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  1. diesel97's Avatar
    At a minimum, it is an absolute waste of power. Instead of turning on one or two leds, let's turn on several MILLION of them! Obviously more power draw with a notification LED than one on a display, but an itty-bitty-teeny-tiny minuscule fraction of an entire display. Seems nuts, but JMO.
    I dont see the big deal that little blink means nothing to a battery,those LED lights will use more because they keep blinking until you address them on the moto x if your in a meeting and it blinks you just wave your hand and it stops blinking with turning your phone on like you have to with the pretty color ones
    09-20-2015 03:24 PM
  2. editorkid's Avatar
    People in this thread are taking the LED thing so seriously I can't tell if it's a joke or not.
    And like Ry said, this isn't new. It's the third Moto with no LED. Third!
    And like bimbert84 said, I also wasn't aware of that because I wasn't in the market for phones then. I've been happy with the Nexus phones. And since the display type changed from the other two, Motorola should have kept thinking it through.

    I respect that a notofication LED isn't a checklist item for you, but why does it bother you that it is for some of us? It's a simple feature to add with minimal effect on battery life and end cost that greatly improves the quality of the phone for a lot of users. People who don't want to use it can really easily disable it. Why is this bothering you?
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    09-20-2015 03:27 PM
  3. rushmore's Avatar
    I dont see the big deal that little blink means nothing to a battery,those LED lights will use more because they keep blinking until you address them on the moto x if your in a meeting and it blinks you just wave your hand and it stops blinking with turning your phone on like you have to with the pretty color ones
    If you are not battery life sensitive, I agree 100%. I am running tests to see how battery life pans out with all the bling (IMO) off or on. Initial reports from a few XDA users are it is noticeably better with the stuff off and my very early findings suggest the same. Way too early to see how much it really is though.
    09-20-2015 03:28 PM
  4. diesel97's Avatar
    Of course it will save battery with it off. My point was the color LEDs that have to manually acknowledge probably use more battery than just waving your hand.


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    09-20-2015 03:34 PM
  5. editorkid's Avatar
    That is absolutely wrong. Yes, if you wave your hand over it, it will wake up............but the screen automatically displays notifications as they come in, and will continue to "breathe" (illuminate the notifications at an interval) automatically until you check the notification. No action is necessary on your part, aside from looking at the screen.
    This is not my experience. The LED on my Nexus 5 on wifi is blinking away like it's at a rave and my Moto X Pure's screen has been black since I sat down 20 minutes ago.
    09-20-2015 03:34 PM
  6. bimbert84's Avatar
    You missed my point... If someone is responding to what triggered the notification, that's disruptive. If you're in a meeting and don't intend to use your phone, what difference does it make if you have a notification light blinking or not?
    No, I got it. But quietly looking at my phone below the surface of the conference table doesn't disrupt anyone. It's no different than looking up references or taking notes, and everyone else can continue the meeting conversation uninterrupted.

    A sound, on the other hand, immediately draws everyone's attention (eyes and ears) to the sound, and it brings the meeting conversation to a halt. Maybe that lasts for only a second or two, but it's still disruptive. If it happens once, most people will consider it an oversight. But failing to silence the phone and letting it happen again is both unprofessional and rude.
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    09-20-2015 03:44 PM
  7. diesel97's Avatar
    No, I got it. But quietly looking at my phone below the surface of the conference table doesn't disrupt anyone. It's no different than looking up references or taking notes, and everyone else can continue the meeting conversation uninterrupted.

    A sound, on the other hand, immediately draws everyone's attention (eyes and ears) to the sound, and it brings the meeting conversation to a halt. Maybe that lasts for only a second or two, but it's still disruptive. If it happens once, most people will consider it an oversight. But failing to silence the phone and letting it happen again is both unprofessional and rude.
    We get the sound being a problem in a meeting and the reason I brought that up to start with is because you started out sitting in your living room with phone across the room. Thats why i mentioned sound notifications .

    You can have both, when in the meeting you silence your phone (as you should) and then you would have a nice quiet dim screen notification with a slight gesture goes away.

    When at home you would have sound notifications
    09-20-2015 03:57 PM
  8. demontooth's Avatar
    Needs double tap to wake.
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    09-20-2015 03:57 PM
  9. bimbert84's Avatar
    Of course it will save battery with it off. My point was the color LEDs that have to manually acknowledge probably use more battery than just waving your hand.


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    I think the comparison is between flashing a notification LED or lighting the screen. I think it's safe to say the LED will draw significantly less power than lighting up the entire screen (even if most of the pixels are black).

    If the screen is NOT lit in some persistent or periodic way, then it's not providing a notification at all, and we're back to having to "check your messages."
    09-20-2015 03:58 PM
  10. diesel97's Avatar
    I think the comparison is between flashing a notification LED or lighting the screen. I think it's safe to say the LED will draw significantly less power than lighting up the entire screen (even if most of the pixels are black).

    If the screen is NOT lit in some persistent or periodic way, then it's not providing a notification at all, and we're back to having to "check your messages."
    You missed my point , If you have hour long meeting and that LED flashs for a hour its going to take up more battery then one flash of screen that you dismiss with a wave of the hand
    09-20-2015 04:03 PM
  11. bimbert84's Avatar
    We get the sound being a problem in a meeting and the reason I brought that up to start with is because you started out sitting in your living room with phone across the room. Thats why i mentioned sound notifications .

    You can have both, when in the meeting you silence your phone (as you should) and then you would have a nice quiet dim screen notification with a slight gesture goes away.

    When at home you would have sound notifications
    Agreed. I acknowledged that from the beginning when I said sounds might work when I'm home, but not during a meeting.

    In any event, now I have to change the way I do things, and I have to remember to silence and unsilence sounds depending on what I'm doing. That's an extra hassle I have to worry about so I can have a feature I don't need. In other words, it sacrifices simplicity for style.

    The LED is simple and works effectively in all situations. Why take it away?
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    09-20-2015 04:10 PM
  12. bimbert84's Avatar
    You missed my point , If you have hour long meeting and that LED flashs for a hour its going to take up more battery then one flash of screen that you dismiss with a wave of the hand
    You're playing on an unlevel field.

    If I'm close enough to wave my hand, I'm close enough to dismiss the LED. If I'm not close enough, both would flash for an hour.

    In either case, the screen will draw more power than the LED.
    09-20-2015 04:15 PM
  13. rushmore's Avatar
    Wash on! Wash off!
    09-20-2015 04:31 PM
  14. Rakeshkotla's Avatar
    I have been using my moto x 2nd gen from last year , such a beautiful phone it is. Suddenly I fell in love with Android just because of this device. However this third gen device has lage screen which is the only thing I hate about it. 5.2 inch is far better and they should make it default. If you keep moto x 2nd gen next to I phone 6 then you feel the difference in size, some times I always wonder how they made it so compcat even it is 5.2 inch.
    09-20-2015 04:38 PM
  15. diesel97's Avatar
    The LED is simple and works effectively in all situations. Why take it away?
    They didnt take it away the Moto X never had it


    If I'm close enough to wave my hand, I'm close enough to dismiss the LED. If I'm not close enough, both would flash for an hour.
    You have to turn phone on to dismiss the LED dont you ?

    You have to silence your phone any way for meetings , so not much difference
    09-20-2015 04:42 PM
  16. kj11's Avatar
    Agreed. I acknowledged that from the beginning when I said sounds might work when I'm home, but not during a meeting.

    In any event, now I have to change the way I do things, and I have to remember to silence and unsilence sounds depending on what I'm doing. That's an extra hassle I have to worry about so I can have a feature I don't need. In other words, it sacrifices simplicity for style.

    The LED is simple and works effectively in all situations. Why take it away?
    I definitely agree with you, I like the notification light, hopefully the "breathing" (I liked that analogy) feature will be enough to make up for no light for me. I'm debating between the XPE and note 5, and while the notification light alone won't be enough to sway me, it is a plus in the note 5 column
    09-20-2015 04:49 PM
  17. sharkita's Avatar
    I think that promise is presumptuous. Different people prefer different things. I happen to prefer substance over style, and would NEVER be willing to sacrifice simplicity or battery life for the sake of a flashy "new" feature.

    Now I think a useful, best-of-both-worlds combination would be to have the LED provide the notification, and then have a hand wave provide more detail on the screen. I can see zero drawback to providing this as an option, and prior to this thread, that's how I thought it actually DID work.
    I completely understand how folks miss LED notifications at first, but a lot of these same concerns were voiced back when the 2013 Moto X came out, so there's nothing new at all being said here. Moto nerds like myself adapted and fell in love with Moto Display, truly thinking it's one of the best features of a Moto X. But of course I'm well aware that doesn't mean it's right for everybody, and a Moto X may not be the best choice for you. After all, I work in an office filled with what seems like a sea of iPhones so I'm used to being the only one who thinks Android is superior - let alone Motorola. If I had a nickel for every time someone said to me "Is that the latest Samsung?" I could retire right about now.
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    09-20-2015 05:11 PM
  18. Rocketsaucev2's Avatar
    I completely understand how folks miss LED notifications at first, but a lot of these same concerns were voiced back when the 2013 Moto X came out, so there's nothing new at all being said here. Moto nerds like myself adapted and fell in love with Moto Display, truly thinking it's one of the best features of a Moto X. But of course I'm well aware that doesn't mean it's right for everybody, and a Moto X may not be the best choice for you. After all, I work in an office filled with what seems like a sea of iPhones so I'm used to being the only one who thinks Android is superior - let alone Motorola. If I had a nickel for every time someone said to me "Is that the latest Samsung?" I could retire right about now.
    Haha I 100% agree with you. I had a galaxy s6 for a few months and loathed the led light after using a 1st gen moto X until then. Now I'm back with the Moto X and couldn't be happier. Imo the Moto display is so much more elegant than the led light, and I felt the light was hyper and obnoxious in how often it kept blinking. I hope some people with doubts in this thread at least give the Moto display a chance before denouncing it, because it may just win you over! And so far after a little over a week with this baby the Moto display on an lcd doesn't seem to waste any battery. Love my Moto X

    Sent from my XT1575
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    09-20-2015 06:22 PM
  19. Rogue Tomato's Avatar
    You missed my point... If someone is responding to what triggered the notification, that's disruptive. If you're in a meeting and don't intend to use your phone, what difference does it make if you have a notification light blinking or not?
    It tells me something, a potentially important something, needs my attention after the meeting. That's useful to me. I'm a "out of sight, out of mind" kind of person. I don't check my phone often. So if I don't get a notification, I won't bother to check my phone after the meeting.
    09-20-2015 06:40 PM
  20. EJT's Avatar
    This is not my experience. The LED on my Nexus 5 on wifi is blinking away like it's at a rave and my Moto X Pure's screen has been black since I sat down 20 minutes ago.
    Nah, it works no problem. Been using it since I got the phone. Way better than ambient display on My N6.....or the LED on my M7, or my Gnex, or my Droid2, or my OG Droid, or my blackberry or...... Well, you get the picture.

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    09-20-2015 06:45 PM
  21. charliefromflorida's Avatar
    Nah, it works no problem. Been using it since I got the phone. Way better than ambient display on My N6.....or the LED on my M7, or my Gnex, or my Droid2, or my OG Droid, or my blackberry or...... Well, you get the picture.

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    Is there something you need to turn on in order to get the "breathing" screen?
    09-20-2015 06:59 PM
  22. bimbert84's Avatar
    They didnt take it away the Moto X never had it
    Other phones have had it since the beginning. Moto X made a conscious decision to take it away.


    You have to turn phone on to dismiss the LED dont you ?
    Sure. And you have to turn it on to dismiss the screen. The only difference is HOW you turn it on: you wave your hand, I push a button. I don't see a relevant difference.


    You have to silence your phone any way for meetings , so not much difference
    Actually I don't. I always leave notification sounds turned off. I use the LED exclusively, which is why it's such a big deal to me.
    09-20-2015 07:07 PM
  23. diesel97's Avatar
    Other phones have had it since the beginning. Moto X made a conscious decision to take it away.
    We are not talking about other phones
    Sure. And you have to turn it on to dismiss the screen. The only difference is HOW you turn it on: you wave your hand, I push a button. I don't see a relevant difference.
    no you dont have to turn your phone on . the hand wave dismisses the notifiction
    Actually I don't. I always leave notification sounds turned off. I use the LED exclusively, which is why it's such a big deal to me.
    So phone call in the middle of meating is no bid thing

    have fun with you x-mas tree lights , i'm done
    09-20-2015 07:22 PM
  24. rushmore's Avatar
    You know, there is an LED on the device and with a few changes in settings with a rooted device and a small app, XDA folks have it working. Not complex, so seems a low resource effort for Moto to add the feature for those that want it. Just saying.
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    09-20-2015 07:38 PM
  25. bimbert84's Avatar
    So phone call in the middle of meating is no bid thing
    I never said it was. Rather I said turning on sounds to act as notifications was unacceptable.

    We are not talking about other phones
    Well I certainly am. I'm talking about the difference between phones I'm considering buying, one of which is the Moto X (I'm not sure I see the value in making a comparison between two phones that AREN'T different).

    no you dont have to turn your phone on . the hand wave dismisses the notifiction
    I have a feeling I'm still unclear about how this notification system works, and there seems to be conflicting information in this thread.

    (1) My understanding was (is?) that when something happens, you have to wave your hand and then it will show up on the screen. This is not a notification at all, rather it is "checking your messages."

    (2) I've also read that the notification appears on the screen automatically, and it flashes until you dismiss it, which you do by waving your hand. This IS a true notification because you don't have to perform any explicit action to get it.

    If it's (1), it's a deal-killer for me because I need visual notifications from a distance. If it's (2), it's essentially the same as an LED only with a less power-efficient (but presumably easier-to-use) implementation.

    So, on the Moto X Pure Edition (I don't care about previous Motos), which is it, (1) or (2)?
    09-20-2015 08:02 PM
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