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  1. Ry's Avatar
    This ^^ Almost every OEM fails in the exact same way, if we can call this failing, but no one gets called out for it but Moto and OnePlus.
    Call 'em all out. If Amadeo isn't as snarky on this with other OEMs, it's just elitist Amadeo being elitist Amadeo.
    07-27-2016 04:40 PM
  2. YAYTech's Avatar
    But sales and marketshare are essentially one in the same. Focus on what the 90% care about rather than the 10%, right?
    Well, the 90% tend to care what others think about their smartphone. Perhaps this new attention to security in the media is going to shift whether people care. Don't want to get made fun of for having that phone the reviewers said was "insecure"...
    07-27-2016 05:05 PM
  3. Ry's Avatar
    Well, the 90% tend to care what others think about their smartphone. Perhaps this new attention to security in the media is going to shift whether people care. Don't want to get made fun of for having that phone the reviewers said was "insecure"...
    Let's see if that happens.
    07-27-2016 05:24 PM
  4. Ry's Avatar
    I'm finding the indigannce over Moto's position on monthly updates really pathetic. People are acting like there's a handful of companies out there who have committed to monthly updates. Fact is there are none except for some nexus phones. It takes three months on average for Verizon to approve software. How the hell do you expect Motorola to commit to a monthly update regime given that restriction alone?? Pick on Samsung or any other hardware manufacturer. It's not just Moto and it is absolutely difficult to commit to merging changes to your custom Android branch every damn month. You critics are just ignorant Ars holes.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Samsung's doing a great job on US carrier phones right now.
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    07-27-2016 05:24 PM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    I'm finding the indigannce over Moto's position on monthly updates really pathetic. People are acting like there's a handful of companies out there who have committed to monthly updates. Fact is there are none except for some nexus phones. It takes three months on average for Verizon to approve software. How the hell do you expect Motorola to commit to a monthly update regime given that restriction alone?? Pick on Samsung or any other hardware manufacturer. It's not just Moto and it is absolutely difficult to commit to merging changes to your custom Android branch every damn month. You critics are just ignorant Ars holes.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Samsung & LG both promised monthly updates. Samsung has been doing it, LG has not. Blackberry has not promised them but has been doing them. HTC never committed, but lately they have been on top of it. Moto never made the promise and is way behind the other OEM's on updates. Moto's position makes sense from their point of view, but their position from a consumer who cares about the security updates is clearly unacceptable.

    There is almost no difficulty involved with merging the changes, it's actually almost the exact same process to how they merge their several times a week AOSP test builds. There are probably resource requirements in testing updates that they don't want to invest in. If that's the case, they're making a judgement call on whether or not our dissatisfaction will cost them more in sales opportunity than it will cost to provide the updates. Since they're selling hardly any phones anyways, and as we've alluded, almost no buyers are buying with security updates as one of their top priorities, they're probably making the right call to be pragmatic. But it is still, again from a security standpoint, completely unacceptable.

    To our other point, almost every OEM is failing in the exact same way and likely for the same reasons. So Moto isn't alone on this, except that Ars Technica called them out - so they need to be fair and call out all the other failures too.
    07-27-2016 05:54 PM
  6. sydneycooper1979's Avatar
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    07-27-2016 06:04 PM
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    07-27-2016 06:05 PM
  8. Mike Dee's Avatar
    This really is a whole lotta nothing to the masses people. You know how many times my parents have fretted about not having updates? Umm, that would be zero total. And they've never had anything happen to their phones. It makes for great forum discussion among a couple hundred people and that's about as far as the concern goes. Just like with the silly hand-wringing over carrier bloat. The masses don't care.
    That could be said for anything then. The masses don't care about amoled or shatter proof screens, wireless charging, app drawers, metal bodies...etc. etc.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    07-27-2016 06:26 PM
  9. Bankz111's Avatar
    My God!!! What's up with this ars teknica website? First it was a downright hate and ridiculous review (even going as far as complaining about dumb things like carrier bloatware on a carrier phone) then came them bringing up security updates like its was some new sliced bread, and worse still, when news started coming that it was a lie, they climb up sorrow city to go fetch some more bad news to report about moto not offering security updates REGULARLY this time. I mean, What? What's next? That Motorola doesn't have a color option in green? even the verge wouldn't even stoop this low.

    It seems they're deliberately working day and night to make sure that Motorola gets some bad press for something almost every other oem is guilty of.

    Even going out of their way to report calamity after another calamity about moto.. Such a pathetic website tbh
    07-27-2016 07:09 PM
  10. Premium1's Avatar
    OS updates and security patches: buy a Nexus.

    Security patches: buy a Nexus or a BlackBerry.

    That's pretty much it.
    Eh Samsung has really stepped it up with security updates lately as well.
    07-27-2016 08:20 PM
  11. benjamminh's Avatar
    ^ Very lately, but true.
    07-27-2016 08:36 PM
  12. Mike Dee's Avatar
    My God!!! What's up with this ars teknica website? First it was a downright hate and ridiculous review (even going as far as complaining about dumb things like carrier bloatware on a carrier phone) then came them bringing up security updates like its was some new sliced bread, and worse still, when news started coming that it was a lie, they climb up sorrow city to go fetch some more bad news to report about moto not offering security updates REGULARLY this time. I mean, What? What's next? That Motorola doesn't have a color option in green? even the verge wouldn't even stoop this low.

    It seems they're deliberately working day and night to make sure that Motorola gets some bad press for something almost every other oem is guilty of.

    Even going out of their way to report calamity after another calamity about moto.. Such a pathetic website tbh
    A review is only valid if positive on a phone you like or own.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    07-27-2016 09:27 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    Eh Samsung has really stepped it up with security updates lately as well.
    Yes - with US carrier models. Have they
    stepped it up with other models?

    Posted via the Android Central App on the Moto X Pure Edition
    07-27-2016 09:48 PM
  14. Premium1's Avatar
    Yes - with US carrier models. Have they
    stepped it up with other models?

    Posted via the Android Central App on the Moto X Pure Edition
    Other than US unlocked models, they really seem to have stepped their game up with security updates, and updates in general.
    07-27-2016 09:58 PM
  15. sharkita's Avatar
    That could be said for anything then. The masses don't care about amoled or shatter proof screens, wireless charging, app drawers, metal bodies...etc. etc.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Maybe not the masses but we phone nerds care. And the masses don't generally buy a new phone every year - unlike some of the phone junkies in these forums (yours truly included).
    07-27-2016 10:37 PM
  16. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Maybe not the masses but we phone nerds care. And the masses don't generally buy a new phone every year - unlike some of the phone junkies in these forums (yours truly included).
    Phone lives matter

    Posted via the Android Central App
    07-27-2016 10:46 PM
  17. Citizen Coyote's Avatar
    My God!!! What's up with this ars teknica website? First it was a downright hate and ridiculous review (even going as far as complaining about dumb things like carrier bloatware on a carrier phone) then came them bringing up security updates like its was some new sliced bread, and worse still, when news started coming that it was a lie, they climb up sorrow city to go fetch some more bad news to report about moto not offering security updates REGULARLY this time. I mean, What? What's next? That Motorola doesn't have a color option in green? even the verge wouldn't even stoop this low.

    It seems they're deliberately working day and night to make sure that Motorola gets some bad press for something almost every other oem is guilty of.

    Even going out of their way to report calamity after another calamity about moto.. Such a pathetic website tbh
    Here's something to remember about Motorola (and Ars' reviews of past Moto phones). Motorola, when they were under Google, made a name for themselves by offering a) a nearly untouched version of Android, b) customization, c) Nexus-like update speed, and d) bang-for-your-buck pricing. Ars reviewers loved these things, and often cited them as compelling reasons to pick up a Moto X over a Samsung Galaxy or LG G series despite Moto's shortcomings with cameras and the like.

    So that brings us to the Z. We have a flagship phone with flagship performance (and a flagship price), but Lenovo is starting to stray from A, has limited B, and completely abandoned C and D. If those were big plusses to a reviewer in the past, I'd be more suspicious if they didn't call those changes out in a recent review.

    Reviews are just informed opinions. Remember the words of The Dude:

    "Well you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
    07-28-2016 11:48 AM
  18. wonderbread's Avatar
    Here's something to remember about Motorola (and Ars' reviews of past Moto phones). Motorola, when they were under Google, made a name for themselves by offering a) a nearly untouched version of Android, b) customization, c) Nexus-like update speed, and d) bang-for-your-buck pricing. Ars reviewers loved these things, and often cited them as compelling reasons to pick up a Moto X over a Samsung Galaxy or LG G series despite Moto's shortcomings with cameras and the like.

    So that brings us to the Z. We have a flagship phone with flagship performance (and a flagship price), but Lenovo is starting to stray from A, has limited B, and completely abandoned C and D. If those were big plusses to a reviewer in the past, I'd be more suspicious if they didn't call those changes out in a recent review.

    Reviews are just informed opinions. Remember the words of The Dude:

    "Well you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
    Ars failed to give that historical context and so they just looked like they had an ax to grind.
    08-03-2016 07:16 PM
  19. Joseph Coates's Avatar
    It has been out for a couple weeks, lets not worry about patches and updates until it becomes an issue. Ars review seemed to be about the only real negative review I read and I was not able to see many of the issues he claimed. Its still fairly stock Android, not as customizable because, well, nearly stock android, no updates needed yet, and yes, I probably overpaid but I'm happy with it.
    08-04-2016 11:43 AM
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