04-21-2017 07:23 AM
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  1. Mattsg430's Avatar
    I hope the 2017 Z Force or whatever it will be named doesn't have shutter lag/autofocus issues in low light. The camera in the G5 Plus has been getting great reviews with its dual pixel autofocus setup. Maybe Moto is stepping in the right direction with the cameras.
    03-28-2017 01:08 PM
  2. garak0410's Avatar
    I've done a lot of testing with this app compared to the Moto app. In indoor iffy lighting situations sometimes the NX HDR camera app does better than Moto. In outdoor shots with a lot of light it's close to 50-50. Occasionally auto rather than on setting yields better results. I like having both though.
    Thank you for this...good to have options which is why I love Android.
    03-28-2017 03:02 PM
  3. garak0410's Avatar
    I hope the 2017 Z Force or whatever it will be named doesn't have shutter lag/autofocus issues in low light. The camera in the G5 Plus has been getting great reviews with its dual pixel autofocus setup. Maybe Moto is stepping in the right direction with the cameras.
    I do get good photos in low light but the lag is very noticeable for sure. This is why I still hold on to my Pixel, even if I find the Moto Z Force Droid to be the best all round phone.
    03-28-2017 03:04 PM
  4. PowrDroid's Avatar
    I had my family pick out what they thought looked better...I have to say, I leaned Pixel (even if I love my Moto Z Force)...most picked the Z-Force.
    I like the Z-Force shots. They are brighter and clearer. Take a look at the lawn in the outdoors photo. On the Pixel that looks like a drab mat of blobby browns and olive greens. Now look at the Z-Force--green vibrant grass with discernable clumps, and brown areas. I presume these photos were taken within a minute of each other? Otherwise I'd guess the Pixel shot was taken several minutes later, it just looks a lot darker as if the sun has set a bit further.

    Same picture--look at the garage door and the two trucks parked in front of them. The Moto Z-Force is much clearer and crisper. Look at the front door and window over the door of that house. Much better on the Z-Force.

    The picture of the pink coffee mug--I presume it really is kind of a flourescent neon pink and not a drab pink in color. Also look at the bottom area of the mug where the pink transitions into blue. Just more detail and vibrancy there in the Z-Force.
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    03-28-2017 08:29 PM
  5. Mattsg430's Avatar
    I agree. The shots the Z force take are great, it's just annoying as hell when you tap the shutter button and you get that circle icon twisting around with a crescent moon inside of it. Why would I want to wait 3 seconds from the time I tapped the shutter button to get the picture?

    Luckily, taking auto shots in pro mode removes that lag, but would be nice if you could just open the camera app and go.
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    03-28-2017 09:48 PM
  6. doogald's Avatar
    I had my family pick out what they thought looked better...I have to say, I leaned Pixel (even if I love my Moto Z Force)...most picked the Z-Force.
    I have to say that I preferred the Pixel for all of the photos with the dinosaur - the Z Force photos look oversaturated. The cups look about the same. The low light photo, the Z Force looks better. The last one, I prefer the Pixel - look at the window and cabinet in the background - they are washed out in the Z Force. (Though neither of those photos is a good photo, I doubt that you'd find a camera that would take a good photo in that light condition.)

    Thanks for the comparison photos.
    04-01-2017 07:02 AM
  7. benjamminh's Avatar
    You can use the nxcamera app with the Force and it sometimes helps with iffy light indoor shots boosting the dynamic range without blowing out the whites.
    04-01-2017 07:48 PM
  8. garak0410's Avatar
    A few more Pixel XL vs. Moto Z Force...thoughts???

    Pixel XL
    Comparison: Z Force and Pixel XL-pixelxl01.jpg
    Moto Z Force Droid
    Comparison: Z Force and Pixel XL-motoz01.jpg

    Pixel XL
    Comparison: Z Force and Pixel XL-pixelxl02.jpg
    Moto Z Force Droid
    Comparison: Z Force and Pixel XL-motoz02.jpg
    04-05-2017 08:03 PM
  9. benjaminh's Avatar
    Are the Pixel colors more accurate in the shots above?
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    04-05-2017 09:13 PM
  10. garak0410's Avatar
    Are the Pixel colors more accurate in the shots above?
    That's what I'm trying to figure out...I think the Moto over saturates them...
    04-05-2017 09:36 PM
  11. doogald's Avatar
    The only person who can say which looks right on the last one is you, as none of us know what it looks like in real life. There is a lot more orange in the Pixel version; there is a lot more red in the Z Force version. Which one is closer to right?

    I've never seen a terrible towel IRL, so I'm not sure which of those is right (or closer to right), either. If I were to guess, I'd say the Pixel version, but I might be wrong. (Based on this site I'd say Pixel.)
    04-05-2017 11:02 PM
  12. PowrDroid's Avatar
    The only person who can say which looks right on the last one is you, as none of us know what it looks like in real life
    Exactly.

    I've never seen a terrible towel IRL, so I'm not sure which of those is right (or closer to right), either. If I were to guess, I'd say the Pixel version, but I might be wrong. (Based on this site I'd say Pixel.)
    It would be guessing because it depends on the accuracy of the photo on that website and your monitor settings.

    Reminds me of TV commercials for color TV's back in the 80's that, when showing a simulated scene on the TV being advertised, exclaim, "just look at that beautiful picture!" Yeah, well, I'm looking at that beautiful picture on that new Sony Trinitron via my 15 year old 20” RCA television. So I don't really know what it looks like.
    04-06-2017 11:31 PM
  13. garak0410's Avatar
    Exactly.



    It would be guessing because it depends on the accuracy of the photo on that website and your monitor settings.

    Reminds me of TV commercials for color TV's back in the 80's that, when showing a simulated scene on the TV being advertised, exclaim, "just look at that beautiful picture!" Yeah, well, I'm looking at that beautiful picture on that new Sony Trinitron via my 15 year old 20” RCA television. So I don't really know what it looks like.
    Agreed...

    I think I use the Pixel XL more over the Moto Z Force Droid more for the reliability of the camera not so much on quality as I believe the Moto Z can take amazing photos. The random (but more frequent) Camera app quirks just make me nervous on the Moto Z. I'd like to see an update to the Moto Camera app, especially now that the G5 Plus is out and getting decent reviews. Not 100% sure it would fix the problems I have but it can't hurt.
    04-07-2017 09:58 AM
  14. doogald's Avatar
    It would be guessing because it depends on the accuracy of the photo on that website and your monitor settings.
    I'd say educated guessing because I am looking at the photos on the same monitor side by side, and I suspect that the Steelers actual web site will do the best that they can to accurately show the color.
    04-07-2017 11:45 AM
  15. PowrDroid's Avatar
    Color can be fixed in post production. Resolution is forever. Give me the 21 MP Droid Z Force.
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    04-07-2017 12:30 PM
  16. garak0410's Avatar
    Perhaps my last comparison...again, it all depends on how the room looks to our natural eyes...

    Pixel XL
    Comparison: Z Force and Pixel XL-darkroom01.jpg

    Moto Z Force Droid
    Comparison: Z Force and Pixel XL-darkroom02.jpg
    04-20-2017 09:23 AM
  17. mobrules's Avatar
    To me the Force photo of the corner looks better and more realistic.

    I took mine along hiking in the Grand Canyon. Got some great shots. I'll post some later today.
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    04-20-2017 10:32 AM
  18. garak0410's Avatar
    To me the Force photo of the corner looks better and more realistic.

    I took mine along hiking in the Grand Canyon. Got some great shots. I'll post some later today.
    This photo is from my work...the next time I work late, I'll look with my own eyes at how the light looks off the wall to see which one really looks more realistic. I am just so torn between both phones as camera is very, VERY important to me. Nothing can match the speed of the Pixel's camera...period. But the features and battery life along with a still good camera on the Moto Z make me indecisive on what to use daily.
    04-20-2017 10:37 AM
  19. doogald's Avatar
    The Z Force version looks better to me (warmer, which I generally prefer), but, in reality, that is not a good test for photo condition anyway. I can't believe that anybody would want to keep such a photo. It's like trying to decide which phone is better for phone calls by having a test underwater. I guess it'd be interesting if one is better than the other, but hardly a criteria for choosing one over the other. In this case I'd say that both cameras are about equally good at capturing a photo I wouldn't take anyway in really poor lighting conditions.
    04-20-2017 11:39 AM
  20. garak0410's Avatar
    The Z Force version looks better to me (warmer, which I generally prefer), but, in reality, that is not a good test for photo condition anyway. I can't believe that anybody would want to keep such a photo. It's like trying to decide which phone is better for phone calls by having a test underwater. I guess it'd be interesting if one is better than the other, but hardly a criteria for choosing one over the other. In this case I'd say that both cameras are about equally good at capturing a photo I wouldn't take anyway in really poor lighting conditions.
    I wanted to do a true low light example. Since I have a Pixel XL, Moto Z Force Droid and iPhone 7+, I thought it would be time to determine what will be my daily driver for a good while. Camera is most important followed battery life, features and upgrades. It is truly a 50/50 tie between the two (as I don't see myself ever going iPhone.) 32GB is a little tight for me on the Moto Z and while I did use adoptable storage for a while, just didn't trust it and it might have been the cause of some camera errors. I love the Moto Mods (especially batter mod) and water and shatter resistant screen of the Moto Z. I love the speed of the OS and camera on Pixel but it's features are rather bland and it isn't water resistant. Battery life on the Pixel XL is poor when compared to the Moto Z Force.

    Though choice for sure...
    04-20-2017 12:02 PM
  21. Ry's Avatar
    Looks like it comes down to - do you want true color or do you want vibrant? To me, the Moto Z Force Droid photos seem to "pop" more but I suspect the Pixel reproduces colors more accurately.
    04-20-2017 12:59 PM
  22. doogald's Avatar
    I wanted to do a true low light example.
    I get it. I'm more interested in photos of people in low light, or maybe architecture or fine art, as you might find in a church or museum. I'd suggest trying out closer-up photos of the artwork on the walls in those lighting conditions. That would be a good test of real-world use in my opinion.

    Of course it's possible I'm just weird about photography?
    04-20-2017 01:03 PM
  23. Mattsg430's Avatar
    You can tell that the f1.8 aperture on the Z Force definitely let's in more light than the f2.0 on the pixel. Quite a bit more is picked up in the pics from the Z Force that are still too dark to see on the pixel, like the pillows, etc. And I agree with Ry that it pops more. Just wish it focused as fast as the pixel in low light. Can't have it all I guess haha
    04-20-2017 01:18 PM
  24. PowrDroid's Avatar
    Looks to me that the Pixel's white balance is off. Looks like there is a grey tint to the photo.

    The Z Force shot looks "better."

    Would be interesting to know if the lighting fixture has incandescent or CFL light bulbs. If incandescent then the Pixel photo is way off. If CFL, then I would like to know the "warmth" of the wavelength of the lightbulb. If it's around 3000K or lower the Pixel is way off. If it's 3500K or higher the Z Force is off.
    04-20-2017 02:14 PM
  25. doogald's Avatar
    You can tell that the f1.8 aperture on the Z Force definitely let's in more light than the f2.0 on the pixel. Quite a bit more is picked up in the pics from the Z Force that are still too dark to see on the pixel, like the pillows, etc.
    Look at the light on the wall, though. Areas that are washed out on the Z Force are not on the Pixel. For example, you can see all of the detail of the molding just under the lampshade. I'm guessing that there is more a difference in processing algorithms than anything else, because I've noticed that on some other examples in this thread.
    04-20-2017 03:27 PM
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