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  1. evan_adams's Avatar
    Neither have dual front speakers. The Z has a front speaker, and the 10 has a front speaker (tweeter) and a large bottom speaker (woofer). Both have fingerprint scanners at the bottom; the 10 has more top bezel, the Z has more bottom bezel, and the 10 has slightly more side bezel, because it's a smaller device and it can. So it just about balances out, both have about a 72% screen-to-body ratio.
    But the 10 feels heavier. But that was a Z w/O mod vs 10. W/mod or force I dunno.
    08-02-2016 04:09 PM
  2. Veteater's Avatar
    But the 10 feels heavier. But that was a Z w/O mod vs 10. W/mod or force I dunno.
    W/battery mod the Z feels AMAZING in hand, almost to Moto X 2014 levels of good, with the added thickness and curve, and feels like it has a good weight, while not too heavy. I don't know exactly how much weight it adds to the phone. The force is definitely a more girth phone than the Z, and feels heavy in comparison, though it is not particularly heavy either. If you want a flagship Moto but don't care about mods (other than, maybe, style shells) then the Z force is the way to go, and currently one of the best all-round phones on the entire market. The Z is better for someone like me, who wants an extremely thin phone that could be used with Moto mods, and the user can choose between the two. I already have a very powerful bluetooth speaker, and I don't need a projector, so if I get a Z (serious consideration right now) my accessories would simply be a bumper, so the frame of the phone doesn't get all scuffed up, and the battery mod, so that I have a phone with a huge battery that feels good in hand. Price isn't such a big issue since I would simply get a Z on a trade in discount if I were to get one.
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    08-03-2016 04:03 AM
  3. Veteater's Avatar
    W/battery mod the Z feels AMAZING in hand, almost to Moto X 2014 levels of good, with the added thickness and curve, and feels like it has a good weight, while not too heavy. I don't know exactly how much weight it adds to the phone. The force is definitely a more girth phone than the Z, and feels heavy in comparison, though it is not particularly heavy either. If you want a flagship Moto but don't care about mods (other than, maybe, style shells) then the Z force is the way to go, and currently one of the best all-round phones on the entire market. The Z is better for someone like me, who wants an extremely thin phone that could be used with Moto mods, and the user can choose between the two. I already have a very powerful bluetooth speaker, and I don't need a projector, so if I get a Z (serious consideration right now) my accessories would simply be a bumper, so the frame of the phone doesn't get all scuffed up, and the battery mod, so that I have a phone with a huge battery that feels good in hand. Price isn't such a big issue since I would simply get a Z on a trade in discount if I were to get one.
    •SPEAKER TEST•
    OK, so I went back to the Verizon store to resolve service issues I was having with my droid turbo 2; meanwhile, while I waited for them to get to me, I did an audio test between the HTC 10, my Turbo 2, the Moto Z, and the Samsung Galaxy Note 7. I have created a rating scale, consisting of 100 points. 25 for loudness, 20 for clear audio, 25 for bass, and 25 for mids-treble, and an extra 5 thrown in for putting the speaker in the right location.
    *Content utilized for the test:
    Svidden- We Are (EDM/Dubstep)
    Disturbed- Open Your Eyes (Rock)
    LeafyIsHere (Voice/Talking)
    Samsung Galaxy Note 7:
    Loudness 17/25
    Clarity 18/20
    Bass 15/25
    Mid-Treble 22/25
    Location 2/5
    Overall: 73/100...C
    I just wish it were on the front, as it is a good speaker unit. It is well balanced, and while not as loud as the HTC 10 or the Droid Turbo 2, it is clear. Bass was decent, and Mids are where the speaker begins to come alive. Treble was not overly sharp or overly muddy... However, the phone was not at exactly full volume when tested, so I cannot comment on distortion at full blast (it was at 90% volume). Unfortunately, you cannot hear the speaker if you are holding it in landscape because it's n the bottom of the phone. So while a good speaker, it is in the wrong location.
    Moto Z Droid:
    Loudness 16/25
    Clarity 20/20
    Bass 13/25
    Mid-Treble 25/25
    Location 5/5
    Overall: 79/100...C+
    The Moto Z speaker is a good one. And, it is on the front, great for watching movies and playing video games with. However, the speaker is pretty mediocre as far as loudness goes. It is very clear in its sound, and distortion was unnoticed at full blast. Mids and highs were sharp and simply nice to hear on the Z and clearer than those of the Turbo 2, but the speaker lacks bass when compared to the Note 7, HTC 10, and its Droid Turbo 2 predecessor, although the EDM/Dubstep song played did sound decent on the Z, if a bit lackluster on bass. Other audio samples, especially voices, sounded very good on the Z, where bass really isn't required. As long as you don't listen to a ton of Dubstep music or anything that has more than moderate bass levels, the speaker on the Z is a good unit.
    Droid Turbo 2:
    Loudness 20/25
    Clarity 17/20
    Bass 19/25
    Mid-Treble 22/25
    Location 6/5 (EXTRA POINT!)
    Overall: 84/100...B
    The Droid Turbo 2's audio experience is simply enjoyable. No, the dual grilles at the bottom does not mean dual speakers. The right grille is the speaker, and the left is the loudspeaker. The one at the top is the earpiece, in a totally different setup than the Moto Z's "one speaker for all functions" approach. Since the speaker on the Turbo 2 is larger and most likely has more powerful drivers than that of the Moto Z's, the sound is louder and definitely more bass heavy, which can be seen almost instantaneously when the phone is listened to side by side with the Z. Anyway, the amount of bass is very enjoyable and comes in handy when listening to EDM/Dubstep music, or anything bass-heavy. Mids and highs weren't sharp and clear like the Z's; while they were definitely there in full precedence due to the notably balanced sound coming from the Turbo 2, they were a little muddy. I allotted the Turbo 2 the extra location point because although they are both on the front, the speaker at the top of the front is somewhat awkward. If the Turbo 2's speaker had slightly clearer sound (especially in mids and treble) then it would be one of the best (if not the best) single speaker units on the market to date. Definitely a great speaker unit.
    HTC 10:
    Loudness 23/25
    Clarity 20/20
    Bass 20/25
    Mid-Treble 24/25
    Location 6/5 (EXTRA POINT!)
    Overall: 93/100...A
    The HTC 10 simply takes the cake here. It is extremely loud and clear, and basically every point in every audio sample I played was repeated amazingly. There is the tweeter up top, and the woofer on the bottom, for Bass and Mids. Sure, the latter will be covered during gameplay, but the tweeter is decent by itself, though just as advertised, the tweeter is for treble. But the sound experience as a whole was simply amazing, and in my opinion, better than the HTC One M9 before it. If you want a great phone and an audiophile's dream that works on Verizon (I don't think the ZTE Axon 7 does) then the HTC 10 is the phone to beat. End of story.
    08-07-2016 07:15 AM
  4. benjamminh's Avatar
    Would people comment on how fluidly the phone performs? I have read a few people say it's the quickest, most fluid phone they've used. Anandtech's review using all those synthetic tests indicated that the Moto Z/Z Force are probably the fastest Android phones right now (they hadn't tested the Note 7).
    08-07-2016 08:00 AM
  5. 1901Madison's Avatar
    Would people comment on how fluidly the phone performs? I have read a few people say it's the quickest, most fluid phone they've used. Anandtech's review using all those synthetic tests indicated that the Moto Z/Z Force are probably the fastest Android phones right now (they hadn't tested the Note 7).
    I have the Z Force and I have never used a phone this smooth, and that includes the iPhone 6 Plus.
    08-07-2016 09:01 AM
  6. areyes163's Avatar
    Would people comment on how fluidly the phone performs? I have read a few people say it's the quickest, most fluid phone they've used. Anandtech's review using all those synthetic tests indicated that the Moto Z/Z Force are probably the fastest Android phones right now (they hadn't tested the Note 7).
    That has been my experience so far. I have had all the major Flagships minus the G5 and the Axon 7. The Moto Z is definitely the most fluid device I have had so far. The OP3 was very fast but even the Z beats it. Very impressed so far. I haven't tried the Note 7 yet and I am looking forward to what the V20 brings however. I'm undecided if I'll get the next Nexus device also. It has been a pretty good year so far for cell phones. All of them are pretty well done.
    08-07-2016 09:03 AM
  7. cbreze's Avatar
    @Veteater,
    I appreciate your opinion on the Z's speakers. I really appreciate decent sound quality on my phones. Not a headphone guy because I need to hear what's going on around me. I was a bit disappointed with the Z's speaker sound. Kinda lackluster although this was in store. I currently have the MXPE and it sounds great as we know. The speaker mod isn't going to do what I need on a daily basis. It's more of a slap it on in the garage for good tunes while your working on your car type mod IMO. So, I'm hoping my X holds out a bit longer.
    08-07-2016 12:37 PM
  8. Veteater's Avatar
    @Veteater,
    I appreciate your opinion on the Z's speakers. I really appreciate decent sound quality on my phones. Not a headphone guy because I need to hear what's going on around me. I was a bit disappointed with the Z's speaker sound. Kinda lackluster although this was in store. I currently have the MXPE and it sounds great as we know. The speaker mod isn't going to do what I need on a daily basis. It's more of a slap it on in the garage for good tunes while your working on your car type mod IMO. So, I'm hoping my X holds out a bit longer.
    I understand your concern. While the Z droid has a solid front-facing speaker, it is a bit behind the Droid Turbo 2, its predecessor, in audio quality, due to the fact that it is quieter by a bit and lacks bass compared to the Turbo 2, although mids and treble are very good on the Z's speaker. However, when you compare the Z droid to the Moto X Pure, it's no contest. The X Pure wrecks the Z and wrecks the Turbo 2. But then again, it has stereo speakers, and very good ones at that. So obviously the Pure has louder sound, and the sound quality out of it is amazing, and since you are used to a phone with such good audio quality, it makes perfect sense you are disappointed in the Z droid's audio quality, and frankly you should be, coming from a phone with such beastly audio. I have listened to music on a Pure, but have not done a detailed review on one. If I were to do one, the X Pure would probably do about as good in the test as the HTC 10. I would not go for the mod, as much as I like it and as convenient (and nice-sounding) as it is, but I think I'll stick to my Bluetooth speakers. While it is worth it, I wouldn't buy it. It seems to me like you are on Verizon, so my recommendation to you, if you want a phone that matches or beats the audio quality of your X Pure, and is very good at everything else, then I would go for the HTC 10. Right now, it is between the HTC 10 and the Moto Z for me.
    HTC 10
    -LCD display (AMOLED technology gives you more of a "WOW" reaction, but you end up with screen burn-in and ghosting after 6 months-year of use)
    -VERY nice to hold
    -5.2" display
    - Sense UI is somewhat stock-ish but still offers its customization
    -Better camera
    -Better built in battery
    -Audio quality
    Moto Z Droid
    -More unique design
    -Extermely thin
    -AMOLED display gives you that WOW factor
    -Hands down THE FASTEST phone I have ever used
    -Easier-to-use Camera UI
    -AMOLED to stock Android
    -Efficient for what battery it has
    -Capability expansion with Moto mods
    -A little less expensive
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    08-08-2016 12:56 AM
  9. Veteater's Avatar
    @benjaminh They don't need to. The Note 7 has the exact same processor setup as the S7, which is hands-down the slowest SD820 phone out there, even slower in most normal tasks than both my Nexus 6P or Droid Turbo 2.
    08-08-2016 12:16 PM
  10. benjamminh's Avatar
    I just wondered if Samsung might have done some tuning. In one review an updated driver to the gpu was given credit for the Z's performance over other 820 phones.
    08-08-2016 12:33 PM
  11. Veteater's Avatar
    In no way, shape or form. This is the most exceedingly awful outline I've found in a telephone. Does it look terrible, as well as it needs equipment includes that it ought to have.There are more iphones in my family than droids.
    Well taken. However I just have to debunk your point about the phone being gimped in order to sell the mods. While the projector is totally ludicrous tbh, no phone will ever have speakers remotely close to the NHL sound boost speaker available for the phone. There are Bluetooth speakers better than the Z's JBL mod, but the JBL mod is still a good buy. And the battery mod is a no brainer. Very few phones have a 4,820mAh battery or anything remotely close to it, and almost none have a 5,720mAh battery. The camera on the Z is not as good as the S7 but is a little better than, say, the iPhone 6S Plus's rig. The Z force's camera is in the league of the HTC 10 and S7 (not going by DxOMark tbh) so the Hasselblad True Zoom that is upcoming will only add to the experience. So in no way are any of the phones gimped, although neither includes a headphone jack. At least they used the leftover space for a larger battery than what would normally reside in phones of their thickness.
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    08-12-2016 06:16 AM
  12. 1901Madison's Avatar
    Well taken. However I just have to debunk your point about the phone being gimped in order to sell the mods. While the projector is totally ludicrous tbh, no phone will ever have speakers remotely close to the NHL sound boost speaker available for the phone. There are Bluetooth speakers better than the Z's JBL mod, but the JBL mod is still a good buy. And the battery mod is a no brainer. Very few phones have a 4,820mAh battery or anything remotely close to it, and almost none have a 5,720mAh battery. The camera on the Z is not as good as the S7 but is a little better than, say, the iPhone 6S Plus's rig. The Z force's camera is in the league of the HTC 10 and S7 (not going by DxOMark tbh) so the Hasselblad True Zoom that is upcoming will only add to the experience. So in no way are any of the phones gimped, although neither includes a headphone jack. At least they used the leftover space for a larger battery than what would normally reside in phones of their thickness.
    In my opinion, the Z is for people who want to play around with the mods a lot. It's thin and lends itself to adding thick mods. The Z Force is for people who might just want to buy the style mods or maybe on occasion fiddle with the other mods. With its 3500mah battery, the Z Force is an incredible phone on its own, but does get heavy when you add the functional mods.
    08-12-2016 06:25 AM
  13. ggrr8t's Avatar
    •SPEAKER TEST•
    OK, so I went back to the Verizon store to resolve service issues I was having with my droid turbo 2; meanwhile, while I waited for them to get to me, I did an audio test between the HTC 10, my Turbo 2, the Moto Z, and the Samsung Galaxy Note 7. I have created a rating scale, consisting of 100 points. 25 for loudness, 20 for clear audio, 25 for bass, and 25 for mids-treble, and an extra 5 thrown in for putting the speaker in the right location.
    *Content utilized for the test:
    Svidden- We Are (EDM/Dubstep)
    Disturbed- Open Your Eyes (Rock)
    LeafyIsHere (Voice/Talking)
    Samsung Galaxy Note 7:
    Loudness 17/25
    Clarity 18/20
    Bass 15/25
    Mid-Treble 22/25
    Location 2/5
    Overall: 73/100...C
    I just wish it were on the front, as it is a good speaker unit. It is well balanced, and while not as loud as the HTC 10 or the Droid Turbo 2, it is clear. Bass was decent, and Mids are where the speaker begins to come alive. Treble was not overly sharp or overly muddy... However, the phone was not at exactly full volume when tested, so I cannot comment on distortion at full blast (it was at 90% volume). Unfortunately, you cannot hear the speaker if you are holding it in landscape because it's n the bottom of the phone. So while a good speaker, it is in the wrong location.
    Moto Z Droid:
    Loudness 16/25
    Clarity 20/20
    Bass 13/25
    Mid-Treble 25/25
    Location 5/5
    Overall: 79/100...C+
    The Moto Z speaker is a good one. And, it is on the front, great for watching movies and playing video games with. However, the speaker is pretty mediocre as far as loudness goes. It is very clear in its sound, and distortion was unnoticed at full blast. Mids and highs were sharp and simply nice to hear on the Z and clearer than those of the Turbo 2, but the speaker lacks bass when compared to the Note 7, HTC 10, and its Droid Turbo 2 predecessor, although the EDM/Dubstep song played did sound decent on the Z, if a bit lackluster on bass. Other audio samples, especially voices, sounded very good on the Z, where bass really isn't required. As long as you don't listen to a ton of Dubstep music or anything that has more than moderate bass levels, the speaker on the Z is a good unit.
    Droid Turbo 2:
    Loudness 20/25
    Clarity 17/20
    Bass 19/25
    Mid-Treble 22/25
    Location 6/5 (EXTRA POINT!)
    Overall: 84/100...B
    The Droid Turbo 2's audio experience is simply enjoyable. No, the dual grilles at the bottom does not mean dual speakers. The right grille is the speaker, and the left is the loudspeaker. The one at the top is the earpiece, in a totally different setup than the Moto Z's "one speaker for all functions" approach. Since the speaker on the Turbo 2 is larger and most likely has more powerful drivers than that of the Moto Z's, the sound is louder and definitely more bass heavy, which can be seen almost instantaneously when the phone is listened to side by side with the Z. Anyway, the amount of bass is very enjoyable and comes in handy when listening to EDM/Dubstep music, or anything bass-heavy. Mids and highs weren't sharp and clear like the Z's; while they were definitely there in full precedence due to the notably balanced sound coming from the Turbo 2, they were a little muddy. I allotted the Turbo 2 the extra location point because although they are both on the front, the speaker at the top of the front is somewhat awkward. If the Turbo 2's speaker had slightly clearer sound (especially in mids and treble) then it would be one of the best (if not the best) single speaker units on the market to date. Definitely a great speaker unit.
    HTC 10:
    Loudness 23/25
    Clarity 20/20
    Bass 20/25
    Mid-Treble 24/25
    Location 6/5 (EXTRA POINT!)
    Overall: 93/100...A
    The HTC 10 simply takes the cake here. It is extremely loud and clear, and basically every point in every audio sample I played was repeated amazingly. There is the tweeter up top, and the woofer on the bottom, for Bass and Mids. Sure, the latter will be covered during gameplay, but the tweeter is decent by itself, though just as advertised, the tweeter is for treble. But the sound experience as a whole was simply amazing, and in my opinion, better than the HTC One M9 before it. If you want a great phone and an audiophile's dream that works on Verizon (I don't think the ZTE Axon 7 does) then the HTC 10 is the phone to beat. End of story.
    DANG!!! You must have had a long wait.
    08-16-2016 01:09 PM
  14. HowardShap's Avatar
    W/battery mod the Z feels AMAZING in hand, almost to Moto X 2014 levels of good, with the added thickness and curve, and feels like it has a good weight, while not too heavy. I don't know exactly how much weight it adds to the phone. The force is definitely a more girth phone than the Z, and feels heavy in comparison, though it is not particularly heavy either. If you want a flagship Moto but don't care about mods (other than, maybe, style shells) then the Z force is the way to go, and currently one of the best all-round phones on the entire market. The Z is better for someone like me, who wants an extremely thin phone that could be used with Moto mods, and the user can choose between the two. I already have a very powerful bluetooth speaker, and I don't need a projector, so if I get a Z (serious consideration right now) my accessories would simply be a bumper, so the frame of the phone doesn't get all scuffed up, and the battery mod, so that I have a phone with a huge battery that feels good in hand. Price isn't such a big issue since I would simply get a Z on a trade in discount if I were to get one.
    Couldn't agree with you more! That's the exact reason I purchased the Z over the Z Force and I keep the battery mod on all the time. Love it! Also have the Verizon bumper case, and it gives real good grip. Very happy with this setup. Battery life between the two batteries is so good and virtually has me doing more things with my phone without fear of running low. I'm not one who likes to charge it more than once a day.
    08-16-2016 05:25 PM
  15. 1901Madison's Avatar
    Couldn't agree with you more! That's the exact reason I purchased the Z over the Z Force and I keep the battery mod on all the time. Love it! Also have the Verizon bumper case, and it gives real good grip. Very happy with this setup. Battery life between the two batteries is so good and virtually has me doing more things with my phone without fear of running low. I'm not one who likes to charge it more than once a day.
    What kind of battery life are you getting with the Z + battery mod?
    08-16-2016 05:33 PM
  16. Ry's Avatar
    Ultimately, camera reviews kept me from going Moto Z. It's the same 13MP Sony sensor used in the Nexus 6 and third gen Moto G.
    benjamminh likes this.
    08-16-2016 06:07 PM
  17. HowardShap's Avatar
    What kind of battery life are you getting with the Z + battery mod?
    I always charge it at the end of the day, but the battery mod has not gone below 35% and more typically between 50 and 60% after 16+ hours. And the main phone battery still has 80% left, which is where the mod keeps it.

    So if I didn't charge it at all, I'm guessing it would go around 3 days with my current usage, which since it's new the phone is hardly ever out of my hand.
    08-21-2016 02:28 AM
  18. 1901Madison's Avatar
    I always charge it at the end of the day, but the battery mod has not gone below 35% and more typically between 50 and 60% after 16+ hours. And the main phone battery still has 80% left, which is where the mod keeps it.

    So if I didn't charge it at all, I'm guessing it would go around 3 days with my current usage, which since it's new the phone is hardly ever out of my hand.
    That's about the same as what I was doing with the battery mod. Honest question - why do you keep the battery mod on the phone? I'm not trying to be snarky. I've actually debated it was well. I love the feeling of having all that juice and knowing I couldn't kill the battery in one day if I tried, but it makes the phone really heavy and the Force battery is almost a 48 hour battery phone even without the mod.
    08-21-2016 07:25 AM
  19. Ry's Avatar
    Today's about the same as what I was doing with the battery mod. Honest question - why do you keep the battery mod on the phone? I'm not trying to be snarky. I've actually debated it was well. I love the feeling of having all that juice and knowing I couldn't kill the battery in one day if I tried, but it makes the phone really heavy and the Force battery is almost a 48 hour battery phone even without the mod.
    Maybe it's not heavy to them.
    08-21-2016 10:52 AM
  20. HowardShap's Avatar
    Today's about the same as what I was doing with the battery mod. Honest question - why do you keep the battery mod on the phone? I'm not trying to be snarky. I've actually debated it was well. I love the feeling of having all that juice and knowing I couldn't kill the battery in one day if I tried, but it makes the phone really heavy and the Force battery is almost a 48 hour battery phone even without the mod.
    I have the Moto Z, not Z Force. The reason I purchased the thinner one was too use the battery mod with it on a regular basis. As far as weight, it's a little heavier than my Droid 2 by about an ounce, but feels very solid in the hand.
    08-21-2016 12:31 PM
  21. dmark44's Avatar
    Anyone know the total weight of the Z + battery mod? I find this set up intriguing. I can keep the phone light, especially when I carry it while exercising. And then I can have lots of juice when I need it if I'm away from the charger for a while.
    HowardShap likes this.
    08-22-2016 07:52 AM
  22. 1901Madison's Avatar
    I think the Z is 136g and the wireless battery mod 85g, so 221g total.
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    08-22-2016 08:05 AM
  23. helichrysum's Avatar
    I kind of expected a lot more chatter on here from people who have picked up the phone. Not to much going on in the entire Z forum. Maybe not selling that well among the forum tech types.

    The realities of carrier exclusivity. My enthusiasm for this lineup went from 100 to 20 when I learned about the Verizon exclusive. Then from 20 to 0 when I learned about the Force always being strictly Verizon. Seriously questioning the judgement by those who made that decision. Judging by the recent mass layoffs at lenmoto I guess they're questioning it too.
    09-29-2016 04:43 PM
  24. wirelessgal's Avatar
    I kind of expected a lot more chatter on here from people who have picked up the phone. Not to much going on in the entire Z forum. Maybe not selling that well among the forum tech types.
    I was expecting the same as well. I even created a thread to see how many Canadians are getting the Moto Z when it launches and no one replied. I'm posting to myself in that thread. It's a lonely world out there. But honestly what I posted on my thread is true and the Moto Z will be a major flop worldwide if Motorola doesn't drop the price.

    I'm still getting the Moto Z.
    10-02-2016 06:15 AM
  25. 1901Madison's Avatar
    Honestly, if I was Motorola, I'd go all in on the Moto Z Play and just dominate the midrange space. The flagship world is too difficult to own.
    10-02-2016 09:32 AM
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