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  1. 928SC's Avatar
    Better info on the 35.8Mb update from the source:

    https://motorola-global-portal.custh...p/30,6720,9277
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    02-23-2015 08:01 PM
  2. maxman1's Avatar
    Better info on the 35.8Mb update from the source:

    https://motorola-global-portal.custh...p/30,6720,9277
    Actually, that's a link to a prior update when Advanced Calling was originally rolled out.
    DatabaseMX and Symthic like this.
    02-23-2015 08:09 PM
  3. mrcraft2u's Avatar
    I downloaded and installed the update this morning and my battery life has since been horrible. I did wipe the system cache when I got home from work and then did a quick charge to bring it up to 80%. 4 hours later with normal use I am down to 30%. Grrrrr!

    Posted via the Android Central App
    02-24-2015 02:38 AM
  4. DatabaseMX's Avatar
    I installed the new update tonight at a Verizon corp store (using their wifi) ... and so far, no significant change in battery life. With my 'normal usage', I'm easily - typically - getting four days - losing approx 25% / day. However, I usually charge at 25-30%.
    02-24-2015 02:51 AM
  5. flipbeats's Avatar
    I installed the new update tonight at a Verizon corp store (using their wifi) ... and so far, no significant change in battery life. With my 'normal usage', I'm easily - typically - getting four days - losing approx 25% / day. However, I usually charge at 25-30%.
    4 days!? That's pretty amazing. Maybe I'm just to heavy of a user. I've felt some heavy battery damage since I've downloaded fb and this other game though..
    02-24-2015 04:57 AM
  6. teeitupmo#WN's Avatar
    Don't let him/her fool you, no one that USES their Turbo gets 4 days of battery life. Only way to get 4 days is if the phone is turned off at times or using Airplane mode often.
    02-24-2015 07:04 AM
  7. Bob Maida's Avatar
    1. Are you happy with your turbo and it's operation?
    2. Do you realize that when you get this update your phone probably will be buggy?
    3 so enjoy your current bug free phone for when you get the update you are going to complain

    Posted via the Android Central App
    02-24-2015 08:03 AM
  8. 88horizon5speed's Avatar
    I can honestly say that I USE my phone and typically get two days, most times 3 days. I always charge my phone when it hits 25%~. I too use about 20-25% per day
    02-24-2015 08:19 AM
  9. teeitupmo#WN's Avatar
    Then you guys are probably like my dad... uses a $1200 computer to play solitaire and look at his Facebook page. :-)
    02-24-2015 09:21 AM
  10. doogald's Avatar
    Seriously, even if you use the battery only 25% per day it's better to charge it daily most of the time and maybe once a week or two bring it down to 25%. Batteries like lots of small charges better than fewer big charges. The battery pack lasts longer when it does a small charge most of the time.

    Battery life with these phones I've found is greatly dependent on signal strength. If you have great mobile signal and use wifi a lot you'll get a lot more battery life than I do, because my mobile signal is weak almost everywhere I stay. It's ironically only when I'm driving around that I get good signal. When I visit family members I get much better battery life than I get at home.
    02-24-2015 10:53 AM
  11. MA2GA28's Avatar
    Then you guys are probably like my dad... uses a $1200 computer to play solitaire and look at his Facebook page. :-)
    DatabaseMX has already admitted to being a light user, with low screen brightness and barely any actual use (has yet to post screen shots though from what I can see). They are also assuming they would get that much if they ran down to 0%. So, that definitely skews their reports on battery life. I'm sure my phone would last the better part of 4+ days if I used it for 15 minutes per day and turned off/down all superfluous settings. But I, like most, enjoy using my phone and am happy with the 40+ hour battery life I typically get (that's just usage time until I charge at ~20%).

    Apologies for the tangent.
    02-24-2015 11:00 AM
  12. teeitupmo#WN's Avatar
    I agree #doogald. The Droid Turbo's 3900mah battery is about allowing the owner to enjoy his/her smartphone the way they want, anytime they want, without having to worry about charging your device throughout the day. And...if on the rare occasion when you need to charge the Turbo before you get home for the day...BOOM, you have the rapid charger that will give you 20℅ more battery in just 15min.

    Its NOT a contest on how long you can stretch out your battery between charges. :-)

    For me, Its simple... charge it over night, wake up in morning, enjoy device with no battery worries. At bedtime, stick it on the wireless charger and start over the next day. I keep the Turbo charger in my laptop backpack in case I need a quick charge.
    02-24-2015 11:05 AM
  13. anon(9228075)'s Avatar
    I agree #doogald. The Droid Turbo's 3900mah battery is about allowing the owner to enjoy his/her smartphone the way they want, anytime they want, without having to worry about charging your device throughout the day. And...if on the rare occasion when you need to charge the Turbo before you get home for the day...BOOM, you have the rapid charger that will give you 20℅ more battery in just 15min.

    Its NOT a contest on how long you can stretch out your battery between charges. :-)

    For me, Its simple... charge it over night, wake up in morning, enjoy device with no battery worries. At bedtime, stick it on the wireless charger and start over the next day. I keep the Turbo charger in my laptop backpack in case I need a quick charge.
    EXACTLY

    Posted via the Android Central App
    02-24-2015 12:39 PM
  14. Davidoo's Avatar
    Call quality is unchanged. Still really bad. /HD calling off again.
    What is the issue you are having about call quality? Unless you are truly using HD calling between two phones that support it you're not going to see much difference with advanced calling.

    Since the first update that supported advanced calling back in December I have not had one dropped call or audio issue with this turned on. This was a big issue for me as I often use data on a call. I did have the occasional delayed voice at the beginning of the call but it appears this update fixed that also. I do have to say that I have very strong 4G signal wherever I have been so I'm sure that helps.
    02-24-2015 02:09 PM
  15. ckelly33's Avatar
    What is the issue you are having about call quality? Unless you are truly using HD calling between two phones that support it you're not going to see much difference with advanced calling.

    Since the first update that supported advanced calling back in December I have not had one dropped call or audio issue with this turned on. This was a big issue for me as I often use data on a call. I did have the occasional delayed voice at the beginning of the call but it appears this update fixed that also. I do have to say that I have very strong 4G signal wherever I have been so I'm sure that helps.
    A "staticky" sound. Doesn't happen with HD calling off (ever) AND the delay that you spoke of. It doesn't matter if it us on a true HD call or not. It is a problem for me either way.

    The call quality issue has been well established as problematic on these forums so I'm not alone. It was rumored that this update fixed the issue but it didn't (which is why it wasn't mentioned in the changelog I suppose).
    02-24-2015 02:23 PM
  16. DatabaseMX's Avatar
    "Don't let him/her fool you, no one that USES their Turbo gets 4 days of battery life. Only way to get 4 days is if the phone is turned off at times or using Airplane mode often."
    Actually bro (or broette) ... I 'use' my phone daily and whether you believe me or not is of no consequence. And for what possible reason would I have to 'fool' anyone (see my smart phone history comment below) ?

    "
    Then you guys are probably like my dad... uses a $1200 computer to play solitaire and look at his Facebook page. :-)"
    Thing is ... I have three laptops, so I am rarely away from a laptop (read: yeah, I need to get a life). So, if I need to stream video, play games (like match.com ha ha) or any other battery sucking activity ... I will probably do it on a laptop. BUT ... it's nice to know that I could ... do it on my super smart phone if desired. So, it's mainly voice/text, open a few apps, check stocks, gNews, etc., and so on. Of course if I start taking pictures or open SigAlert or gMaps etc., then the rate of discharge increases... to be expected.

    "
    Seriously, even if you use the battery only 25% per day it's better to charge it daily most of the time and maybe once a week or two bring it down to 25%. Batteries like lots of small charges better than fewer big charges. The battery pack lasts longer when it does a small charge most of the time. "
    Clearly, there is an endless number of conflicting scenarios on how, when, why (et al) to charge a Lithium Ion battery. Especially "
    Batteries like lots of small charges better than fewer big charges." Many people say just the opposite. Trust me ... I really don't now.

    "
    DatabaseMX has already admitted to being a light user, with low screen brightness and barely any actual use (has yet to post screen shots though from what I can see)."
    Thank you! Screenshots ... so many shots, so little time :-(

    "
    Its NOT a contest on how long you can stretch out your battery between charges. :-)"
    It is a contest ... did you not get the memo ? I thought you had a smart phone :-)

    In the last 12 months, I came up the phone food chain as follows:
    LG EnV Touch - horrible battery life and endless other issues. I had six different units since 2009.
    Nokia Lumia Icon WinPhone - major, well documented 'sudden battery drain' syndrome)
    HTC ONE (M8) WinPhone - much better battery life and w/o issues per se than Icon.
    And finally - as of Dec 2014 ... the Droid Turbo. So ... compared to these other phones, to say I am elated with the Turbo battery life would be the understatement of the year :-)
    And the good news is that ... I am no longer afraid to use my phone full on (like you guys do) - if desired - without fear of sudden rapid battery drain or similar issues, like I was with the phones mentioned above.

    "
    1. Are you happy with your turbo and it's operation?
    2. Do you realize that when you get this update your phone probably will be buggy?
    3 so enjoy your current bug free phone for when you get the update you are going to complain"
    I'm not sure who this was directed at, but if me ... then wow ... you must be some kind of smart phone update visionary?
    And as noted ... I *already* got the 21.44.12 update last night. So far, no ill effects that I can deduce. But, I have not checked everything out yet.


    = = =

    02-24-2015 06:26 PM
  17. doogald's Avatar
    Seriously, even if you use the battery only 25% per day it's better to charge it daily most of the time and maybe once a week or two bring it down to 25%. Batteries like lots of small charges better than fewer big charges. The battery pack lasts longer when it does a small charge most of the time. "[/I]
    Clearly, there is an endless number of conflicting scenarios on how, when, why (et al) to charge a Lithium Ion battery. Especially "[/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Batteries like lots of small charges better than fewer big charges." Many people say just the opposite. Trust me ... I really don't now.
    Battery University, how to prolong lithium-ion based batteries: How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University
    02-24-2015 08:36 PM
  18. DatabaseMX's Avatar
    Battery University, how to prolong lithium-ion based batteries: How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University
    So, the first thing that jumps out at me regarding this article is ... it's almost 4.5 years old, noting the first comment was 10-21-2010! I'm pretty sure a LOT has changed in the Lithium Ion battery world since then.
    Then .. right at the top we have "manufacturers take a conservative approach and specify the life of most Li-ion between 300 and 500 discharge/charge cycles."
    This would seem to debunk the notion that " it's better to charge it daily most of the time and maybe once a week or two bring it down to 25%." ... as that would fast forward the number of charge cycles.

    ===
    02-25-2015 03:03 AM
  19. Murph5150's Avatar
    Seriously, even if you use the battery only 25% per day it's better to charge it daily most of the time and maybe once a week or two bring it down to 25%. Batteries like lots of small charges better than fewer big charges. The battery pack lasts longer when it does a small charge most of the time.

    Battery life with these phones I've found is greatly dependent on signal strength. If you have great mobile signal and use wifi a lot you'll get a lot more battery life than I do, because my mobile signal is weak almost everywhere I stay. It's ironically only when I'm driving around that I get good signal. When I visit family members I get much better battery life than I get at home.
    Lithium ion batteries are supposed to not require conditioning or cycle maintenance.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    02-25-2015 06:48 AM
  20. doogald's Avatar
    So, the first thing that jumps out at me regarding this article is ... it's almost 4.5 years old, noting the first comment was 10-21-2010! I'm pretty sure a LOT has changed in the Lithium Ion battery world since then.
    Then .. right at the top we have "manufacturers take a conservative approach and specify the life of most Li-ion between 300 and 500 discharge/charge cycles."
    This would seem to debunk the notion that " it's better to charge it daily most of the time and maybe once a week or two bring it down to 25%." ... as that would fast forward the number of charge cycles.

    ===
    Yes, it's an old article. However, nothing has changed about the chemistry of lithium ion batteries at all.

    A charge cycle is when a total of 100% charging has happened. So, when you discharge to 25% four times and do a full charge, you've done three charge cycles. If in the same time you've discharged down to 75% and charged to 100% twelve times, that's still three charge cycles. (12 times 1/4 charge is 3 cycles.)

    And what the research shows in that article is that frequent small charges make the battery pack last for more total charge cycles before the battery pack has degraded when it will no longer hold a useful charge.

    Nicad and other older battery technologies used to have a "memory effect", where a physical coating would block full discharge of the battery if you discharged and charged to a similar, non full discharge every time. That's why people think it's better to use a battery as much as possible - they are remembering problems with older battery technologies. Again, as I said, it turns out that lithium ion does not have that problem and that long term battery use is better with more frequent smaller charges.

    OK, all that said - if you are only draining the battery 25% per day, you'll be fine. You hardly use the battery anyway so by the time you notice worse battery life (it will drain, say, 40 per day with the same usage, because capacity is reduced) you'll be ready for a new phone upgrade anyway.
    02-25-2015 06:53 AM
  21. DatabaseMX's Avatar
    "nothing has changed about the chemistry of lithium ion batteries at all."
    Well the chemistry may have not changed, but the technology in how the chemistry is used may have changed.

    "
    A charge cycle is when a total of 100% charging has happened.
    So, when you discharge to 25% four times and do a full charge, you've done three charge cycles.
    If in the same time you've discharged down to 75% and charged to 100% twelve times, that's still three charge cycles. (12 times 1/4 charge is 3 cycles.) "


    Guess I'm not following your math.
    100% >> 75% then recharging to 100% ... daily in my case would be 365 charge cycles in a year.
    100% >> 25% then recharging to 100% - every 3 days would be approx 122 charges cycles in a year.
    Based on the article ....
    :the life of most Li-ion between 300 and 500 discharge/charge cycles." ...
    waiting until it gets down to 25% to do a recharge cycle is going to result in a low fewer cycles per year. I'm certainly not an expert in this subject nor am I saying you are wrong, but as noted already - I've seen several other articles / posts that state to not continually recharge.

    " because capacity is reduced) you'll be ready for a new phone upgrade anyway."

    Actually, that's the scam of non-replaceable batteries - forcing you to upgrade (no doubt costing you some $$$) every 1-2 years or so - because the battery is worn out. That's BS. As it is right now, I would have no problem keeping this Turbo for 3-4 years. But that won't happen because it's unlikely the battery will last that long :-(
    02-25-2015 02:16 PM
  22. Davidoo's Avatar
    I saw an article (I think on this forum somewhere) that it is actually not that big of a deal to replace the battery in the Turbo. Just not quite as easy as popping the back off of older devices with the pop off door.
    02-25-2015 04:34 PM
  23. doogald's Avatar
    Guess I'm not following your math.
    100% >> 75% then recharging to 100% ... daily in my case would be 365 charge cycles in a year.
    You've used 25% of the battery when you've used the phone from full charge to 75%, so charging back to full is 1/4 of a charge cycle. In 365 days, that's about 91 charge cycles.

    100% >> 25% then recharging to 100% - every 3 days would be approx 122 charges cycles in a year.
    No. Each charge from 25% to full charge is 3/4 of a charge cycle. So, that's still the same 91 charge cycles in a year.

    But, as that battery university article suggests, when the battery is regularly given higher charges (like from 0 to 100 one time rather than from 75 to 100 four times), it ends up with fewer charge cycles over its lifetime. So, again, lithium ion batteries respond better when they are charged smaller amounts more frequently.

    Remember - a charge cycle is not the number of times you plug it in. A full charge cycle is when you have cumulatively charged a total of 100%. That's two charges from 50% to 100%, or charging from 65 to 90 four times, or charge from 25 to 100 once and 75 to 100 once.
    02-25-2015 05:11 PM
  24. DatabaseMX's Avatar
    "Remember - a charge cycle is not the number of times you plug it in. A full charge cycle is when you have cumulatively charged a total of 100%."
    I see.
    For due diligence, we should find a couple of other articles on the subject that collaborate the Battery University findings. I will look around.
    02-25-2015 06:09 PM
  25. davejavu_31's Avatar
    Has anyone put any consideration into how to account for using your phone while charging, as far as how this affects counting the charging cycles?

    Posted via the Android Central App
    02-25-2015 06:51 PM
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