12-13-2017 01:09 PM
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  1. john30308's Avatar
    Thought I would share my post from another forum:

    Moto X4. Great phone. I got the Fi version. I've had Nexus 4, 5, 5X and 6P. This phone is right in there. Specifics:

    Screen: great quality, I can't tell any difference in vibrancy, density, clarity, etc. It looks great. Larger than the 5X, smaller than the 6P. It's a great size. It is not as easy to read in full sun as the AMOLED on the 6P.

    Speed: some early reviews were worried about it being slow, or slow to respond to touch, etc. I'm not seeing any of that. It's like butter.

    Camera: again, I almost didn't buy the phone because some early reviews really trashed the camera app as slow and poor. It is not slow at all! I think the whole criticism was fake news - really. I like the phone features. As to quality, to me, it is like all my other Android phones. Good pictures, but not as good as iPhone photography (don't know what it is that Apple does to make their photos so damn good!) My only criticism is no Photosphere. I do use that from time to time. There must be a separate app somewhere that I can get to be able to continue.

    Feel in the hand: Much easier to handle that my 6P, but still a handful. I'm a "no case" guy and the phone is slippery, but so was my 6P when I first got it.

    Look: ehh. It's not bad, but nothing special to look at. Personally, I'm not a fan of the rounded corners and sides. The camera hump doesn't bother me at all. A little thing, but on the screen, the "Home" capacitive button, instead of a single circle, it uses two concentric circles, and I don't like it. I'm sure it will grow on me.

    Calls: great phone! Phone earpiece is louder than my 6P. Handles calls beautifully.

    Fingerprint reader: it's on the front bottom and I was worried I wouldn't like it, but it's a non-issue. I use my two thumbs instead of index fingers. Same - same as 5X or 6P.

    Storage: It only comes in 32G. I have 133 apps installed. 22G used, 10G free. BUT - it has a SD card.

    Software: Motorola did a good job in living up to the Nexus (AndroidOne) spirit. There are only 3 Motorola apps on the phone. One, their Home launcher (got rid of it in a hurry - love Nova). The other I love, which is a notifications app. As your hand goes over the phone when its locked and the screen is dark, it will light up with time, battery strength, etc. Very nicely done and optional. It also has options to stop the phone from ringing after you pick it up but before you answer it, or lay it facedown to put the phone in "do not disturb".

    Overall: to me, it's definitely a major step up from the 5X. It's maybe a little step down from the 6P. But, the price was great, and since BOTH by 5X and 6P were casualties of the bootloop, I wanted to get what I thought was a better built, "tougher" phone - a Motorola. Don't know if that's true, but that's my perception.

    So, no regrets! Love the phone. To me, it's the new Nexus.
    Javier P, ibbyj, Zolti and 1 others like this.
    10-27-2017 12:53 PM
  2. Javier P's Avatar
    Thanks for the review! A question, is one-button nav included in your model? How many options do you get in the Moto Actions?
    10-27-2017 01:00 PM
  3. john30308's Avatar
    Not sure what you mean by on-button nav. Here are the moto actions available on it: quick screenshot, chop twice for flashlight, twist for quick capture, swipe to shrink screen (to make the screen smaller for one-handed use), pick up to stop ringing, flip for do not disturb, approach for moto display. Hope that helps, and thanks for the question. I didn't know there were so many options!
    10-27-2017 03:15 PM
  4. Javier P's Avatar
    The one button nav is a Moto action that hides the navigation bar (home, back and recent apps) and let you use the fingerprint sensor to navigate. I wasn't sure if this option was available on your specific model.
    editguy likes this.
    10-27-2017 03:38 PM
  5. dby2011's Avatar
    How's the headphone jack sound quality?
    editguy likes this.
    10-27-2017 04:33 PM
  6. Ry's Avatar
    Looks like the new Android One is more than the original Android One.
    10-27-2017 08:45 PM
  7. chanchan05's Avatar
    Honestly it's hard to swallow reviews for non flagship phones. It's like they're comparing it to flagships and not the same price range. Of course the camera would be poorer compared to the Note 8, Pixel, iPhone 8, v30, etc. But what about for the rest of the price range? People are looking at that phone because for one reason or another they're not willing to spend upwards of 600USD for a phone. They already know from the start it will be inferior to the flagships.

    I've seen and handled a number of phones bashed by reviewers but end up pretty decent in everyday use.
    editguy likes this.
    10-27-2017 09:18 PM
  8. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Honestly it's hard to swallow reviews for non flagship phones. It's like they're comparing it to flagships and not the same price range. Of course the camera would be poorer compared to the Note 8, Pixel, iPhone 8, v30, etc. But what about for the rest of the price range? People are looking at that phone because for one reason or another they're not willing to spend upwards of 600USD for a phone. They already know from the start it will be inferior to the flagships.

    I've seen and handled a number of phones bashed by reviewers but end up pretty decent in everyday use.
    To add to this....as long as it performs the functions people need, it should be fine.
    editguy and cdubb1 like this.
    10-27-2017 09:22 PM
  9. editguy's Avatar
    Good review. To add something that some people may not know, it has adoptable storage which means that the SD card can be used as if it's internal storage
    10-28-2017 02:39 AM
  10. 1901Madison's Avatar
    Thought I would share my post from another forum:

    Moto X4. Great phone. I got the Fi version. I've had Nexus 4, 5, 5X and 6P. This phone is right in there. Specifics:

    Screen: great quality, I can't tell any difference in vibrancy, density, clarity, etc. It looks great. Larger than the 5X, smaller than the 6P. It's a great size. It is not as easy to read in full sun as the AMOLED on the 6P.

    Speed: some early reviews were worried about it being slow, or slow to respond to touch, etc. I'm not seeing any of that. It's like butter.

    Camera: again, I almost didn't buy the phone because some early reviews really trashed the camera app as slow and poor. It is not slow at all! I think the whole criticism was fake news - really. I like the phone features. As to quality, to me, it is like all my other Android phones. Good pictures, but not as good as iPhone photography (don't know what it is that Apple does to make their photos so damn good!) My only criticism is no Photosphere. I do use that from time to time. There must be a separate app somewhere that I can get to be able to continue.

    Feel in the hand: Much easier to handle that my 6P, but still a handful. I'm a "no case" guy and the phone is slippery, but so was my 6P when I first got it.

    Look: ehh. It's not bad, but nothing special to look at. Personally, I'm not a fan of the rounded corners and sides. The camera hump doesn't bother me at all. A little thing, but on the screen, the "Home" capacitive button, instead of a single circle, it uses two concentric circles, and I don't like it. I'm sure it will grow on me.

    Calls: great phone! Phone earpiece is louder than my 6P. Handles calls beautifully.

    Fingerprint reader: it's on the front bottom and I was worried I wouldn't like it, but it's a non-issue. I use my two thumbs instead of index fingers. Same - same as 5X or 6P.

    Storage: It only comes in 32G. I have 133 apps installed. 22G used, 10G free. BUT - it has a SD card.

    Software: Motorola did a good job in living up to the Nexus (AndroidOne) spirit. There are only 3 Motorola apps on the phone. One, their Home launcher (got rid of it in a hurry - love Nova). The other I love, which is a notifications app. As your hand goes over the phone when its locked and the screen is dark, it will light up with time, battery strength, etc. Very nicely done and optional. It also has options to stop the phone from ringing after you pick it up but before you answer it, or lay it facedown to put the phone in "do not disturb".

    Overall: to me, it's definitely a major step up from the 5X. It's maybe a little step down from the 6P. But, the price was great, and since BOTH by 5X and 6P were casualties of the bootloop, I wanted to get what I thought was a better built, "tougher" phone - a Motorola. Don't know if that's true, but that's my perception.

    So, no regrets! Love the phone. To me, it's the new Nexus.
    Great review! How is battery life on the X4?
    10-28-2017 07:09 AM
  11. allen832008's Avatar
    Can you format a SD as internal storage? So far mine defaults to portable storage and never presents the prompt for internal.
    10-28-2017 09:45 AM
  12. john30308's Avatar
    dby2011
    How's the headphone jack sound quality?

    I'm not fussy about music on earbuds - it's not how I listen to music - so I can't really comment. But in general, it works fine. No different than my other phones. It's loud enough and people hear me fine on calls.
    10-28-2017 10:58 AM
  13. john30308's Avatar
    To the question on battery life. Superb so far. You can imagine the use a NEW phone gets in the early days of ownership. So far, I've finished every day without a recharge no problem. And, it may be obvious, but it fast chargers using the fast charger from my 6P as well as the one that came with the phone. Motorola called it "turbo" charge, not fast charge, so I wasn't sure they would be compatible, but they are.
    Ry likes this.
    10-28-2017 11:02 AM
  14. 1901Madison's Avatar
    To the question on battery life. Superb so far. You can imagine the use a NEW phone gets in the early days of ownership. So far, I've finished every day without a recharge no problem. And, it may be obvious, but it fast chargers using the fast charger from my 6P as well as the one that came with the phone. Motorola called it "turbo" charge, not fast charge, so I wasn't sure they would be compatible, but they are.
    Very nice. I was worried about battery life after the Android Central review, but that's good to hear.
    10-28-2017 02:30 PM
  15. ca_steve's Avatar
    Thanks for the hands on review. I'm curious about outdoor visibility as you say it's worse than the 6P. Is it a brightness issue or glass reflections/coatings? Because, the 6P is reviewed as having max brightness of ~340 nits and the x4 is ~510.
    10-28-2017 04:27 PM
  16. Ry's Avatar
    Can you format a SD as internal storage? So far mine defaults to portable storage and never presents the prompt for internal.
    What SD card are you using?
    10-28-2017 06:00 PM
  17. allen832008's Avatar
    It's a Class 10 Sandisk.
    10-28-2017 06:01 PM
  18. captainkirkw's Avatar
    Thanks for the review. I have ordered the Amazon Exclusive version to give it a try since it is only $329. If the ads really bother me but I like it enough then I will just return it and order the regular unlocked version.
    10-30-2017 04:28 PM
  19. editguy's Avatar
    Thanks for the review. I have ordered the Amazon Exclusive version to give it a try since it is only $329. If the ads really bother me but I like it enough then I will just return it and order the regular unlocked version.
    I think Amazon allows you to pay the difference and get the ads removed.
    10-31-2017 01:54 AM
  20. captainkirkw's Avatar
    I think Amazon allows you to pay the difference and get the ads removed.
    Yeah, I watched a video with this phone showing the ads and it was not as bad as I though. As long as you can delete most of the bloatware then it should be fine. If you pay the difference then you might as well just buy the unlocked version. I did just get a discount offer from Motorola so I have that option if I don't like the Amazon version.
    10-31-2017 10:35 AM
  21. john30308's Avatar
    Thanks for the hands on review. I'm curious about outdoor visibility as you say it's worse than the 6P. Is it a brightness issue or glass reflections/coatings? Because, the 6P is reviewed as having max brightness of ~340 nits and the x4 is ~510.
    My 6P died the "bootloop death" so I can't compare now, but here's what I know. The 6P was so good, I had completely forgotten that outdoor visibility was even an issue with phones, and I live in a bright place and use a boat a lot. It hadn't even crossed my mind for a long time. The first time I used my Moto 4X, the issue popped out front and center. Don't get me wrong, it's not terrible, but you have to shade the phone or turn away from the sun, etc. on bright days. You can read it fine with a little positioning. Hope this helps.
    10-31-2017 09:47 PM
  22. ca_steve's Avatar
    Thanks!
    11-01-2017 09:48 AM
  23. captainkirkw's Avatar
    Instead of doing another full review, as I pretty much feel the same way about the Moto X4 as john30308 does, I will add that I had one issue with my Amazon Exclusive version so I requested a refund and sent it back. Fortunately, my wife had ordered an unlocked one for me from Motorola and it arrived Saturday so I set that one up and I have been using it.

    The issue I had with the Amazon version, and I am sure it was just a problem with that partucular phone as it has not happened with the one from Motorola, was that it would not always charge. I plugged it in Friday morning when I first got it and charged it to about 92% before I started going through the setup since I knew that would tax the battery. The setup went fine and it was only down to about 82% when that was done. I used the phone throughout the day like I would with my current daily, the Moto Z Play, and I didn't need to charge it until Saturday morning around 10:00 am when it got to about 18%.

    I plugged it in and saw the Turbo Power connected message and saw the charging battery icon in the notification section, but when I cam back about an hour later, it was in battery saving mode and was down to 12%. I made sure the plug was in securely, flipped to the battery screen, but it showed that it was not charging. I switched chargers and cables but still got the same results. I then rebooted and charging started working so let it charge up to about 45%, used it for awhile and then wanted to fully charge it to take it out with me for the day. Again, I had the same no charging issue and had to reboot to get it to charge. At that point, I boxed it back up, got the refund started with Amazon, dropped it off at UPS, and set up the one from Motorola.

    No charging issues with it or any other issues so far. It is plenty fast, the build quality is really nice, well except for the thin SIM/Memory card tray, bit other than that I like it as much as I did my 2014 64GB Moto X Pure, which was my daily phone until I wanted super battery life and got the Z Play.

    I got a few compliments on how nice the phone looked, especially in the Sterling Blue color, as one of my friends thought it was stainless steel. The brightness of the screen when using it in bright sunlight is what I would expect since I have had all of the Moto X 's and the Z Play, not great but again, not unexpected. I will wait to comment on battery like once I put it through a few days of typical daily use. I know it will not be like my Z Play, but if it can make it from topping it off in the morning before work and last until I get home, then that will be fine.

    I love the feel of it and will use it naked until my clear Cimo Premium Slim Protective Cover arrives in a few days and then I will see how much extra thickness that ads, but for now the Moto X4 is batrely noticeable in my pockets and while it is kind of slick, I have not had any issues with coming close to having it slide out of my hands.

    I haev enjoyed all of my Moto phones and still have two of the 2013's, one is still brand new, I skipped the 2014 initially and bought the 2015 without even seeing it, which in hind sight was a mistake as it was just a bit too big and top heavy for me to use comfortably. I kept it around as a backup but will be listing it for sale soon as I only used it for a month or so before I luckily caught the 2014 64GB Pure on sale directlt from Motorola. I enjoy the battery life of my Z Play but wanted something smaller to replace my 2014 Moto X and this X4 seems to do that nicely.

    I will follow up with battery life, teh clar case, and anything else that I feel I should mention, sometime later this week.

    I did buy a Samsung Galaxy S8 when it came out and while the screen looked great and it was fast, I cannot get used to the 18:9 aspect ratio and it was so slick that I knew I would end up letting it slip if it I used it for too long without the case, so I sent it back. The phone that I compare everything too for feel and screen size, and this may seem odd to a lot of people, is my LG G Flex 2. That has been my favorite phone as far as in the hand feel, size in my pocket, and overall screen size without much extra bezel. I have a Galaxy Note 4 with a second number that I use as my work phone, and I will sometimes take the micro sim out of it and swap it in the G Flex 2 so I can use it. A 5.5' screen is really the sweet spot for me as long as the overall phone is not too big and I was really hoping that LG would have continued the Flex line.

    Anyway, I am a gadget nut and keep way too many of my old cell phones and tablets, but it is fun to go back and use some of them everyone once in awhile and I am definitely not going to run out of backups.
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    11-05-2017 10:55 PM
  24. captainkirkw's Avatar
    Well, I spoke too soon on the battery charging issue as it happened again this morning. It seems to only do this after quite awhile of inactivity but none the less, I should not have to restart the phone to get it to charge so I will contact Motorola and see what they say. I want to keep the phone but want this little issue fixed.
    11-06-2017 02:17 PM
  25. john30308's Avatar
    Someone had asked about battery life a while back. I've had the phone for almost 2 months now. Battery life is excellent - best of any "Nexus" caliber phone I've had. I easily go all day, using it for work and reading news, YouTube, Xfinity TV, etc. The thing that drains it the most is navigation, but I usually plug it in the car if the trip is more than an hour or so.
    12-12-2017 12:11 PM
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