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  1. droidxd00d's Avatar
    I never said it was. Rather I said turning on sounds to act as notifications was unacceptable.

    Well I certainly am. I'm talking about the difference between phones I'm considering buying, one of which is the Moto X (I'm not sure I see the value in making a comparison between two phones that AREN'T different).

    I have a feeling I'm still unclear about how this notification system works, and there seems to be conflicting information in this thread.

    (1) My understanding was (is?) that when something happens, you have to wave your hand and then it will show up on the screen. This is not a notification at all, rather it is "checking your messages."

    (2) I've also read that the notification appears on the screen automatically, and it flashes until you dismiss it, which you do by waving your hand. This IS a true notification because you don't have to perform any explicit action to get it.

    If it's (1), it's a deal-killer for me because I need visual notifications from a distance. If it's (2), it's essentially the same as an LED only with a less power-efficient (but presumably easier-to-use) implementation.

    So, on the Moto X Pure Edition (I don't care about previous Motos), which is it, (1) or (2)?
    #2

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    bimbert84 likes this.
    09-20-2015 07:13 PM
  2. bimbert84's Avatar
    #2
    Thanks for the response. So to be clear, does the notification show up only once and then fade out, or does it continue to flash until I dismiss it?

    In other words, if I'm not looking when it arrives, will I still be able to see it if I glance at it from a distance later?
    09-20-2015 07:22 PM
  3. droidxd00d's Avatar
    Thanks for the response. So to be clear, does the notification show up only once and then fade out, or does it continue to flash until I dismiss it?

    In other words, if I'm not looking when it arrives, will I still be able to see it if I glance at it from a distance later?
    It continues to flash at intervals and actually has little circular icons that indicate what type of notification you have gotten. A text email missed call etc.

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    09-20-2015 07:23 PM
  4. bimbert84's Avatar
    It continues to flash at intervals and actually has little circular icons that indicate what type of notification you have gotten. A text email missed call etc.
    How long is the interval? Can it be changed?
    09-20-2015 07:31 PM
  5. Anthony_NE's Avatar
    Wash on! Wash off!
    Do you mean "Wax on. Wax off."?
    rushmore and Ry like this.
    09-20-2015 07:43 PM
  6. BlueBlazer60's Avatar
    No, I got it. But quietly looking at my phone below the surface of the conference table doesn't disrupt anyone. It's no different than looking up references or taking notes, and everyone else can continue the meeting conversation uninterrupted.

    A sound, on the other hand, immediately draws everyone's attention (eyes and ears) to the sound, and it brings the meeting conversation to a halt. Maybe that lasts for only a second or two, but it's still disruptive. If it happens once, most people will consider it an oversight. But failing to silence the phone and letting it happen again is both unprofessional and rude.
    It might not disrupt the anyone, but I have serious doubts about the lack of disruption. Maybe I am too aware of the other people in the meetingd but non-standard movements - such a looking under the table - do caught my eye. Maybe too many years as a teacher in a classroom watching 25-30 high school students.

    To me the rude and unprofessional behavior is the disrespect for the other people in the meeting and the presenter when you check and react to your phone. If you are not checking and reacting to the notification, how do you know the LED is blinking under the table? Or was it blinking on the table and you moved it under the table to check the incoming material?

    I suspect we are from different generations and have a different value set. This is probably one of those things we will just have to smile and walk on down our paths.
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    09-20-2015 07:43 PM
  7. rushmore's Avatar
    Do you mean "Wax on. Wax off."?
    Hah! I funny how that was twisted in my brain
    Anthony_NE likes this.
    09-20-2015 07:53 PM
  8. 65fastback's Avatar
    ive had multiple nexus phones in a row and got a 2014 moto x for my work phone.

    the mere fact of the moto notification system over the stupid, useless blinking LED is why I bought a moto x pure over waiting for the N5X
    Anthony_NE likes this.
    09-20-2015 08:08 PM
  9. bimbert84's Avatar
    It might not disrupt the anyone, but I have serious doubts about the lack of disruption. Maybe I am too aware of the other people in the meetingd but non-standard movements - such a looking under the table - do caught my eye. Maybe too many years as a teacher in a classroom watching 25-30 high school students.

    To me the rude and unprofessional behavior is the disrespect for the other people in the meeting and the presenter when you check and react to your phone. If you are not checking and reacting to the notification, how do you know the LED is blinking under the table? Or was it blinking on the table and you moved it under the table to check the incoming material?

    I suspect we are from different generations and have a different value set. This is probably one of those things we will just have to smile and walk on down our paths.
    Interesting side discussion. In my workplace (military engineering), phones are an integral part of the job. When I'm in a meeting, I often need to communicate with my team in the lab, often to feed status into the meeting, or to get them to prepare for a demo at the end of the meeting.

    Our meetings are rarely in the form of a single lecturer, and rarely do the range of topics affect everyone in the room at the same time. When that happens, you're expected to be quiet, but nobody expects you to stare at the wall. It's not uncommon for people to bring laptops to keep themselves busy during those down times, and it's even more common for folks to be engaged on their phones. As long as you're being quiet, the main meeting continues without interruption.

    As for generations, you may be right. I'll be 50 next year and throughout my career, this has been the standard for meeting etiquette, at least in all the companies I've worked for. Of course we used notepads and pencils before we had laptops and phones, but it was the same idea: just be quiet and nobody will be bothered.
    09-20-2015 08:34 PM
  10. Almeuit's Avatar
    Mod Note - Please keep the thread on topic. This topic is about things various people do not like on the Moto X. If you do not care to discuss this you're encourage to move along to another thread.

    Thanks.
    Uncle Louie and jazz1266 like this.
    09-20-2015 08:59 PM
  11. editorkid's Avatar
    You have to turn phone on to dismiss the LED dont you ?
    No, a couple of taps on my watch and it's gone.

    You have to silence your phone any way for meetings , so not much difference
    Actually, I use the free Timeriffic to set all volumes to 0 from 8:45 a.m. to 5:45 p.m. with priority notifications set to vibrate for contacts only. It's not just meetings. A dozen people work within earshot of my voice.

    Anyway, none of the detractors have come up with a reason not to have a multicolor notification LED (sorry for the caps). The AMOLED (sorry for the caps) Galaxy Nexus had one. Battery life is a wash between screen and LED until someone hooks it up to a voltmeter and gets some real-world numbers, and it isn't realistically among the top drains anyway. (My Nexus 5 says Light Flow uses 1% with all that activity.) You can turn it off if you're a hater. "Because they do it another way" doesn't answer "But why not both ways?" Right now my Nexus 5 LED has four different colors for an email, Periscope broadcast, and texts from two different people. I wave my hand over my X like Houdini and nothin'. The icons appear when I pick it up or jostle it, not inconspicuous at all. And the icons don't tell me who emailed or texted like the LED does. The best reason one person can come up with for arguing the point is "because I like what it's got." Meh. It needs a multicolor notification LED.
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    09-20-2015 09:10 PM
  12. bimbert84's Avatar
    Hopefully this falls in line with the mod's request.

    Concerning the new (to me) notification system: my typical usage is to set my phone down and move some distance away to do other things. I routinely glance at it, and if the LED is blinking, I'll go grab the phone at my earliest convenience and check it.

    I now know the Moto notification system will light the screen at some periodic interval, too. What I don't know is how long I'll have to look at it before it flashes on.

    Obviously, I have to look at the phone at least as long as the blink interval to be sure whether there is or isn't a notification. With my LED, that amounts to a couple seconds. That's slower than I'd like, but it's not too imposing. Does the Moto X flash with a similar interval, or is it something much longer? Can the interval be changed, and if so, what's the fastest it can be changed to?
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    09-20-2015 09:20 PM
  13. Anthony_NE's Avatar
    Hopefully this falls in line with the mod's request.

    Concerning the new (to me) notification system: my typical usage is to set my phone down and move some distance away to do other things. I routinely glance at it, and if the LED is blinking, I'll go grab the phone at my earliest convenience and check it.

    I now know the Moto notification system will light the screen at some periodic interval, too. What I don't know is how long I'll have to look at it before it flashes on.

    Obviously, I have to look at the phone at least as long as the blink interval to be sure whether there is or isn't a notification. With my LED, that amounts to a couple seconds. That's slower than I'd like, but it's not too imposing. Does the Moto X flash with a similar interval, or is it something much longer? Can the interval be changed, and if so, what's the fastest it can be changed to?
    You can also ask the phone to read your notifications aloud, so if you're in a place where speaker phone is appropriate you can say, "*launch phrase* read notifications". Not discreet, but an option.
    09-20-2015 09:39 PM
  14. Almeuit's Avatar
    You can also ask the phone to read your notifications aloud, so if you're in a place where speaker phone is appropriate you can say, "*launch phrase* read notifications". Not discreet, but an option.
    Or use the new gesture to hold it to your ear and then ask it. That way it talks into the earpiece.
    09-20-2015 09:56 PM
  15. Rogue Tomato's Avatar
    You know, there is an LED on the device and with a few changes in settings with a rooted device and a small app, XDA folks have it working. Not complex, so seems a low resource effort for Moto to add the feature for those that want it. Just saying.
    Android Pay won't work on a rooted phone. So you can't have both; it's either LED or Android Pay.

    As for the sound options, in my previous job, silenced phones were a requirement, not a courtesy, inside and outside of meetings, assuming you could even get a signal in that god forsaken building.

    Heck, we weren't even allowed to talk on the cell phone while on the job. You have an emergency? You have to step outside into the hall to handle it.
    09-20-2015 10:07 PM
  16. sulla1965's Avatar
    You can just swipe your hand over the phone to see notifications. Just takes a second to check, so no led light is no big deal IMO
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    09-20-2015 11:21 PM
  17. Anthony_NE's Avatar
    Or use the new gesture to hold it to your ear and then ask it. That way it talks into the earpiece.
    Right. But the post I quoted mentioned being made aware of notifications when the phone was out of reach. I do however love this new gesture.
    09-20-2015 11:34 PM
  18. Ry's Avatar
    The easiest thing you can do if there is something about the Moto X Pure Edition that you don't like is to simply return it and get a device that better suits your needs.
    09-21-2015 12:33 AM
  19. Tietherope's Avatar
    Not sure that's the point of this thread. Should be able to discuss likes and dislikes without being told to return the device.
    09-21-2015 07:49 AM
  20. Ry's Avatar
    Not sure that's the point of this thread. Should be able to discuss likes and dislikes without being told to return the device.
    How so? If a dislike is too much for someone, best option would be to return it and not put oneself through the misery of dealing with the same issue every single day.
    09-21-2015 08:06 AM
  21. Tietherope's Avatar
    How so? If a dislike is too much for someone, best option would be to return it and not put oneself through the misery of dealing with the same issue every single day.
    Maybe I'm reading your message the wrong way, but there can be a dislike and it still be the best phone you've ever used. If someone is pissed off and saying "I hate such and such, I can't deal with it", then I agree with you.
    2morebatteries likes this.
    09-21-2015 08:20 AM
  22. larrytxeast's Avatar
    No notification LED. No phone should ship without one. I have an AW watch and the Bluetooth is only good for 15 feet or so. When I come back to my desk I want to see if I missed any calls, messages, or emails.

    The screen sucks compared to the nexus 5. Colors are just flat and washed-out.
    Download noled from madmack. This turns the main LCD into a notification LED by having a small colored dot appear (and it moves around every 1-2 seconds for "screen saving" and so you're more apt to notice it). It thus allows you to notice missed calls, texts or emails without having to "wake up" the screen. (I can't confirm whether it works for other things like Facebook messges etc.) I've been using this app since the 1st ever Galaxy S, an AT&T Captivate, back when 4" on a phone made people go "wow, that's huge," as it was my 1st post-Blackberry phone and yes I was missing the notification LED.
    editorkid likes this.
    09-21-2015 09:29 AM
  23. tech_head's Avatar
    I'm really liking mine so far. It doesn't feel nearly as big as I thought it would due to its shape. I, too, would love it if the phone supported Qi wireless charging but it isn't a huge deal.
    There is a solution if you use a case.
    Universal Qi Wireless Charging Charger Receiver Module F Micro USB Mobile Phone | eBay
    09-21-2015 10:02 AM
  24. bimbert84's Avatar
    The easiest thing you can do if there is something about the Moto X Pure Edition that you don't like is to simply return it and get a device that better suits your needs.
    I personally think it's better to do some research before you buy. Threads like these reveal ugly truths that you won't find in the manufacturer's descriptions.
    09-21-2015 10:02 AM
  25. charliefromflorida's Avatar
    fwiw except for the initial notice I have not seen the screen activation notice repeat unless I wave my hand or pick up the phone. I think someone on this thread mentioned that functionality had been removed. I think the action was referred to as "breathing"
    09-21-2015 10:13 AM
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