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  1. Shimon Mor's Avatar
    tl;dr: hardware good, software bad

    I've only had the XPE for a couple of days but my initial impressions are pretty much what I expected. Hardware is fine but the software never has enough customization options. The reason I use Android is for customization. Unfortunately, Google is locking down Android more and more and really is making it more iPhone-like. There are less and less options to customize the software with preferences. Why? If Google is dumbing-down Android for the unwashed masses then why can't they hide customization preferences under the super-secret Developer Options (or something similar)?

    Of course, the real solution is rooting. Which is why I have rooted every smart-phone I've owned. I would prefer not to but many of the software choices made by Google and Motorola leave me no choice. And Motorola's policy of voiding (well, not really..."hardware" issues still honored) the warranty doesn't help. But, I'm going to wait for 6.0 to show up in case there are any issues.

    What annoys me many not annoy you so please don't try to persuade me that my opinions are wrong. To each his own. Writing down my complaints is therapeutic and prevents me from taking out my frustrations on the wife and ending up in prison...so bear with my long-winded therapy session. Here is what I don't like:

    1. No notification LED/Moto Display: beaten to death already. I much prefer an LED. I don't like how in a car the Moto display keeps coming on with every tiny bump. Very annoying. I keep the phone in a CD-slot cradle and the Moto display comes on constantly which is distracting.

    2. No double tap on screen to turn it on or no physical key on front. Unlocking the phone is a pain. If I don't swipe down just right the screen goes dark and I have to shake the phone to get the lock to appear again. I selected "None" for screen lock but I guess that only applies to the power button. Using the power button to turn on the phone is awkward for me. I just want to press on the screen and have it turn on. I hate lock screens and never use them. I don't need another step between me and progress. Like the late, great Mitch Hedberg said (before his untimely suicide) "I don't need another step between me and toast."

    3. Software menu/back keys sometimes disappear and you have to tap twice...once to get them to appear and another to activate them. Argg.

    4. I have to swipe down twice to get the quick settings to appear. Double Argg. Double finger swipe sometimes works but awkward for my arthritic fingers.

    5. What's with those grey half moon shapes that appear on the sides/top when you swipe and you are at the end of swipping territory? Like large, oversized, useless bump stops. Don't like them. Go away.

    6. Ascending ringtone. Stupid. Hate it.

    7. Can only get 64GB version through Motorola. I like buying hardware locally so if there is a problem I can take it back. Hate the shipping game. Only took 4 days to get it but prefer brick & mortar so I can pull it out and try it in the store to ensure all is ok before walking out the door. Don't care about color of phone. Black is fine. Don't need accent colors. It's a tool not a fashion accessory.

    8. Dialer. Defaults to speed dial. Why not give us choice to default to keypad or contacts? Simple. Make everyone happy not just one group.

    9. Would like to scroll through launcher pages in a continuous loop.

    10. I don't like my cat. Has nothing to do with the phone but I like to take every opportunity to emphasize the point.

    11. The recent apps card stack. What a mess.

    12. In the swipe down quick settings menu no way to turn auto-brightness on/off.

    13. No "reboot" in power button menu. Stupid Google.

    14. Screenshot button combo awkward. Also on the dead horse pile.

    Well, the rest of my complaints are more of the same. As you can see, most of my problems are with Google's dumbing down and over-simplification of Android. The XPE major complaint is the LED light/Moto display issue which is a personal preference; many people like it...many don't. Whatever. I knew the issue going in and this being my first Moto thought I may like it. Tried it. Don't like it.

    Of course, once I root...just about every single one of these issues can be fixed. Which is the good news. Overall, I do like the phone. Nice screen, good size, great radios and speakers, quick and zippy interface, ok camera, etc. It's a keeper.

    I'm just tired of Google. They are, after all, an ADVERTISING COMPANY first and foremost. Chrome, Android, Google Search...all tools to collect data in order to optimize ad injection. Sorry for the Google rant.

    Thanks for listening.
    11-15-2015 09:52 AM
  2. rushmore's Avatar
    Cats are cool. Nuff said.
    11-15-2015 11:50 AM
  3. Westiemom's Avatar
    Got a laugh out loud on the cat comment.....you have valid points. Thanks for sharing them. Hope you feel better now too.....

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    11-15-2015 02:19 PM
  4. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    11-15-2015 02:30 PM
  5. Shimon Mor's Avatar
    I never said I didn't like cats. I like many cats (especially Grumpy Cat). I just don't like my cat. She's my nemesis.
    11-15-2015 02:42 PM
  6. Shimon Mor's Avatar
    I told her she made my list of XPE dislikes. She was not impressed. Photo taken with the XPE.

    What do you NOT like about YOUR Moto X Pure Edition?-img_20151115_1446271125.jpg
    11-15-2015 05:03 PM
  7. kj11's Avatar
    I liken people who choose cats over dogs to people who choose the MXPE over the Note 5. Oh, you're a cat person, of course YOU are. Hahaha
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    11-15-2015 07:07 PM
  8. sharkita's Avatar
    Only thing I wish it had that it doesn't is wireless charging (had that on the Turbo) and a fingerprint scanner. But its true there's no perfect phone, its this or its that it seems.

    Been over in the Galaxy S6 forum snooping and it seems they have big problems with reception. If I had to choose between a fingerprint scanner and great reception...well, great reception wins easily.

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    I agree! I've had four Moto phones in a row and have come to take great reception for granted. Motorola has never let me down in the reception department, even the Atrix, which at the end was a very buggy phone - but it always had great reception.

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    11-15-2015 07:27 PM
  9. sharkita's Avatar
    I told her she made my list of XPE dislikes. She was not impressed. Photo taken with the XPE.

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    Of course she wasn't impressed. She's a cat. My dog feels the same about my cat, who steals his bed, steals his food, and basically makes a mockery out of any pretense of canine superiority.

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    11-15-2015 07:35 PM
  10. buggyman's Avatar
    The size. Too big

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    11-15-2015 08:11 PM
  11. Westiemom's Avatar
    I liken people who choose cats over dogs to people who choose the MXPE over the Note 5. Oh, you're a cat person, of course YOU are. Hahaha
    Well I chose the MXPE over the Note 5 and I'm definitely a dog person - notice the avatar - Lol!

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    11-15-2015 09:14 PM
  12. Westiemom's Avatar
    The size. Too big

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    I was just comparing to my husband's Nexus 6 tonight. My XP feels quite small after that! 😊

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    11-15-2015 09:17 PM
  13. Rocketsaucev2's Avatar
    The size. Too big

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    Took a gamble after being on the fence about these large phones after having a moto X 2013 and I'm super pleased with the size. It's still so usable compared to like phones, especially people with the iPhone plus models. They can't believe I have more screen but a smaller phone! I still use it with one hand 90% of the time and can't comprehend the size of the og X now when I handle it
    11-15-2015 09:30 PM
  14. Johnny Barbrarelli's Avatar
    Alright, my phone is blowing up from this thread. The phone was a flop, I'm let down too guys. My 2014 had so many great qualities and now everything is falling to **** with this model, not to mention support as well. Come join me on the nexus side boys, the waters fine.

    Posted via a different phone every time
    11-15-2015 09:32 PM
  15. Rocketsaucev2's Avatar
    Alright, my phone is blowing up from this thread. The phone was a flop, I'm let down too guys. My 2014 had so many great qualities and now everything is falling to **** with this model, not to mention support as well. Come join me on the nexus side boys, the waters fine.

    Posted via a different phone every time
    K have fun. Remember to unsubscribe
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    11-15-2015 09:52 PM
  16. Johnny Barbrarelli's Avatar
    :tup:

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    11-15-2015 09:58 PM
  17. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I told her she made my list of XPE dislikes. She was not impressed. Photo taken with the XPE.

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    I'm impressed with the quality of the picture of your cat taken with your MXPE.
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    11-15-2015 10:59 PM
  18. dmark44's Avatar
    tl;dr: hardware good, software bad

    I've only had the XPE for a couple of days but my initial impressions are pretty much what I expected. Hardware is fine but the software never has enough customization options. The reason I use Android is for customization. Unfortunately, Google is locking down Android more and more and really is making it more iPhone-like. There are less and less options to customize the software with preferences. Why? If Google is dumbing-down Android for the unwashed masses then why can't they hide customization preferences under the super-secret Developer Options (or something similar)?

    Of course, the real solution is rooting. Which is why I have rooted every smart-phone I've owned. I would prefer not to but many of the software choices made by Google and Motorola leave me no choice. And Motorola's policy of voiding (well, not really..."hardware" issues still honored) the warranty doesn't help. But, I'm going to wait for 6.0 to show up in case there are any issues.

    What annoys me many not annoy you so please don't try to persuade me that my opinions are wrong. To each his own. Writing down my complaints is therapeutic and prevents me from taking out my frustrations on the wife and ending up in prison...so bear with my long-winded therapy session. Here is what I don't like:

    1.No notification LED/Moto Display: beaten to death already. I much prefer an LED. I don't like how in a car the Moto display keeps coming on with every tiny bump. Very annoying. I keep the phone in a CD-slot cradle and the Moto display comes on constantly which is distracting.

    2. No double tap on screen to turn it on or no physical key on front. Unlocking the phone is a pain. If I don't swipe down just right the screen goes dark and I have to shake the phone to get the lock to appear again. I selected "None" for screen lock but I guess that only applies to the power button. Using the power button to turn on the phone is awkward for me. I just want to press on the screen and have it turn on. I hate lock screens and never use them. I don't need another step between me and progress. Like the late, great Mitch Hedberg said (before his untimely suicide) "I don't need another step between me and toast."

    3.Software menu/back keys sometimes disappear and you have to tap twice...once to get them to appear and another to activate them. Argg.

    4.I have to swipe down twice to get the quick settings to appear. Double Argg. Double finger swipe sometimes works but awkward for my arthritic fingers.

    5.What's with those grey half moon shapes that appear on the sides/top when you swipe and you are at the end of swipping territory? Like large, oversized, useless bump stops. Don't like them. Go away.

    6.Ascending ringtone. Stupid. Hate it.

    7.Can only get 64GB version through Motorola. I like buying hardware locally so if there is a problem I can take it back. Hate the shipping game. Only took 4 days to get it but prefer brick & mortar so I can pull it out and try it in the store to ensure all is ok before walking out the door. Don't care about color of phone. Black is fine. Don't need accent colors. It's a tool not a fashion accessory.

    8. Dialer. Defaults to speed dial. Why not give us choice to default to keypad or contacts? Simple. Make everyone happy not just one group.

    9.Would like to scroll through launcher pages in a continuous loop.

    10.I don't like my cat. Has nothing to do with the phone but I like to take every opportunity to emphasize the point.

    11.The recent apps card stack. What a mess.

    12.In the swipe down quick settings menu no way to turn auto-brightness on/off.

    13.No "reboot" in power button menu. Stupid Google.

    14.Screenshot button combo awkward. Also on the dead horse pile.

    Well, the rest of my complaints are more of the same. As you can see, most of my problems are with Google's dumbing down and over-simplification of Android. The XPE major complaint is the LED light/Moto display issue which is a personal preference; many people like it...many don't. Whatever. I knew the issue going in and this being my first Moto thought I may like it. Tried it. Don't like it.

    Of course, once I root...just about every single one of these issues can be fixed. Which is the good news. Overall, I do like the phone. Nice screen, good size, great radios and speakers, quick and zippy interface, ok camera, etc. It's a keeper.

    I'm just tired of Google. They are, after all, an ADVERTISING COMPANY first and foremost. Chrome, Android, Google Search...all tools to collect data in order to optimize ad injection. Sorry for the Google rant.

    Thanks for listening.
    I don't think all of those things require root to modify. A couple of them can be fixed in settings, I believe, they're just not the default, and some others can be fixed by a custom launcher like Nova.
    11-16-2015 07:31 AM
  19. rushmore's Avatar
    Alright, my phone is blowing up from this thread. The phone was a flop, I'm let down too guys. My 2014 had so many great qualities and now everything is falling to **** with this model, not to mention support as well. Come join me on the nexus side boys, the waters fine.

    Posted via a different phone every time
    Have fun! Live in peace and long live the cloud! Nah, forget the latter part of that

    Cats are cool
    Dogs are cool
    MXPE is cool
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    11-16-2015 11:21 AM
  20. captainkirkw's Avatar
    My single biggest gripe about the size is the top heavy feel. The tear drop shape was perfect for the original Moto X, buy maybe not so good for such a tall phone.

    I'm amazed at how much I can do one handed with this beast, but the top wanting to teeter out of my hand makes it a little precarious to try.

    I held a Maxx 2 in-store. I wish they used that form factor with Pure specs for the Pure design. It's a little shorter, slightly lighter, so less top heavy. The lesser width (2.9") doesn't sound like much, but gives a noticeably more comfortable and assured grip for my hand.
    I too find it top heavy. I better not check out the new Droids as that will drive me crazy. Although I would not swap since I am not on Verizon but hopefully next years Moto X will remedy the heft.
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    11-17-2015 11:20 AM
  21. PeltFrelken's Avatar
    The Galaxy 6 sucks. Avoid it at all costs.

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    11-18-2015 12:44 AM
  22. crusty210's Avatar
    I wish the battery life was better and it gets extremely hot after using navigation
    11-20-2015 05:17 PM
  23. turbo93's Avatar
    First post to this forum and welcome everyone. I bought a Motorola X Pure for my college daughter after her aging iPhone 5 had a liquid experience . She kind of hates it being an Apple fangirl (Dad can I load apps on Android?) but she has warmed up to it. So I bought one for myself after my arthritic fingers and cataract eyes protested the 4" screen of my equally aging iPhone 5.

    First two weeks - lots of getting used to it. The Migrate app does not work. Had to re-buy several apps (including a $8 backgammon app). I'm no stranger to Android or Lollipop as I am an embedded software developer and write code for car radios that deal with phones... Also have a Dell Venue 8 7000 Lollipop tablet.

    What I don't like - size is an issue but even 5" is not much smaller. Micro USB is nowhere near Lightning. I wish USB Type C... Battery life is OK but with the insane charger not an issue. Pure Lollipop? Well, its too Pure for my taste so I have swapped out some apps for replacements. Texting is an issue, I tried every app and settled on Handcent only to run into MMS pic size issues. And phone gets warm - load GSam battery monitor to see how hot, maybe 105F to 110F if I charge and play Angry Birds at the same time. Stock media player is - for lack of a better word - unfriendly. Camera is good once you figure out what to do.

    Build quality is very good, definitely flagship level. Display is extremely good, audio quality excellent with the right headphones, speed is a non issue (no slowdowns on, say, Angry Birds 2). Most issues I have are minor to trivial and are Lollipop specific.

    Value wise it is exceptional. I'll be picking another for my younger kid as a graduation gift.
    11-21-2015 09:51 AM
  24. dmark44's Avatar

    First two weeks - lots of getting used to it. The Migrate app does not work. Had to re-buy several apps (including a $8 backgammon app).
    Migrate app worked perfect for me, though i was coming from another Motorola (2013 Moto X.)

    Google Play should remember what you've bought before. All I can think of is that I have a few apps from the Amazon App Store, and they obviously didn't reload when I did the Google restore. Other than that you may have bought a tablet-only version.
    11-21-2015 04:00 PM
  25. Westiemom's Avatar
    Migrate app worked flawlessly, but I was coming from another Motorola phone. As for apps, I had a game that did not transfer some extra features I had paid for or game progress. I went to Play store and found the developer email address and sent an email. The developer responded within 4 hours and told me how to remedy that and get what I had paid for and my progress. (The game was Blendoku.)

    I have found most developers of better apps are glad to help when you have an issue. You should never have to pay again for an app purchased in the Play store.

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    11-21-2015 04:45 PM
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