. The big screen a con. It's one of the main features of the phone.

    Reviewers seen to forget that no one who hates big phones will ever even pick the xpe up, much less buy it.

    Yes, you may have to use it for a week to review it as your job but just because you have small hands and hate phablet s doesn't mean you should ***** about the main feature of the device.

    It's as if I reviewed the Xperia z 5 compact and complained about the 4.6 inch screen feeling cramped.

    To people who are drawn to that phone the tiny screen is the big draw.

    Or how about the s pen on the note 5? I personally don't find it useful and so is unnecessary for me, just something to lose.

    But it's also the defining feature of the damned phone so how fair would it be for me to review the phone and complain about it?

    Or how about if I was someone who never used replaceable batteries or SD cards and then attacked the LG g4 for having this things, claiming that a totally sealed design is superior and I just don't get why every phone doesn't have that and forgo SD cards.

    Phone Reviewers need to keep in mind that key features of a phone are that, features.

    No one who actually buys a nexus 6 does it despite the giant screen but exactly because they want a giant screen.

    So claiming that the large size may be too big for some is asinine.

    Who reviews a Ferrari and then lists poor fuel economy as a con?

    Or reviews a Bently and then says "may be outside some readers price range".

    Yeah, no ****, sherlock, and the downside of swimming is that it may be too wet for some.
    But those reviewers are just giving their opinion.

    Look beyond the Pros and Cons section.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    09-04-2015 10:30 AM
  15. Ry's Avatar
    Well I'm holding off from ordering till I see more hands on reviews of this puppy!

    1st - I need to know if the bootloader can be unlocked, liked the NEXUS 6.

    2nd - Can the phone do VoLTE on Verizon right out of the box, or do we need some update down the road.

    The Moto X 2014 doesn't do voice and data at the same time.
    They said the update would be out by the end of 2014 and as of today it still cant do voice and data. WTF is up with that?
    No VoLTE for it yet!

    So I will just have to wait till they give it a good hands on review here or at some other site
    Yup. Clocks has been compiling a bunch of answers from Motorola support.

    http://forums.androidcentral.com/sho...d.php?t=576320

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    09-04-2015 10:33 AM
  16. rushmore's Avatar
    What the heck has happened to this thread?? I normally like chaos, but this is not the place

    My only hold point for ordering is battery life, so hoping the initial reviews were too high on relative brightness. Need to see reviews that actually measure relative brightness and test (especially video endurance tests) accordingly.
    09-04-2015 10:42 AM
  17. jephanie's Avatar
    If u shop around though, U can usually score a decent deal on one of the flagships. The G4 unlocked can be had for $469. That's only $20 more than a moto x with 32 gas. Best Buy is giving gift cards with purchase of a G4 or S6, $150. That puts those phones in the $450 range. I know it's a gift card, but I know I will be spending at least $150 at Best Buy for the holidays.
    Maybe so, but Moto X UX > than LG or Samsung UX by a very big margin. I love the stock Android and Moto add-ons so much more than the skins. And LG isn't exactly speedy with their updates.
    co.ag.2005 and YankInDaSouth like this.
    09-04-2015 10:52 AM
  18. OMGLadyGaga's Avatar
    Reading that verge review again really irked me. I usually roll my eyes at all the comments on the internet accusing them and other sites of being pro-Apple fanboys, but one can't help but think that they were looking down on the Moto X because of its price instead of praising the value at hand. How many "midrange" devices have a QHD display, front facing speakers, premium material build, with a 6 core processor, 20+ MP camera, etc...? I think if this thing was $649 or even $699 they'd be much more positive about it instead of the review being influenced negatively by its $399 price tag. Which is the opposite of what it should be.

    Last years Moto x got great reviews, earning several best of awards from many publications both big and small, and that thing was $499 at launch I think. The new version improves everything at a cheaper price, yet it's looked down upon mmmmkay. Most review sites suck, and I'm glad we have these forums for real world usage reviews from real customers who paid with their hard earned money and not just took it for a spin for a week.
    CTalman likes this.
    09-04-2015 11:18 AM
  19. benjamminh's Avatar
    LG4 probably has the better camera and removable battery, but I agree the difference in software and user experience is likely large.
    09-04-2015 11:19 AM
  20. Ry's Avatar
    Reading that verge review again really irked me. I usually roll my eyes at all the comments on the internet accusing them and other sites of being pro-Apple fanboys, but one can't help but think that they were looking down on the Moto X because of its price instead of praising the value at hand. How many "midrange" devices have a QHD display, front facing speakers, premium material build, with a 6 core processor, 20+ MP camera, etc...? I think if this thing was $649 or even $699 they'd be much more positive about it instead of the review being influenced negatively by its $399 price tag. Which is the opposite of what it should be.

    Last years Moto x got great reviews, earning several best of awards from many publications both big and small, and that thing was $499 at launch I think. The new version improves everything at a cheaper price, yet it's looked down upon mmmmkay. Most review sites suck, and I'm glad we have these forums for real world usage reviews from real customers who paid with their hard earned money and not just took it for a spin for a week.
    After reading their review and watching their video, it seemed to me as if they loved the Moto X. They seemed to like the experience and are blown away that that experience comes at such a low price.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)
    Clocks and Postoid like this.
    09-04-2015 11:20 AM
  21. OMGLadyGaga's Avatar
    After reading their review and watching their video, it seemed to me as if they loved the Moto X. They seemed to like the experience and are blown away that that experience comes at such a low price.

    Posted via Android Central App (Moto X)

    I didn't get that at all, I did get that vibe from their review of the Moto x last year though. The note 5 seems to be the media darling and perhaps rightfully so, but I kinda think that most of these devices are more or less equal and are simply different rather than better or worse
    09-04-2015 11:27 AM
  22. pinoymutt5's Avatar
    In the end, it all really comes down to what you are looking for in a phone. I wasn't very impressed with most of the reviews -- and interestingly enough, none of them were from Android-specific blogs like AC, AndroidPolice, Droid-Life, etc. that I read on a regular basis -- that actually point out things that a lot of more technical users will appreciate.

    Specifically, for me, I was looking for a few things:

    1. Good price point
    2. Bootloader unlock (e.g. Dev friendly, and easily rootable)
    3. Good software reputation (e.g. close to stock and quick updates)
    4. A mid/high end phone that does NOT use the overheating POS Snapdragon 810
    5. Expandable storage (e.g. microSD support)

    My last few phones respectively are/were: Oneplus One (soon to be replaced by my incoming X Pure), Nexus 5, and before that the Galaxy S1-S4 lines.

    So how did I come to my decision on the X Pure based on the other ones? It was pretty easy as I objectively looked at it to eliminate competitors:
    (Just as a information point, I'm on AT&T in the US)

    1. LG G4 - I was actually very close to pulling the trigger on this one, however 2 things seemed to hold me back: (a) unless you own the 815 variant, which is the international unlocked version and quite pricey, unlocking the bootloader is a negative, and the carrier versions just recently got root (but a very convoluted way to do this) -- which also means the dev community after several months is still pretty sparse; and (b) I keep reading real life experience of people that complain about LG's skin and "enhancements" to Lollipop -- which generally isn't a big deal if you can unlock the bootloader and put on another ROM -- but see point A.

    2. Galaxy S6, Edge, and all the ******* offshoots - I mentioned that I was an early proponent of the Galaxy S series. After the first Galaxy S, I was a day-1 adoptee on each of the succeeding models through the S4. However, a few things starting with the S5 started to turn me sour to Samung -- the biggest being how they've caved in to the US Carriers and starting really clamping down on bootloaders, which effectively crippled much of the dev community. I understand it to an extent with their Knox initiative and all, but doesn't suit me. Also, their recent move away from SD expansion (which was one of their strengths) doesn't sit too well with me. And their pricing is crazy -- especially now that many carriers in the US don't subsidize anymore, this will definitely hurt their US market for people that won't pay upwards of $700-800 for something not called iPhone.

    3. Nexus 2015 (either variant) -- word on the street is that the LG model will have lower specs to compensate for pricing, plus I am a fan of the 5.5-5.7 screen, so that one goes out quick. The Huawei version was the model that had me most intrigued, but there are a few things that I was concerned about that led me to pull the trigger now on the X Pure rather than wait for the Nexus annoucement -- (a) Google is not a big fan of MicroSD storage. Sure Marshmallow is supposed to add some native SD capability, but with the exception of an early Nexus -- the chance of having a MicroSD on the new nexus is slim. I lived without it on both my Nexus 5 and OPO, but even with 64GB on my OPO, I found I was running out of space for things like music and video; (b) price -- the Nexus 6 had a pretty hefty price tag for the 64GB model. Word is that Google will address this with the lower-spec'ed LG 5.2 version, but that leaves the high price tag to be on the Huawei one. I can see this model being the same (maybe even a little more) than the Nexus 6 pricepoint; and (c) processor. I've read rumors from everything from the not-yet-released 820 to using the dreaded 810, which recent reports point more to the 810. Plus, Huawei themselves use their own SOC in their own flagship models, so using a different chip than they are used to (plus the garbage that is the 810) could be not so hot out of the gate. And if it is the first phone to use the new 820, it could demand a high premium initially as well.

    4. And last, but not least, the Oneplus 2. Let me first say that, my Oneplus One has been a wonderful piece of hardware that had so much potential. When it came out, the specs for the pricepoint couldn't be beat. Plus the notion that is was a real alternative to the Nexus (dev friendly at a great price) was huge. And then came actually dealing with Oneplus the company. I've posted on other forums, and could write for another hour just on this -- but let me just sum up that in my opinion Oneplus is seemingly run by a bunch of inexperienced entitled children to put it mildly. I actually do use NFC, and their recent explanations and PR nightmares were just too much (don't believe for a moment that the whole Cyanogen debacle was 100% on Cyanogen Inc. It takes 2 to tango, but I do agree that Cyanogen Inc. is another company that fits in the "run by children" mold). I gave them a lot of slack on their first attempt, but for their second phone, you expect a lot of lessons learned and hopefully more maturity that just didn't seem to pan out. I don't think they will be around in a few years to be honest (unless they are reintegrated into "parent" OPPO).

    So after thinking through all of these things, I decided that taking a chance on LennovoMoto and what seems to be a really good package that ticks most of my boxes. Fingerprinter reader and wireless charging would be cool -- but not a must for me. And I find it funny that people are so nitpicky on the battery. I've been an Android user for years, and learning to put my phone on the charger every night is just something you get used to. I'm the furthest thing from an Apple fanboi -- but one thing that Apple managed to get right is battery life on the iPhone. My wife can go for days without charging -- but you know what -- she can't even change her launcher which I'll take any day (I love my customization).

    Bottom line -- I haven't had a Moto since my old StarTac back in the days (yeah I skipped the whole Razr phase), but I'm pretty excited for my new Red leather backed badboy coming in a little over a week's time! And if history is any indication -- I really did love that StarTac!
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    09-04-2015 12:08 PM
  23. mohit9206's Avatar
    I have a few problems with this phone.
    1. 1440p resolution stretched out over 5.7 inches is an eyesore.
    Seriously its almost unusable, couldn't they have put in a 4K display?
    The pixelation is so bad that i can see individual pixels. It just looks ugly.
    2. Snapdragon 808 srs?
    Phone is slow as hell. Lags too much. Performance is terrible. Couldn't they have used Snapdragon 810? Its so slow that i can go make coffee in the time it takes to open an app.
    /sarcasm.
    jephanie likes this.
    09-04-2015 12:38 PM
  24. GeordieAffy's Avatar
    I just read the CNET review. Oh my word ... haha

    Sent from S3 via Tapatalk App.
    09-04-2015 01:22 PM
  25. SmogHog's Avatar
    I had very bad battery life with my Nexus 5 after about a year of use.Then I opened it up,removed the battery and cleaned all the contacts.After that it was nearly like it was when new.
    09-04-2015 01:44 PM
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