11-22-2015 09:53 PM
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  1. eyecon82's Avatar
    In what way? I'm just curious

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    Better camera. Better display just to name a few
    11-02-2015 04:12 PM
  2. THARD11's Avatar
    Now that my battery issue has fixed it self I could not ask for a better phone. Really enjoying mine. Only issue is I should have gotten the 32GB model. I did not realize the OP system would use that much storage.
    11-02-2015 04:34 PM
  3. andy a's Avatar
    Now that my battery issue has fixed it self I could not ask for a better phone. Really enjoying mine. Only issue is I should have gotten the 32GB model. I did not realize the OP system would use that much storage.
    Out of interest what sot are you getting and what happened with your battery life?
    11-02-2015 05:02 PM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    I currently use the MXPE and Nexus 6 as my daily drivers. The Nexus 6 is my personal device and so far it is quite a bit better at media things; movies, games, music - that's my go to device. There's a weird thing happening where the Nexus 6 screen LOOKS better in most situations, but the MXPE screen IS better, in terms of accuracy, PPI and power efficiency. Generally, darker bold colors look better on the Nexus's AMOLED screen and bright colors and especially white look better on the IPS MXPE display.

    Camera is an area I think that the MXPE is better, but there are still a few situations that make me want the Nexus camera.

    Battery life is a hard one for me to gauge. The MXPE is my work device, so I use it differently. I use it for frequently throughout the day for very short tasks. My Nexus 6 I tend to use less frequently, but in larger blocks of time. Both have no problem lasting all day, but for the way I use them, the Nexus is more likely to last longer into the second day. Typically I charge one phone or the other at night, but if I'm above 50% or so I'll leave it off the charger. Battery Widget Reborn says that I get an average of 28 hours and 32 minutes on the MXPE and I don't use that app anymore on my Nexus 6, but I've very used to getting 4-6 hours of SOT over 30-36 hours. I can get to 40-48 hours with lower SOT and I can kill it in 24 hours with higher SOT but I rarely do that. I tend to flip between phones and tablets and other toys relatively frequently, so playing with one device for many hours is pretty rare for me.

    Overall build I feel like the MXPE feels better, although I like the bigger display of the Nexus and I'm not really a fan of the metal bar on the back of the MXPE.

    I'll be receiving a Nexus 6P that I bought at some point in the future and I think it'll be replacing the Nexus 6, but will have some more food for thought on exactly what I like and don't like when I get to play with that one.
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    11-02-2015 05:09 PM
  5. csetoue's Avatar
    Nice review Laura,

    I don't need a new phone as I have a perfectly good Sony Xperia Z3 BUT I am weak and love trying new phones and I really want a bigger screen as well but I don't want to pay silly money for one as in the UK we get ripped off anyway!

    So for me it came down to the Style or the 6P but the Nexus is £150 more than the Style and I don't think it's worth that difference so I am going to order the Style and sell my Xperia but I just hope the battery life is good enough for me!

    The only problem I have is that the store I will be buying it from don't have it in stock and I don't want my wife to know I am changing my phone so I will call in today and see if they can get one into store as Linda works from home so she would receive the parcel! I will have to buy the standard black rubber back design as that's all they do but I am fine with that but the good thing is this department store give you a two year guarantee on the handset so it is worth going with the black one :-)
    LOL.

    Ive came to Moto X Pure from Z3, too.

    Z3 is an excelent device.

    Im getting 4-5 hours of screen on time with M2015PE.

    Its better than Z3 on: loudspeaker, screen, camera, system smoothness (not that much, because Z3 is already very fluid), radio reception, and hand gripness (Z3 is a bit slippy).

    Its worst than Z3 on: battery life, and it doesnt has wrist strap holes.
    11-02-2015 05:28 PM
  6. deadpenguins's Avatar
    LOL.

    Ive came to Moto X Pure from Z3, too.

    Z3 is an excelent device.

    Im getting 4-5 hours of screen on time with M2015PE.

    Its better than Z3 on: loudspeaker, screen, camera, system smoothness (not that much, because Z3 is already very fluid), radio reception, and hand gripness (Z3 is a bit slippy).

    Its worst than Z3 on: battery life, and it doesnt has wrist strap holes.
    Wow that's way more than my experience. Are you on wifi all day? If I'm on wifi I can *maybe* get 3.5 hours throughout a day. On LTE I'm looking at 2.5-3. Cell standby is often equal generally around my screen usage (my signal is generally yellow/green too, but is never dark green. I live on long Island so this really confuses me).

    My real concerning issue is how incredibly hot this thing gets. I have never felt the need to download a temp monitoring app but I did with this and I regularly see 110-120 F from doing simple things like browsing. For example, I'm at 112 right now and I'm just reading articles on chrome. Maybe I should send it back, because I am not comfortable keeping a device that gets this hot from so little
    11-02-2015 07:19 PM
  7. csetoue's Avatar
    Wow that's way more than my experience. Are you on wifi all day? If I'm on wifi I can *maybe* get 3.5 hours throughout a day. On LTE I'm looking at 2.5-3. Cell standby is often equal generally around my screen usage (my signal is generally yellow/green too, but is never dark green. I live on long Island so this really confuses me).

    My real concerning issue is how incredibly hot this thing gets. I have never felt the need to download a temp monitoring app but I did with this and I regularly see 110-120 F from doing simple things like browsing. For example, I'm at 112 right now and I'm just reading articles on chrome. Maybe I should send it back, because I am not comfortable keeping a device that gets this hot from so little
    There are somethings that Im used to do since my first android device looking for better battery life:
    - Manually turn on/off GPS, LTE/3G, WIFI and BT.
    - Screen auto-dim.
    - Keep using 3G/H+, and switch to 4G/LTE only when needed.
    - WiFi when its possible (I rarely use WiFi).
    - Close or uninstall all apps that drain too much battery (Facebook Messenger, i.e.)

    My device only got hot when I tried a PSOne emulator (Im not a heavy gamer). In your case, maybe there is an app on background putting an extra weight on SoC.

    Before I got the M2015PE, I was very pessimistic about the battery life. So, I kept for a while my Z3. After getting frequently 4h-5h of SoT on M2015PE, I gave the Z3 to my father.
    11-02-2015 07:38 PM
  8. deadpenguins's Avatar
    There are somethings that Im used to do since my first android device looking for better battery life:
    - Manually turn on/off GPS, LTE/3G, WIFI and BT.
    - Screen auto-dim.
    - Keep using 3G/H+, and switch to 4G/LTE only when needed.
    - WiFi when its possible (I rarely use WiFi).
    - Close or uninstall all apps that drain too much battery (Facebook Messenger, i.e.)

    My device only got hot when I tried a PSOne emulator (Im not a heavy gamer). In your case, maybe there is an app on background putting an extra weight on SoC.

    Before I got the M2015PE, I was very pessimistic about the battery life. So, I kept for a while my Z3. After getting frequently 4h-5h of SoT on M2015PE, I gave the Z3 to my father.
    I have my brightness super low all the time and I do all the other things you do (except toggle 3g/4g but I have my heating issues on wifi). I haven't even installed Facebook or Instagram because I'm afraid to get even worse battery life. I have barely any apps on my phone and gsam isn't reporting any rogue app activity. I just always have poor reception and my phone will just be 100 degrees sitting on the table. I think I may be sending it back, this just a doesn't feel right. It's a shame too because I like almost everything else about the device
    11-02-2015 07:47 PM
  9. eyecon82's Avatar
    I have my brightness super low all the time and I do all the other things you do (except toggle 3g/4g but I have my heating issues on wifi). I haven't even installed Facebook or Instagram because I'm afraid to get even worse battery life. I have barely any apps on my phone and gsam isn't reporting any rogue app activity. I just always have poor reception and my phone will just be 100 degrees sitting on the table. I think I may be sending it back, this just a doesn't feel right. It's a shame too because I like almost everything else about the device
    Strange. My phone doesn't get hotter than 110f. When running google maps, slacker, wifi, Bluetooth, and charging on the quick charger
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    11-02-2015 08:48 PM
  10. THARD11's Avatar
    Out of interest what sot are you getting and what happened with your battery life?
    I'm getting about 3.5 hrs SOT. My battery issue was that BT was eating my battery and could not figure out why. Then it just stopped for some reason.
    11-02-2015 09:59 PM
  11. LongbranchPennywhistle's Avatar
    Strange. My phone doesn't get hotter than 110f. When running google maps, slacker, wifi, Bluetooth, and charging on the quick charger
    Same, mine doesn't ever really get hot it seems. Only when charging and doing something on it does it get hot-ish. But other than that it stays cool. My previous phone overheated often enough that it swole 2 different batteries (never did anything about, never could, told AT&T about it and they said to **** off it's fine), this thing is a dream heat-wise to me, but I could just be biased. I haven't had it get warm at all with normal use.

    Although, I do always have bluetooth off unless I'm using it, but other than that, everything else is usually on.
    11-02-2015 10:00 PM
  12. Hendry775's Avatar
    My MXPE usually stays at around 91 F or less when I am using it for anything except gaming. When gaming, it goes up to a max of 107 F....reached 109 F too but that was only twice when I also had LTE on while playing games.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    11-02-2015 10:54 PM
  13. deadpenguins's Avatar
    Same, mine doesn't ever really get hot it seems. Only when charging and doing something on it does it get hot-ish. But other than that it stays cool. My previous phone overheated often enough that it swole 2 different batteries (never did anything about, never could, told AT&T about it and they said to **** off it's fine), this thing is a dream heat-wise to me, but I could just be biased. I haven't had it get warm at all with normal use.

    Although, I do always have bluetooth off unless I'm using it, but other than that, everything else is usually on.
    Damn haha, that sounds like a volcano of a phone. I have never had a device that even approaches how hot this thing gets daily. It just makes me concerned about long term use if it's already freaking out on me. I have gps/Bluetooth off always if I'm not using it because my battery life is so bad. I also never go above 20% brightness unless I'm in the sun, in which case it's like 50-60.
    11-02-2015 11:35 PM
  14. deadpenguins's Avatar
    My MXPE usually stays at around 91 F or less when I am using it for anything except gaming. When gaming, it goes up to a max of 107 F....reached 109 F too but that was only twice when I also had LTE on while playing games.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    I just picked it up after charging and it's only at 90. It's not consistently problematic, but it's been catching my attention lately. I can't even imagine what it would be like charging while using GPS or playing Internet based games on LTE. I played a 2d physics game yesterday and it hit 125. I played bean quest today and hit 120. Both of games were maybe 15 mins playing and they aren't even really intensive games. Maybe I should just go all out with a crazy 3d game to see if it skyrockets, that way I really know if I have a problem..
    11-02-2015 11:38 PM
  15. andy a's Avatar
    I'm getting about 3.5 hrs SOT. My battery issue was that BT was eating my battery and could not figure out why. Then it just stopped for some reason.
    The battery life is the thing that stopped me getting this phone earlier as I had an LG G3 which had really poor battery life at around 3 hours so 3.5 hours isn't much better but of course I know we all use them differently
    11-03-2015 02:27 AM
  16. THARD11's Avatar
    The battery life is the thing that stopped me getting this phone earlier as I had an LG G3 which had really poor battery life at around 3 hours so 3.5 hours isn't much better but of course I know we all use them differently
    I usually have my brightness set to around 75-80% if I moved that down some it would help to extend battery life I know. I can get through a whole day this way usually so I just leave it there to see screen better in daylight.
    11-03-2015 09:33 AM
  17. Stanley Kubrick's Avatar
    I still do not think it's the "phone" that is causing the high heat for some people. I think it's the battery. The battery is a chemical reaction that produces the electricity to run the phone. These devices are built to certain specs that have to be met or they will not function. The software out of the box "should" be identical as it's digital. That leaves the battery which is a combination of various elements and chemicals that interact with one another to produce electricity. If the chemical reaction is off one way or another then you will get excessive heat. If we could just swap the battery I believe this would prove my point. Besides, when we return these things due to overheating what do you think Moto is doing with them to resolve the issue so they can re-purpose them as refurb's? They are replacing the batteries first. If that fixes the issue - done. If not....then maybe they scrap them and right it off of their taxes.
    11-03-2015 01:27 PM
  18. Jason Bringhurst's Avatar
    It is a very, very lovable phone, isn't it? I just have to add that the screen is BRIGHT. I mean, it's one of the brightest displays I've ever seen. Turn off adaptive brightness and max the slider out and you'll see what I mean. I love that it's RGB stripe too, so it doesn't look like it's missing pixels like the 1080p Pentile AMOLED screen in the X2 (noticeable with Moto Display between the X1 and X2).

    The front facing stereo speakers are awesome. The stereo separation is superb, which is crazy for a phone.

    I got a 64GB as well with Ash wood, white/champagne, and champagne accents. It's beautiful. eMMC is made by Samsung and appears to be a 200MB/s read, 60MB/s write eMMC 5.0 chip. Stout performance.

    I consistently achieved over 5 hours of SOT, with a high of 6h 22m.
    11-03-2015 08:43 PM
  19. Josiah23's Avatar
    Nice review! for some reason the Moto X Pure reminds me of the Nexus 6. I love phones that are unlocked and carrier bloat free!
    11-03-2015 09:06 PM
  20. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Nice review! for some reason the Moto X Pure reminds me of the Nexus 6. I love phones that are unlocked and carrier bloat free!
    Moto made the Nexus 6. The Moto X Pure Edition is not quite as wide as the Nexus 6, and I like that the Moto X Pure Edition is a bit more narrow.
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    11-03-2015 09:16 PM
  21. Josiah23's Avatar
    I really like how you can customize it on moto maker! From storage, back cover to engravings and a greeting messages.
    11-03-2015 09:27 PM
  22. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I really like how you can customize it on moto maker! From storage, back cover to engravings and a greeting messages.
    That's something no other OEM is doing and is definitely nice.
    davidnc and Josiah23 like this.
    11-04-2015 11:49 AM
  23. Josiah23's Avatar
    That's something no other OEM is doing and is definitely nice.
    Do you have any plans for customizing it or keeping the ROM, kernel, and recovery stock?
    11-04-2015 04:38 PM
  24. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Do you have any plans for customizing it or keeping the ROM, kernel, and recovery stock?
    Not at this point, but possibly later.
    11-04-2015 04:45 PM
  25. rushmore's Avatar
    I still do not think it's the "phone" that is causing the high heat for some people. I think it's the battery. The battery is a chemical reaction that produces the electricity to run the phone. These devices are built to certain specs that have to be met or they will not function. The software out of the box "should" be identical as it's digital. That leaves the battery which is a combination of various elements and chemicals that interact with one another to produce electricity. If the chemical reaction is off one way or another then you will get excessive heat. If we could just swap the battery I believe this would prove my point. Besides, when we return these things due to overheating what do you think Moto is doing with them to resolve the issue so they can re-purpose them as refurb's? They are replacing the batteries first. If that fixes the issue - done. If not....then maybe they scrap them and right it off of their taxes.
    If the battery was defective to cause the heat, it would not maintain full capacitance. For lack of better less technical description, it would be like a short in the cells causing heat to build.

    The heat seems mainly due to any app that tries to push 1440p with a GPU that is at it's ceiling pushing math to 1440p. This is why some apps and games do not run hot and others do. Some scale to 720p or 1080p and some do not, since the dev overlooked it or chose not to. 1440p res for a GPU to push on a phone display is overkill X4.

    If the battery lasted just a few hours I would lean towards the battery as well, but seems enough anecdotal info now to lean to an over taxed GPU.

    The GPU though could be adding to battery heat and that is not good either.

    Good examples of apps that stress the MXPE's GPU is VR content (pushes native display res up to 1440p) and the game Guns for Hire. Guns for Hire pushes full native res and stutters badly. It plays smooth as butter on the Note 4 with 805 chipset and the Tab S with an Exynos chipset. Both have GPUs designed to handle 1440p.

    Then again, games that scale 1080p are smooth: GTA 3, Vice City, Nova 3, MC3, 4 and 5, Dead Effect 2 are just a few that play smooth. Apps that push 1440p choke the MXPE. Video content though at 1440p does not push the GPU since no real math to calculate. The GPU calculations pushing 1440p is what probably causes the main heat concerns.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    11-04-2015 08:00 PM
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