1. ttenpas's Avatar
    Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm certainly no expert.
    Is it safe to install the KitKat OTA if I have root access and TWRP (and unlocked bootloader)? I'm not worried about losing root since I only needed it to restore some things from my old phone, but I don't want to brick my phone with the update.
    11-25-2013 01:39 PM
  2. still1's Avatar
    its safe to install with root(although root will be wiped).

    but i think u need stock recovery to install the update.
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    11-25-2013 03:21 PM
  3. Anthony_NE's Avatar
    Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm certainly no expert.
    Is it safe to install the KitKat OTA if I have root access and TWRP (and unlocked bootloader)? I'm not worried about losing root since I only needed it to restore some things from my old phone, but I don't want to brick my phone with the update.
    On the Moto forums they've reported a large number of bricks from accepting the OTA if rooted.

    Posted via Moto X
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    11-25-2013 05:05 PM
  4. ultravisitor's Avatar
    If you're not running the stock recovery, the OTA won't install.

    Posted via Android Central App
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    11-25-2013 05:08 PM
  5. still1's Avatar
    On the Moto forums they've reported a large number of bricks from accepting the OTA if rooted.

    Posted via Moto X
    can you post the link?? i have never seen anyone bricking the phone, just failed update
    11-25-2013 07:06 PM
  6. Anthony_NE's Avatar
    can you post the link?? i have never seen anyone bricking the phone, just failed update
    It's in the private soak forums. I can't post the link.

    Posted via Moto X
    11-25-2013 07:18 PM
  7. ttenpas's Avatar
    Thanks guys. Guess I have to figure out how to unroot this thing.
    11-26-2013 01:16 PM
  8. ne0ne's Avatar
    When rooting a device I always suggest making a backup prior to rooting. This way you can simply restore the stock ROM, flash stock recovery and be good to go.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    11-27-2013 12:19 AM
  9. ultravisitor's Avatar
    When rooting a device I always suggest making a backup prior to rooting. This way you can simply restore the stock ROM, flash stock recovery and be good to go.
    I gotta say: I'm SO glad I'm out of the ROMming business right now. That crap is tedious.
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    11-27-2013 01:43 AM
  10. ne0ne's Avatar
    I gotta say: I'm SO glad I'm out of the ROMming business right now. That crap is tedious.
    Actually I consider it quite straightforward and super simple. I can take most devices from stock to custom ROM/kernel in 5 min.

    But yeah it can seem overwhelming. Once you get used to it, its cake.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    11-27-2013 06:08 AM
  11. ultravisitor's Avatar
    Actually I consider it quite straightforward and super simple.
    I didn't say it was hard. It is pretty easy. It's just tedious.
    11-27-2013 11:46 AM
  12. Anthony_NE's Avatar
    I didn't say it was hard. It is pretty easy. It's just tedious.
    Agreed. And maybe I'm neurotic but once I root and start fooling around, I always feel like the phone is never as crisp as it was pre-root. That sounds even more ridiculous as I type it.

    Posted via Moto X
    11-27-2013 12:44 PM
  13. ne0ne's Avatar
    Agreed. And maybe I'm neurotic but once I root and start fooling around, I always feel like the phone is never as crisp as it was pre-root. That sounds even more ridiculous as I type it.

    Posted via Moto X
    Yeah. Well you can always revert to a non rooted setup.


    I didn't say it was hard. It is pretty easy. It's just tedious.
    Depending on the phone. Nexus device =

    Adb reboot bootloader
    Fastboot oem unlock
    Fastboot boot recovery.img (perform a backup with stock recovery)
    Fastboot flash recovery twrp.IMG
    (Perform another backup )

    Then flash away whatever ROM,mod ,kernel , etc.

    Done.


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    11-27-2013 01:24 PM
  14. ultravisitor's Avatar
    Depending on the phone. Nexus device =

    Adb reboot bootloader
    Fastboot oem unlock
    Fastboot boot recovery.img (perform a backup with stock recovery)
    Fastboot flash recovery twrp.IMG
    (Perform another backup )

    Then flash away whatever ROM,mod ,kernel , etc.

    Done.
    I've done it before on Nexus devices, thanks. And thanks, too, for posting some of the steps involved and proving that it is tedious.

    With my Moto X, all I have to do is unlock my phone. Sometimes I have to reboot it.
    11-27-2013 01:34 PM
  15. ne0ne's Avatar
    I've done it before on Nexus devices, thanks. And thanks, too, for posting some of the steps involved and proving that it is tedious.

    With my Moto X, all I have to do is unlock my phone. Sometimes I have to reboot it.
    Other than installing drivers & SDK toolkits, those are all the commands involved.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    11-27-2013 01:35 PM
  16. ne0ne's Avatar
    I guess coming from years of Unix systems administration my definition of tedious may differ from that of most. To me, rooting and roming a nexus device is a walk in the park. But again some people don't have a need, so why do it ?

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    11-27-2013 01:37 PM
  17. ultravisitor's Avatar
    Other than installing drivers & SDK toolkits, those are all the commands involved.
    Ahem.

    Then flash away whatever ROM,mod ,kernel , etc.
    And let's not ignore the maintenance involved, either, with the constant flashing of updates/nightlies/milestones/whatever.

    Yes, it gets easier to do the more you get used to it, but at the end of the day, you still have to keep up with all the new developments with the ROM. That ****--flashing, maintenance, etc--all of it is tedious, particularly when compared to running a phone stock. No way around it.
    11-27-2013 01:40 PM
  18. ne0ne's Avatar
    Ahem.



    And let's not ignore the maintenance involved, either, with the constant flashing of updates/nightlies/milestones/whatever.

    Yes, it gets easier to do the more you get used to it, but at the end of the day, you still have to keep up with all the new developments with the ROM. That ****--flashing, maintenance, etc--all of it is tedious, particularly when compared to running a phone stock. No way around it.
    There are several stable Roms out there. In fact , one could easily flash a custom ROM & kernel and never look back. Smart ? No. But hey. I enjoy what's involved.

    For instance, I am using sense 5.5 already on my HTC one. Always fun to be ahead of the game. Although with my moto x, I can't unlock the boot loader and don't Care to root it.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    11-27-2013 01:44 PM
  19. Anthony_NE's Avatar
    I'm just happy to have a phone that I don't feel the need to root. The X is a first for that.

    Posted via Moto X
    11-27-2013 03:03 PM
  20. ne0ne's Avatar
    I'm just happy to have a phone that I don't feel the need to root. The X is a first for that.

    Posted via Moto X
    Same here. I love rooting but don't feel the need for custom roms or kernels on this phone. Tho I do wish I had the ability. No unlockable bootloader on the att variant. Didn't want to spend the extra for the developer edition.

    Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk 2
    11-27-2013 08:23 PM
  21. ne0ne's Avatar
    As far as taking OTA with root, I dont suggest it. Forgot to mention that much.

    Sent from my XT1058 using Tapatalk 2
    11-27-2013 08:28 PM
  22. ttenpas's Avatar
    Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead, but I finally got around to unrooting today. I followed the instructions from here: LINK and everything worked as expected.
    I was worried when I booted into recovery mode and got the red exclamation - didn't realize it required another key combination to actually access the options.
    12-11-2013 01:01 PM

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