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  1. delrey1900's Avatar
    While I fully recognize we don't really know yet...

    It only bums me out because as best it will probably "as good as anything else". They could have engineered in a larger battery and made it potentially fantastic, but instead it seems they took the just enough approach. This is not an area I predicted they would skimp on...

    I guess they wanted it to match the moto 360 *rib*rib*... Too soon?

    Again, how do you know they 'skimped' on the battery? By the capacity? That only tells part of the story. Next time I buy a car, I'm going to compare it's efficiency and range solely on the size of its tank. Doesn't make sense, does it? No, cause the size of the tank only tells part of the story. Until I see some evidence when it's RELEASED, I see no reason for anyone to complain. Hope, yes, but not complain.
    09-08-2014 10:24 PM
  2. ryanr509's Avatar
    Again, how do you know they 'skimped' on the battery? By the capacity? That only tells part of the story. Next time I buy a car, I'm going to compare it's efficiency and range solely on the size of its tank. Doesn't make sense, does it? No, cause the size of the tank only tells part of the story. Until I see some evidence when it's RELEASED, I see no reason for anyone to complain. Hope, yes, but not complain.
    You can make a pretty good educated guess that battery life will be similar to the previous years phone as there hasnt been any significant break throughs in battery life.
    09-08-2014 10:34 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    You can make a pretty good educated guess that battery life will be similar to the previous years phone as there hasnt been any significant break throughs in battery life.
    Other than the difference between the S801 and the S600 and according to the experts, more power efficient screen technologies?
    09-08-2014 10:36 PM
  4. ryanr509's Avatar
    Other than the difference between the S801 and the S600 and according to the experts, more power efficient screen technologies?
    And u think those minor differences are going to make battery life significantly better?
    09-08-2014 10:39 PM
  5. ryanr509's Avatar
    Take something like the s5 to compare since it also uses the 801, has a 1080p super amoled screen which I'm sure will be very similar to the moto x and roughly the same screen size.
    09-08-2014 10:44 PM
  6. delrey1900's Avatar
    You can make a pretty good educated guess that battery life will be similar to the previous years phone as there hasnt been any significant break throughs in battery life.
    Ok, but most battery complaints have been that the battery won't last as long as the OG X. Not exceeding it. So in other words, you're upset (along with quite a few others) that Motorola made a faster and better screened phone with a minimal battery increase, which appears to get about the same battery life as the original X? That's pretty darn good IMO. I do respect peoples opinions, but I don't understand the complaint on the battery until we see evidence. And I have repeated myself quite a bit on this as well.
    09-08-2014 10:46 PM
  7. Aquila's Avatar
    And u think those minor differences are going to make battery life significantly better?
    I don't think the difference between the S600 and the S800 is minor at all. It's not going to double SOT, but it is astounding for standby time which contributes greatly to total battery life for most consumers. The two devices will probably be in the same ballpark, but increasing efficiency and increasing battery size by 9-10% should result in a net increase in an already very solid battery life.
    09-08-2014 10:47 PM
  8. ryanr509's Avatar
    I don't think the difference between the S600 and the S800 is minor at all. It's not going to double SOT, but it is astounding for standby time which contributes greatly to total battery life for most consumers. The two devices will probably be in the same ballpark, but increasing efficiency and increasing battery size by 9-10% should result in a net increase in an already very solid battery life.
    I'm saying I don't think with those minor differences that u can say battery life will be greatly better or worse. I agree upgrading all the things they upgraded and keeping on par or better than the previous model is a good thing. I can't even think about this phone because I need at least 4-5hrs SOT minimum which my s5 barely gets if I'm lucky. I wish more manufactures quit thinking thin is better and there was a few more phones that packed enough juice for us heavy users.
    09-08-2014 10:50 PM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    I'm saying I don't think with those minor differences that u can say battery life will be greatly better or worse. I agree upgrading all the things they upgraded and keeping on par or better than the previous model is a good thing. I can't even think about this phone because I need at least 4-5hrs SOT minimum which my s5 barely gets if I'm lucky. I wish more manufactures quit thinking thin is better and there was a few more phones that packed enough juice for us heavy users.
    I agree I'd like to see much better battery life, but I don't like the idea of just throwing weight at it. I want a smarter solution (although yours is better than no solution) - a solid 20-24 hour device with quick charge and the mini power pack things inexpensively available makes this less of a worry. I think there's a SERIOUS market for the MAXX type devices and I really hope to see that one continued.
    09-08-2014 10:56 PM
  10. delrey1900's Avatar
    Take something like the s5 to compare since it also uses the 801, has a 1080p super amoled screen which I'm sure will be very similar to the moto x and roughly the same screen size.
    From AC S5 review:
    In just over a week of using the device as our daily driver, we've averaged between 13 and 14 hours of heavy use on Wifi and LTE, with between three and four hours of screen-on time. That week was spent performing normal smartphone duties, including web browsing, music streaming the occasional call, and probably heavier photo and video use than we'd normally subject a phone to.
    The original X review has a lot so I won't paste it. Moto X review | Android Central

    We have no idea on the new X yet. So we cannot, I will stress we cannot do a comparison quite yet. So, again my point is we need to wait for real world testing so we can get the facts before we can complain/praise.
    09-08-2014 10:59 PM
  11. ryanr509's Avatar
    I agree I'd like to see much better battery life, but I don't like the idea of just throwing weight at it. I want a smarter solution (although yours is better than no solution) - a solid 20-24 hour device with quick charge and the mini power pack things inexpensively available makes this less of a worry. I think there's a SERIOUS market for the MAXX type devices and I really hope to see that one continued.
    Yep the new maxx if there is one is what I'm waiting for. If not then it'll be the note 4 or whatever has the best battery life of all the phones this year. Doesn't matter how cool your smartphone is if u have to charge it 2 or 3 times a day. Well I believe with all the upgrades the moto x will have a little better battery life. But that depends a lot on how the end user uses his or her phone also.
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    09-08-2014 11:03 PM
  12. Woosh's Avatar
    Yep the new maxx if there is one is what I'm waiting for. If not then it'll be the note 4 or whatever has the best battery life of all the phones this year. Doesn't matter how cool your smartphone is if u have to charge it 2 or 3 times a day. Well I believe with all the upgrades the moto x will have a little better battery life. But that depends a lot on how the end user uses his or her phone also.
    As long as the phone still looks cool with a drained battery then I have no complaints. 😛

    If your only criteria is a battery beast, you might want to look into Huawai Ascend Mate 2.

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    09-08-2014 11:20 PM
  13. ryanr509's Avatar
    As long as the phone still looks cool with a drained battery then I have no complaints. 😛

    If your only criteria is a battery beast, you might want to look into Huawai Ascend Mate 2.

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    Lol. Its not my only criteria but its the biggest one. It has to be on Verizon also which is why I'm holding out for the iPhone 6 and RAZR maxx. So far the note 4 is looking pretty good and the old RAZR maxx, s5 and note 3 are the only phones to live up to my battery expectations.
    09-08-2014 11:29 PM
  14. djw39's Avatar
    If the Moto X antenna really works better than my current phone's, so that it doesn't have to strain for a signal in places where my current phone does, I could experience improved battery life. I don't think I have ever seen any website test for this.
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    09-09-2014 12:46 AM
  15. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Again, how do you know they 'skimped' on the battery? By the capacity? That only tells part of the story. Next time I buy a car, I'm going to compare it's efficiency and range solely on the size of its tank. Doesn't make sense, does it? No, cause the size of the tank only tells part of the story. Until I see some evidence when it's RELEASED, I see no reason for anyone to complain. Hope, yes, but not complain.
    While I agree with you in principle, this is a device made up of standard parts. If it had a fully custom chipset or a new/different screen technology I would completely agree, but it does not. It is a sum of more or less off the shelf parts that have all been in devices before. We can make some pretty reliable estimates. It is still running Android, so optimization will only get you so far.

    The best we can hope for is "as good as everything else". Which will be a feat unto itself sense it has a battery smaller than everything else.

    If I am wrong, I will happily eat my words, but I really doubt that I am wrong.


    And the car analogy falls flat when you consider that you care how you about how much it costs to run the care where in a phone you only care about range sense the compatible energy is so small and cheap.
    09-09-2014 07:27 AM
  16. delrey1900's Avatar
    While I agree with you in principle, this is a device made up of standard parts. If it had a fully custom chipset or a new/different screen technology I would completely agree, but it does not. It is a sum of more or less off the shelf parts that have all been in devices before. We can make some pretty reliable estimates. It is still running Android, so optimization will only get you so far.

    The best we can hope for is "as good as everything else". Which will be a feat unto itself sense it has a battery smaller than everything else.

    If I am wrong, I will happily eat my words, but I really doubt that I am wrong.


    And the car analogy falls flat when you consider that you care how you about how much it costs to run the care where in a phone you only care about range sense the compatible energy is so small and cheap.
    The analogy wasn't for cost. The tank among other things on a car has to do with it's driving range which is the comparison to battery life. It was to prove the type of thinking. As for the stock parts, I can understand but we see battery usage differ from brand to brand when similar stock parts are used.

    I'm not expecting the new X to have the best battery life ever, but I am expecting it to perform better than most are assuming. Just like you, I may eat my words if I'm wrong.
    09-09-2014 07:47 AM
  17. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    Another review: Review: In its second generation, the Moto X becomes a true flagship | Ars Technica

    That battery life benchmark =[

    I know it's been stated ad naseum, but Motorola seriously made a big mistake with the battery size. Will need more reviews to see what happens, and perhaps Android L's battery optimization can help it a bit too, but as of not, I'm really holding back on the new MX cause of the battery, because otherwise, everything else about the device sounds lovely.

    Damn shame.
    09-09-2014 12:56 PM
  18. guesswhat_567's Avatar
    Battery life is not a big downer it says it is better than og moto x .. So it's not bad .. You will easily get through your day with some juice left ..I look at it this way .. It doesn't matter if you have 20% left at the end of the day or 40% you have to charge it over night anyway. I know lot of people will not agree with me ..but the same people will complain about how bulky the phone is and how uncomfortable it is to hold if they try to fit in a bigger battery. Motorola would have to sacrifice in hand feel of they try to put in bigger battery, which seems like still a plus for this device compared to other flag ships inspite of its 5.2 inch display .. It's a trade off they made .. It's the whole package that matters not just single spec.

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    09-09-2014 01:29 PM
  19. On2Vegas's Avatar
    We don't know what kind of signal strength the Droid Life poster had, or if he had any wifi access at all. That said, if you're not seeing great battery life with your current X, then I somehow doubt the new one will offer much improvement. You may just be in an area that has weak signal, and any phone is going to struggle there.
    This is a very good point. Motorola may have addressed this, which may lead to "some" additional power saving:
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    External antenna with Dynamic Tuning (from PhoneArena)

    Alright, so we've already established that when it comes to wireless communication tech, Motorola knows its stuff. To cement this notion, the company has added an external antenna with dynamic tuning (detects how you're holding the phone and decides which part of the antenna to use) that will replace Qualcomm's solution, and provide far better reception.

    On our tour through Motorola's labs in Chicago, a few employees gave us a demonstration -- a Moto X with and without the gizmo. From what we saw, you definitelywant it, as the improvements in power routed to the antenna (and thus, reception) were over 500%.
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    09-09-2014 01:47 PM
  20. Clocks's Avatar
    Another review: Review: In its second generation, the Moto X becomes a true flagship | Ars Technica

    That battery life benchmark =[

    I know it's been stated ad naseum, but Motorola seriously made a big mistake with the battery size. Will need more reviews to see what happens, and perhaps Android L's battery optimization can help it a bit too, but as of not, I'm really holding back on the new MX cause of the battery, because otherwise, everything else about the device sounds lovely.

    Damn shame.
    According to Ars' test the battery in the new moto x lasted 18% longer then last year's model...

    That's a huge ringing endorsement from my perspective. I never had a battery life problem before, if the new X is 18% better that's a heck of a bonus!

    Everyone's usage is different though. I can certainly imagine scenarios where an 18% boost compared to last year still isn't enough for some people.
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    09-09-2014 02:24 PM
  21. oscarnyc's Avatar
    If the early reports hold true of 15-20% more battery than my X I'll probably get the new one. I'm not due for an upgrade till the spring, so hopefully by then the price of the phone and the quick charger come down. Also I want to see how the leather holds up.
    I was interested in the iPhone 6, but it has the same battery life as the 5S, which is similar to the X in my experience.

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    09-09-2014 02:47 PM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    15-20% puts it at 30ish hours. But let's leave that aside.. the battery is 9% bigger. 9% bigger = 20% better battery life? Those screen efficiency and processor improvements are paying off!
    09-09-2014 09:16 PM
  23. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    While I agree with you in principle, this is a device made up of standard parts. If it had a fully custom chipset or a new/different screen technology I would completely agree, but it does not. It is a sum of more or less off the shelf parts that have all been in devices before. We can make some pretty reliable estimates. It is still running Android, so optimization will only get you so far.

    The best we can hope for is "as good as everything else". Which will be a feat unto itself sense it has a battery smaller than everything else.

    If I am wrong, I will happily eat my words, but I really doubt that I am wrong.


    And the car analogy falls flat when you consider that you care how you about how much it costs to run the care where in a phone you only care about range sense the compatible energy is so small and cheap.
    Different software.
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    09-10-2014 04:03 PM
  24. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    15-20% puts it at 30ish hours. But let's leave that aside.. the battery is 9% bigger. 9% bigger = 20% better battery life? Those screen efficiency and processor improvements are paying off!
    And software.
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    09-10-2014 04:04 PM
  25. guesswhat_567's Avatar
    ZDnet reviewer is seeing some good battery life with his moto x. look at his comments on this post.

    https://plus.google.com/+MatthewMill...ts/QJgBzpCUVka
    09-11-2014 08:54 PM
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